Glory of the Emerald Empire (Legend of the 5 Rings Quest)

10 Koku does sound a bit too much to be honest. In addition a recommendation letter might still not be a bad idea as long as we word it very carefully.
 
[x] Give them 10 koku for provisions until the winter
-[x] "Here. You may have 10 koku, of my personal funds. If you are reasonably frugal, that should provide you enough supplies to make it to winter by itself - and thus allow you to spend the intervening time in training and study, so as to better meet the foe. I would not wish my own actions to in any way prevent you from being at your best when you assault our mutual enemy."
[x] Offer some advice.
-[x] Provide advice on the Nezumi, and any general shadowlands tips we can think of that they might find useful - particularly any that aren't just general knowledge.
-[x] Mention anywhere we can think of of that they could go (and who to talk to there) that might offer employment with the clan, opportunities to learn about the shadowlands before they head out into it, or both.
-[x] Try to keep it relatively brief. Everyone here has been roused from slumber, and everyone here has things to do tomorrow.


eh, going with tiny squid, since he knows the game better than I do.
 
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[] Offer them 10 koku for provisions until the winter
-[] Provide Nezumi advice and general shadowlands information
-[] Offer them any information that would give them better chances of surviving until and completing the Twenty Goblin Winter that isn't a clan secret or otherwise something that we shouldn't tell them.


Think of this as a placeholder vote until Sirocco gets on, because I'm basically votifying his suggestions.

Edit: because Sirocco
[x] Give them 10 koku for provisions until the winter
-[x] "Here. You may have 10 koku, of my personal funds. If you are reasonably frugal, that should provide you enough supplies to make it to winter by itself - and thus allow you to spend the intervening time in training and study, so as to better meet the foe. I would not wish my own actions to in any way prevent you from being at your best when you assault our mutual enemy."
[x] Offer some advice.
-[x] Provide advice on the Nezumi, and any general shadowlands tips we can think of that they might find useful - particularly any that aren't just general knowledge.
-[x] Mention anywhere we can think of of that they could go (and who to talk to there) that might offer employment with the clan, opportunities to learn about the shadowlands before they head out into it, or both.
-[x] Try to keep it relatively brief. Everyone here has been roused from slumber, and everyone here has things to do tomorrow.
 
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[X] offer him 5? koku to...escort you and your party to the next village.
[X] upon arrival, give him a letter of recommendation, if his behavior warrants it

I think Dirtnap has the right idea.

A koku should be enough to feed a man for a year, particularly if Rokugan is true to real life in that rice was reserved for the upper classes. Offering them 5 koku should be enough to see them through the winter. Better still, we venture little on their reliability, while still retaining the option of recommending them if they prove reliable.

Might also be useful as a chance to share stories of the empire at large.
 
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Could you give a bit more feedback on "how much is 10 koku vs 5 in this case, anyway"? I'd rather give him more than just the bare minimum to survive (virtue of benevolence and all that) and I'd also the context shift on his side for "I am clearly giving you more than my word strictly requires" so that he has at least something to be grateful for. At the same time, I don't want to just dump a huge chunk of cash on him. I've not found any price lists online to compare with. I suppose we could make it another etiquette check (on etiquette of gift-giving and other benevolences) if you want.

[x] Give them 10 koku for provisions until the winter
-[x] "Here. You may have 10 koku, of my personal funds. If you are reasonably frugal, that should provide you enough supplies to make it to winter by itself - and thus allow you to spend the intervening time in training and study, so as to better meet the foe. I would not wish my own actions to in any way prevent you from being at your best when you assault our mutual enemy."
[x] Offer some advice.
-[x] Provide advice on the Nezumi, and any general shadowlands tips we can think of that they might find useful - particularly any that aren't just general knowledge.
-[x] Mention anywhere we can think of of that they could go (and who to talk to there) that might offer employment with the clan, opportunities to learn about the shadowlands before they head out into it, or both.
-[x] Try to keep it relatively brief. Everyone here has been roused from slumber, and everyone here has things to do tomorrow.

