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- Australia
They're the same thing.
Fragmentation (Original Superhero Setting)
- Thread starter Alivaril
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Jirachi47 You have a pretty good idea there, but we don't need to be constantly confrontational. I think Projenitor just isn't that creative, not that he's trying to troll or limit us. Maybe even simplify it more:
[] A post-cognitive effect and a probability database on common object useage.
-[] Something like Google Maps for how to use things in common ways without injury.
IC Reasoning: This allows Skye to understand that 99.85% of the time using a fork is completely safe, when used in a particular way (as well as how to use a fork, and why a fork is ineffective on soup)…
OOC: …and it will allow Skye to learn deadpan humor. ("Statistically, I find that forks are most dangerous when inserted into the nose")
[] A post-cognitive effect and a probability database on common object useage.
-[] Something like Google Maps for how to use things in common ways without injury.
IC Reasoning: This allows Skye to understand that 99.85% of the time using a fork is completely safe, when used in a particular way (as well as how to use a fork, and why a fork is ineffective on soup)…
OOC: …and it will allow Skye to learn deadpan humor. ("Statistically, I find that forks are most dangerous when inserted into the nose")
Kai Merah
Hound Hearted Hedonist
- Location
- Somewhere in the corners of my imagination
From what I can understand, the "safety sense" was a kind of precog showing an intended course of action and assuring Skye of its safety.
By 'danger sense', I'm talking no real precog, no 'visions of the future', just a warning blare whenever something dangerous is about to happen. With the 'noise' being louder or softer depending on the immediacy/severity of the danger.
- Location
- Australia
How is the power supposed to know something dangerous is about to happen without precog?
Kai Merah
Hound Hearted Hedonist
- Location
- Somewhere in the corners of my imagination
Because I consider that kind of danger sense more like "awareness of present extrapolating future" more than genuine precog with specific visions of what will happen to her. Like, even if Skye isn't aware of it, if her power notices someone aiming a sniper rifle at her, that's obviously dangerous. If the person starts depressing the trigger, that ramps from "danger" to "HOLY FUCK DUCK!". Or if, for example, Skye is consuming unhealthy levels of alcohol (and mom's upgrades don't take care of that for some reason), then there could be a low, throbbing warning of danger sense in a general "if you keep drinking, you're not going to like it", which might fade if Skye drinks a lot of water or something. Similarly, if Skye is walking into a trap, the danger sense could ramp up the closer she gets to the trap, but fade if she backs away from it.
Precog isn't necessary in these situations, just awareness of the present. It doesn't say "this will definitely happen", it just goes "this is a dangerous situation, tread carefully", and only goes definitively "GET OUT NOW" if the danger is literally imminent.
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- Australia
@Kai Merah
That is similar to the below suggestion. The 'ability to tell how hot something is' is effectively the same as the 'ability to tell how cold something is' likewise there is no meaningful distinction between the ability to sense danger and the ability to sense safety. I also suspect smart extrapolation is how existing precog powers work (which is why they have to sentient and take so long to make) otherwise Progenitor would have suggested it and used it before now.
That is similar to the below suggestion. The 'ability to tell how hot something is' is effectively the same as the 'ability to tell how cold something is' likewise there is no meaningful distinction between the ability to sense danger and the ability to sense safety. I also suspect smart extrapolation is how existing precog powers work (which is why they have to sentient and take so long to make) otherwise Progenitor would have suggested it and used it before now.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
You're both missing the the point. Skye's uncertainty was manifesting as fear; she needed something that approximated the help you'd give to someone with an anxiety problem. The "safety sense" wasn't there to be used for actual danger. It was there to give her a button she could hammer on as an anchor during her equivalent of a panic attack, something that'd go "You're safe" and "It won't hurt you" and "Everything will be fine" over and over in almost any imaginable circumstance. The intent was never to give her a way to see danger everywhere - and the framing absolutely does matter in this context - nor was it to give her a tool that'd be useful in combat. The intent was to help her not freak out about forks and staying up late to watch TV and laughing (or not laughing) at jokes.
edit: This is also why invulnerability may not suffice as a replacement. There are plenty of things that Skye can worry about in this vein that invulnerability wouldn't help with - paperwork, all sorts of social anxiety, social faux pas, choosing which classes to attend, that kind of thing.
edit: This is also why invulnerability may not suffice as a replacement. There are plenty of things that Skye can worry about in this vein that invulnerability wouldn't help with - paperwork, all sorts of social anxiety, social faux pas, choosing which classes to attend, that kind of thing.
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- Somewhere.
[X] The intent of safety sense is to basically reassure her it's not the apocalypse. Can you do something like that?
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- Australia
Progenitor offered to provide
I don't like the idea of rewriting memories like that but we can
[X] Ask for Skye to get the appropriate general knowledge and social skills for her age. Progenitor can give her the ones she would have gotten if she grew up with, copy ours, let her pick up knowledge from people around her or something else (without rewriting her memories). It should be like a strong intuition and should come with an awareness of what comes from the Progenitor pack and what doesn't.
That should fix her fish out of water problems.
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Well, if what we really want for Skye is emotional assurance could we not have that included in the invulnerability? Like a sort of instinctive assessment of the energy density/potential of things/space around her and how it would interact with her invulnerablility. In terms of absolute effectiveness we aren't capable of thinking up something better than what's already included, we just need to counteract the instinctive response of "this could hurt me" being wrong.