[X] offer him 5? koku to...escort you and your party to the next village.
[X] upon arrival, give him a letter of recommendation, if his behavior warrants it

I think Dirtnap has the right idea.

A koku should be enough to feed a man for a year, particularly if Rokugan is true to real life in that rice was reserved for the upper classes. Offering them 5 koku should be enough to see them through the winter. Better still, we venture little on their reliability, while still retaining the option of recommending them if they prove reliable.

Might also be useful as a chance to share stories of the empire at large.
Rice is what everyone eats. It's the staple food for this part of the world, as was the case historically, in similar parts of the world. For the poor, rice is the thing you get your calories from, and then you also have to eat some other (more expensive) foods if you want to avoid malnutrition.
Also, we don't *want* his team escorting us to the next village. We want to be clear of them as soon as we can be. We'd rather not be driven to dishonorable actions through fury, after all. Also, I suspect that Goro-sama might not desire their company.

edit: vote tweaked based on GM feedback. Probable final version.
 
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[x] Give them 10 koku for provisions until the winter
-[x] "Here. You may have 10 koku, of my personal funds. If you are reasonably frugal, that should provide you enough supplies to make it to winter by itself - and thus allow you to spend the intervening time in training and study, so as to better meet the foe. I would not wish my own actions to in any way prevent you from being at your best when you assault our mutual enemy."
[x] Offer some advice.
-[x] Provide advice on the Nezumi, and any general shadowlands tips we can think of that they might find useful - particularly any that aren't just general knowledge.
-[x] Mention anywhere we can think of of that they could go (and who to talk to there) that might offer employment with the clan, opportunities to learn about the shadowlands before they head out into it, or both.
-[x] Try to keep it relatively brief. Everyone here has been roused from slumber, and everyone here has things to do tomorrow.
 
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Let me put it this way. One Koku, if truly spent on nothing but food and other basic necessities, could supply one man with decent food for about three months. It could be stretched to cover a little less than half a year if the person decided to eat lesser quality, but still nutritious, fare. It's not a small sum of money by any means. It only seems such because Samurai often spend their money on high quality art and other well crafted goods.
 
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Rice is what everyone eats. It's the staple food for this part of the world, as was the case historically, in similar parts of the world. For the poor, rice is the thing you get your calories from, and then you also have to eat some other (more expensive) foods if you want to avoid malnutrition.

It is and it isn't.

Japanese peasants grew a lot of rice, but also ate a lot of millet. Part of it was because of high taxation, but part of it was because rice could be put to other, more interesting uses. As a general rule, poorer peasants are going to eat a much higher ratio of millet to rice compared to their more prosperous counterparts.

Also, we don't *want* his team escorting us to the next village. We want to be clear of them as soon as we can be. We'd rather not be driven to dishonorable actions through fury, after all. Also, I suspect that Goro-sama might not desire their company.

Fair enough.
 
Let me put it this way. One Koku, if truly spent on nothing but food and other necessary supplies, could supply one man with decent food for a little over three months. It could be stretched to cover about half a year if the person decided to eat lesser quality, but still nutritious, fare. It's not a small sum of money by any means. It only seems such because Samurai often spend their money on high quality art and other well crafted goods.

Great. How many months from now until winter?
I went digging, and I didn't see anywhere that the season was mentioned. (We're a year and a half since our Gempukku, but I didn't see the season mentioned there, either.)

Japanese peasants grew a lot of rice, but also ate a lot of millet. Part of it was because of high taxation, but part of it was because rice could be put to other, more interesting uses. As a general rule, poorer peasants are going to eat a much higher ratio of millet to rice compared to their more prosperous counterparts.
Fair enough - and not something I'd known, so thanks for the insight. At the same time, there's a notable difference between "what the more prosperous peasants tend to eat by default" and "reserved for the upper classes"
 
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[x] Give them 10 koku for provisions until the winter
-[x] "Here. You may have 10 koku, of my personal funds. If you are reasonably frugal, that should provide you enough supplies to make it to winter by itself - and thus allow you to spend the intervening time in training and study, so as to better meet the foe. I would not wish my own actions to in any way prevent you from being at your best when you assault our mutual enemy."
[x] Offer some advice.
-[x] Provide advice on the Nezumi, and any general shadowlands tips we can think of that they might find useful - particularly any that aren't just general knowledge.
-[x] Mention anywhere we can think of of that they could go (and who to talk to there) that might offer employment with the clan, opportunities to learn about the shadowlands before they head out into it, or both.
-[x] Try to keep it relatively brief. Everyone here has been roused from slumber, and everyone here has things to do tomorrow.
 
[x] Give them 10 koku for provisions until the winter
-[x] "Here. You may have 10 koku, of my personal funds. If you are reasonably frugal, that should provide you enough supplies to make it to winter by itself - and thus allow you to spend the intervening time in training and study, so as to better meet the foe. I would not wish my own actions to in any way prevent you from being at your best when you assault our mutual enemy."
[x] Offer some advice.
-[x] Provide advice on the Nezumi, and any general shadowlands tips we can think of that they might find useful - particularly any that aren't just general knowledge.
-[x] Mention anywhere we can think of of that they could go (and who to talk to there) that might offer employment with the clan, opportunities to learn about the shadowlands before they head out into it, or both.
-[x] Try to keep it relatively brief. Everyone here has been roused from slumber, and everyone here has things to do tomorrow.
 
Got distracted by RL dammit! :S

[x] Give them 10 koku for provisions until the winter
-[x] "Here. You may have 10 koku, of my personal funds. If you are reasonably frugal, that should provide you enough supplies to make it to winter by itself - and thus allow you to spend the intervening time in training and study, so as to better meet the foe. I would not wish my own actions to in any way prevent you from being at your best when you assault our mutual enemy."
[x] Offer some advice.
-[x] Provide advice on the Nezumi, and any general shadowlands tips we can think of that they might find useful - particularly any that aren't just general knowledge.
-[x] Mention anywhere we can think of of that they could go (and who to talk to there) that might offer employment with the clan, opportunities to learn about the shadowlands before they head out into it, or both.
-[x] Try to keep it relatively brief. Everyone here has been roused from slumber, and everyone here has things to do tomorrow.
 
I'm a bit wary of spending 10 koku on these people given that we have 50 for a year. Unless we get some income from somewhere we will have to survive on 40 for 6 months. Given that there are probably a lot of quest opportunities to come that will require money, we should probably be careful on how we spend it. That being said, I don't think we could win against 5 samurai, even with the two ashigaru as allies. As there appear no other good options I'll vote for the plan.

[x] Give them 10 koku for provisions until the winter
-[x] "Here. You may have 10 koku, of my personal funds. If you are reasonably frugal, that should provide you enough supplies to make it to winter by itself - and thus allow you to spend the intervening time in training and study, so as to better meet the foe. I would not wish my own actions to in any way prevent you from being at your best when you assault our mutual enemy."
[x] Offer some advice.
-[x] Provide advice on the Nezumi, and any general shadowlands tips we can think of that they might find useful - particularly any that aren't just general knowledge.
-[x] Mention anywhere we can think of of that they could go (and who to talk to there) that might offer employment with the clan, opportunities to learn about the shadowlands before they head out into it, or both.
-[x] Try to keep it relatively brief. Everyone here has been roused from slumber, and everyone here has things to do tomorrow.
 