Also, if we want to try and expand that to every other situation where she may feel anxiety, maybe some sort of instinctive social modelling package? I.e. something to let her know what is common or expected in assorted situations.
Also, if we want to try and expand that to every other situation where she may feel anxiety, maybe some sort of instinctive social modelling package? I.e. something to let her know what is common or expected in assorted situations.
Obloquy
CrossMyHeart And HopeToDie, StickANeedleInMyEye
- Location
- the Physical Realm
Loving this story/Quest/World a lot. It's been how long in-story, and not much 'activity' has happened, and yet so much has happened and been revealed and-!
It's great.
With all the robotics and technology, there should be some cyborgs extant in this world, so using the magic equivalent of a cyborg's internet connection shouldn't be insanely complex for him to replicate.
[X] Write-in - Because this is being sprung on them so suddenly, give Skye a voucher for redeeming her IOU at a later date after she's had time and can think about it. Best of all from Progenitor's POV, if it's like a book that she can write a request in, he can review that request at his leisure and get around to it when he has time (the twins arguing it doesn't have to be granted immediately if it's in a week/month or so should make him more ameniable)
It's great.
[X] Make more arguments in support of the postcog.
Have the post-cog manifest like a mental text box of information like she just ran a google search on whatever she's wondering about, and increase her mental reading speed so she can process it in less than two seconds.
It's simpler than a raw data download, uses a pre-existing and easy to comprehend format instead of him making it up from scratch, and she can even have the wiki links effect to chain search related concepts.With all the robotics and technology, there should be some cyborgs extant in this world, so using the magic equivalent of a cyborg's internet connection shouldn't be insanely complex for him to replicate.
[X] Write-in - Because this is being sprung on them so suddenly, give Skye a voucher for redeeming her IOU at a later date after she's had time and can think about it. Best of all from Progenitor's POV, if it's like a book that she can write a request in, he can review that request at his leisure and get around to it when he has time (the twins arguing it doesn't have to be granted immediately if it's in a week/month or so should make him more ameniable)
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To be fair to Skye here forks can be pretty dangerous things to stick in your mouth. In fact I was actually pretty concerned about forks in my teenage years. Admittedly I was on anti-asthma drugs that caused random muscle spasms, I've since switched to new better ones, so sticking a fork in my mouth was a legitimately dangerous activity but it's not an entirely irrational fear.
Postcognition Delays:
The issue with Postcognition isn't the seek time (IE: how long it takes to find relevant scene) since the most relevant bits of the past (IE: Eve and Celos' lives) can be pre-computed and indexed for rapid searching. The issue is actually viewing the recordings since even with a 15:1 temporal acceleration a minute long reference memory will take four seconds which is a fairly awkward and noticeable pause in conversation.
One possible way of dealing with this would be to enable Skye to use her Postcognition while sleeping. Obviously it would be a willing/toggled ability but experiencing other people's lives through your dreams is a fairly classic method of coming to understand them. This would help Skye feel that she's part of the family, since she'd learn all the important bits, without the issues of just inserting the memories into her mind or the lag time of looking up relevant memories on demand.
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- United Kingdom
What about a predictive power, rather than a precognitive. Something that takes current available data and compares it to current intended action. The more often such an action has failed in the past, the more it warns?
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- Somewhere.
So Alivaril said that Skye lost brainpower in being not Sentinel. We should fix that.
[X] Push for more things.
-[X] The intent of safety sense is to basically reassure her it's not the apocalypse. Can you do something like that?
-[X] Briefly explain that Skye isn't scared of just physical damage or restraint. Is there something else he can suggest?
-[X] Skye lost a lot of brainpower in her incarnation. We want that back. She shouldn't have to be crippled forever for her freedom.
-[X] Postcog with a time requirement would be completely fine as long as it's either running "in parallel" to her, or running very fast, or both. "Trancing" for meaningful durations would be problematic.
-[X] Push the IOU
[X] Push for more things.
-[X] The intent of safety sense is to basically reassure her it's not the apocalypse. Can you do something like that?
-[X] Briefly explain that Skye isn't scared of just physical damage or restraint. Is there something else he can suggest?
-[X] Skye lost a lot of brainpower in her incarnation. We want that back. She shouldn't have to be crippled forever for her freedom.
-[X] Postcog with a time requirement would be completely fine as long as it's either running "in parallel" to her, or running very fast, or both. "Trancing" for meaningful durations would be problematic.
-[X] Push the IOU
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- Somewhere.
Adding.
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
- Location
- Your nightmares.
...Reasoning?
[x] TheBiggerFish
Because apparently it's good enough for the two main vote-builders on this particular topic, and I trust them.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Whoops, thank you for the reminder.
[x] TheBiggerFish
So we're looking for alternative solutions for the "helping her feel safe" bit, which we do by explaining basically what I posted there and asking for input. Then we put some effort into searching for the right level speedup for the postcog. Finally, if no other hiccups, move on to the IOU.
Huh? What did I miss?
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- A single human dimension
- Pronouns
- She/Her
1: I believe @TheBiggerFish is including emotional damage.
2: As per an IC question I may have forgotten to repost here, Skye had more processing/thought speed as Sentinel. She doesn't particularly mind the loss (possibly yet), but she wouldn't be opposed to extra processing.
This entire sequence is absolutely hilarious. They've blown past 'genre savvy' into blatant genre manipulation. I love it.
@Alivaril: Skye really needs an entry on the character sheet.
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