I'm a bit wary of spending 10 koku on these people given that we have 50 for a year. Unless we get some income from somewhere we will have to survive on 40 for 6 months. Given that there are probably a lot of quest opportunities to come that will require money, we should probably be careful on how we spend it.
Yeah - I'll admit that it's not best. At the same time, the way I see Sousuke ICly, his "opposing Jikogu" karma is important to him. He really doesn't want there to be any chance that he be the reason that these ronin fail their attempt at the 20 goblin winter... and he was taught that Compassion was one of the virtues of Bushido. Also, as you've noted, giving them this much does significantly reduce the chance that this will descend into violence.
 
Yeah - I'll admit that it's not best. At the same time, the way I see Sousuke ICly, his "opposing Jikogu" karma is important to him. He really doesn't want there to be any chance that he be the reason that these ronin fail their attempt at the 20 goblin winter... and he was taught that Compassion was one of the virtues of Bushido. Also, as you've noted, giving them this much does significantly reduce the chance that this will descend into violence.

I guess. Lets just be more careful about questing in the future. Also, if we can make some money in the future without being dishonorable we should look into it. Not sure if that's a thing, but I would imagine that side-quests would occasionally pay out in actual cash.
 
I guess. Lets just be more careful about questing in the future. Also, if we can make some money in the future without being dishonorable we should look into it. Not sure if that's a thing, but I would imagine that side-quests would occasionally pay out in actual cash.
OOCly, totally with you on that one. ICly? Well, we're not Yasuki - which means that as far as I can see, money basically comes in one of three ways. We get our stipend for personal upkeep, we might get an assignment that included an explicit purse to assist in the assignment, and there's the faint possibility of receiving cash as a gift. There is also the very real possibility of either of the latter two being *way* more trouble than their worth.

Actually, I'm not really sure what the Rokugani take on looting dishonorable-but-not-tainted foes is with respect to samurai. For example - if we get ambushed without justification en route to the Dragon, and manage to kill our attackers (not entirely implausible) what sorts of actions would be appropriate? Honestly, given that our leader is a Yasuki, I suspect that it might be something like "Give all of their stuff to the boss, and let him handle it." but I'm curious as to how we ought to handle it in those cases where we don't have a Yasuki conveniently at hand.

Hmmm... In the great body of the Crab, the Yasuki takes the part of the mouth, and the stomach - to talk, and to eat, that in digesting, food might be provided to all of the other parts.
 
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[x] Sirrocco


You reach behind you and pull out your coin purse. Digging through, always keeping your eyes on the Ronin, you feel out ten Koku. The heavy coins have some real weight in your hand, and clink a bit as you move. You open your palm to Tarumo as you put your purse away, and then toss the coins to the side.

"I have found myself without need of certain things," you say. "And so I have tossed them away. But perhaps another who finds these objects could get use of them. With that they might, perhaps, have all the supplies they need to last till winter, and thus have more time to train and study to fight against our mutual enemy."

You scowl as Tarumo's face lights up, but at least this way you have avoided the direct shame of handing money over to the man. Directly engaging in commerce of any kind is something to be avoided if possible, to be handled in a roundabout manner. To publicly engage in it… That would be shameful.

The Crab are more lenient on some things than the other Clans, and money is one of them. Even still, it is best to leave direct money handling to the Yasuki. If you've the chance to mitigate the act of money changing hands, you will take it. Especially since this man has been so annoying already.

"Yes," Tarumo says, grinning. Two of his men go to collect the Koku. "I think someone could indeed make use of what you have discarded."

"As well," you say. "I offer advice. Do not take the head of any Nezumi, the Ratlings, during the Twenty Goblin Winter. They are allies, and you would be slain on return of their heads. Furthermore, trust no plant life in the Shadowlands. No doubt you already know to be wary of the creatures there, but the foliage is no less deadly. Also be sure to drink no water, for it is as Tainted as everything else in that place."

"Interesting advice," Tarumo says. "I didn't know any Nezumi still lived in the Shadowlands. Certainly didn't think anything actually grew there."

"If you wish to expand your knowledge," you continue as if Tarumo had not spoken. "And further your training in service to the Clan you wish to join, then go to any of the Crab barracks and present yourselves. If you are humble, and state your intentions clearly, chances are good you can find work."

Tarumo nods. "Thank you, Hiruma-san. I was wondering how best to go about exactly that. I didn't think it would be as easy as just approaching one of the barracks."

"We are a practical people in many ways," you respond. "And we always could use more men to fight the Shadowlands. Now, I believe we are done here?"

"I think so," Tarumo says. He bows to you, just as deep a before. Which is to say, not as deep a he likely should, but not so much a to be a blatant insult. "A good night to you, Hiruma Sosuke-san."

"And to you," you say with a short bow back. Then you turn and walk away. You are glad to do so, before there is more opportunity for Tarumo to anger you.

You enjoy the breeze a little as you walk, happy to be done with that whole ordeal. It felt too much like bargaining for your comfort, and that isn't something you feel you are suited for. That is best left for those with the temperament and the skill for such things. As it is, things came dangerously close to insults you could not let stand. It is fortunate that events did not come to that point.

Soon enough the Ronin camp is nothing but a faint light in the distance, but you still have a ways yet to walk before you return to your own camp. But the time it has taken just to walk this distance has let your anger cool, and you are already looking forward to getting some proper sleep. The Ashigaru keep pace with you, staying just a few steps behind.

"Odious man," Jinbei says, glancing over his shoulder at the now distant light of the Ronin's campfire. He turns his head to the side and spits.

"To show Hiruma-sama such disrespect," Hoshi says. "I wanted to gut him right there, the way he presumed so!"

"He is lacking in manners," you say to the Ashigaru. "But he also wishes to fight the Shadowlands. I'll grant him some leeway for that."

"A you say, Hiruma-sama," Jinbei responds.

Any further conversation halts as the Kitsune appears in front of you, her tails alight with a pale blue flame. The wave behind her, a sign of her anticipation, and she looks up at you with hopeful eyes.

"The pendant," she says, her voice soft yet determined all the same. "You have retrieved it?"

[] Write in.
 
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You reach behind you and pull out your coin purse. Digging through, away keeping your eyes on the Ronin, you feel out ten Koku. The heavy coins have some real weight in your hand, and clink a bit as you move. You open your palm to Tarumo as you put your purse away, and then toss the coins to the side.

"I have found myself without need of certain things," you say. "And so I have tossed them away. But perhaps another who finds these objects could get use of them. With that they might, perhaps, have all the supplies they need to last till winter, and thus have more time to train and study to fight against our mutual enemy."

Awesome. Pure awesome. Thank you.

[] "I have."
[] Fish it out and hand it over.
[] As you are handing it over, "Now that I have retrieved for you your necklace, may I ask of you a boon, kitsune-sama?"
[] Assuming that se agrees to hear our request...
- [] "This evening, working on your behalf, I have referred to you a number of times as a spirit-ally of the Crab Clan. I ask that you make of this a true thing - that you work to harm and hinder those of jikogu and the shadowlands, and aid and assist those that oppose them, as the opportunity presents, and your rules and other obligations permit.

edit: changed vote later.

It's hard to say whether or not she deserves the "sama" here... but being extra-respectful to spirits seems like a generally good idea.

Also, I know that this is more or less what I'd want to ask, but I suspect that the phrasing could be better. Anyone who has a better way to say more or less the same thing, I'd love to hear it. For that matter, I'm not *sure* this is the best route... if nothing else, it might start to go all weird if it turns out that we are the reincarnated monk.

Actually, this calls for an etiquette check. We don't know a whole lot about spirits (and the ones we do know about are various forms of the enemy), but we can at least start with what we do know. If this were, say, a phoenix or crane courtier who had about one more point in status than we did, and we had performed for them a similar favor, would it be acceptable to request a specific boon in this way, or would that just be boorish?
 
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