I understand wanting to avoid rings actually, considering how almost every single KHR fic involves them somehow it would most likely end up like a re-hash of the same thing. I'm not entirely sure what kind of jewelry would work best for her though. Maybe there is a tinker who can grow specially made gems into new and interesting forms? I find the idea of Taylor with a weapon made out of a massive gem to be oddly entertaining, and with Lightning flames she doesn't even need to worry about breaking it most of the time!
 
I look at sky flames interactions with other flames as primarily an enhancer. So yes wrath flames would be heavily storm influenced sky. I'm less certain about what to do with sky flames as a standalone. Depending on what interpretation people go by it's either the most broken flame or it's just having a lot more power to throw at things, disregarding the zero point breakthrough anyway. But I have time to think on that still before it comes up.

Also, the Manga implies that Sky Flame 'Harmonization' property is why most Sky characters are Mafia Bosses. Namely, they are able to 'balance' the disparate personalities of their underlings and lead them effectively.

Good job on the fic, by the way. It's so hard to find good KHR fic in the net that's not just rehashes or Mary-Sue Insert. Keep up the good work.
 
I understand wanting to avoid rings actually, considering how almost every single KHR fic involves them somehow it would most likely end up like a re-hash of the same thing. I'm not entirely sure what kind of jewelry would work best for her though. Maybe there is a tinker who can grow specially made gems into new and interesting forms? I find the idea of Taylor with a weapon made out of a massive gem to be oddly entertaining, and with Lightning flames she doesn't even need to worry about breaking it most of the time!
Maybe something similar to the light of galadriel of Eltariel in Shadow of War
 
Fencer.

For a damn amazing interpretation of Flames I would recommend you read Russian Roulette: Reloaded by Vixen Tail. It goes really deep into flame properties. Everything from purity and density, to how an inverted flame functions, effects flames have on personality, and even goes into things like the rings by looking at how different gems handle certain flames better then other based on cut, polish, size, type, flame purity and density.
Also goes into the different effects the flames produce.


Oh one of the interpretations I have run across for Sky Flames was that they are a balanced mix of all other flame types. So something like Xanxus Rage flames is a Sky with unbalance amounts of Storm flames. Zero Point Break through on the other hand I have read interpretations for it where it a heavy Rainy Sky flame thing or Just a new flame all together (example we got Sky flames and Earth Flames, so maybe Zero Point Break though is some weird Earth Flame mix, or it is something like Ocean flames. Since there is no reason to think that if there is Sky and Earth that Ocean would not also be represented).

P.S. Also looking forward to more really enjoyed reading what is up so far. There are not enough Hitman Reborn/Worm crossovers and it was such a nice surprise to find this.
 
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One nitpick I have on looking back on this a bit is the amount of thinker power seemingly thrown at a new bank robber in Brockton Bay. The protectorate think tank is not that powerful, tends to give vague general answers, and has a lot more important situations then a nonviolent bank robbery in one of the most violent US cities. In the main story they only figured out Grue did more then Generic Darkness by word of the wards trapped in it. The fact they guesses Taylor's eye was a projection, that the ravens were entirely thematic, that she also had control over the solidity, and was also limited on how many she could view through in the same time... this is the type of information Tattletale might guess, if she was there in person. Not a group of far weaker thinkers going by secondhand reports and footage.
Unless it's a Contessa plot. Or a Ziz plot. Then it works.

On the subject of rings/foci , I would rather she just train up her power on her own. Her power is different from KHR flames, at least in the method of using, that throwing a focus in seems weird.
 
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One nitpick I have on looking back on this a bit is the amount of thinker power seemingly thrown at a new bank robber in Brockton Bay. The protectorate think tank is not that powerful, tends to give vague general answers, and has a lot more important situations then a nonviolent bank robbery in one of the most violent US cities. In the main story they only figured out Grue did more then Generic Darkness by word of the wards trapped in it. The fact they guesses Taylor's eye was a projection, that the ravens were entirely thematic, that she also had control over the solidity, and was also limited on how many she could view through in the same time... this is the type of information Tattletale might guess, if she was there in person. Not a group of far weaker thinkers going by secondhand reports and footage.
Unless it's a Contessa plot. Or a Ziz plot. Then it works.

On the subject of rings/foci , I would rather she just train up her power on her own. Her power is different from KHR flames, at least in the method of using, that throwing a focus in seems weird.
Honestly you could get a good deal of the information they did with just a skilled attentive video annalist watching the wards video feeds as they tried and failed to swat the birds out of the air. Thatalone would give away the selective solidity. The rest is kind of easy to guess given she made a super raven and a spear as well, not to mention the report they still have from lung about insect swarms. Which is the other big point this isn't just some girl who robbed a bank this is the girl who's first apearance was to smack down Lung. That get's her a higher priority right there.
 
Honestly you could get a good deal of the information they did with just a skilled attentive video annalist watching the wards video feeds as they tried and failed to swat the birds out of the air. Thatalone would give away the selective solidity. The rest is kind of easy to guess given she made a super raven and a spear as well, not to mention the report they still have from lung about insect swarms. Which is the other big point this isn't just some girl who robbed a bank this is the girl who's first apearance was to smack down Lung. That get's her a higher priority right there.
Also, there's probably a portion of the Think Tank that's dedicated to sorting the priority order of requests that come in.
 
Honestly you could get a good deal of the information they did with just a skilled attentive video annalist watching the wards video feeds as they tried and failed to swat the birds out of the air. Thatalone would give away the selective solidity. The rest is kind of easy to guess given she made a super raven and a spear as well, not to mention the report they still have from lung about insect swarms. Which is the other big point this isn't just some girl who robbed a bank this is the girl who's first apearance was to smack down Lung. That get's her a higher priority right there.

Eh, the 'her eyes are a projection', 'she can only see through a few at a time' are not readily visible, and the rest works if the PRT is Hypercompotent to a degree they haven't shown before.

I could probably find more problems, involving how they jumped Taylor at hioke, but Injust want to see more cool dying will flame Powers. Maximum SOD go!
 
The idea of her finding flame reactive gems is something I'm playing with and will try to fit in somewhere. Though I sort of want her to use anything but rings just because.

You could say that gemstones that fit in rings are not large enough to have a reaction to her powers that is usable at her current skill level. Then you could have her make a chest piece, a pectoral or something like that. Turquoise would be a good fit, with pieces available from jeweler/crafters that she can build up --or just swipe something from an Egyptian or Aztec museum display.

Note: Not trying to get the folks that know the setting up in arms over non-canon jewels, just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. Could even be something cheap and easy like Goldstone (glass with copper fragments suspended in it)

Leading to her filling a Kevlar vest with thousands of individual gem earrings pinned through it...
 
You could say that gemstones that fit in rings are not large enough to have a reaction to her powers that is usable at her current skill level. Then you could have her make a chest piece, a pectoral or something like that. Turquoise would be a good fit, with pieces available from jeweler/crafters that she can build up --or just swipe something from an Egyptian or Aztec museum display.

Note: Not trying to get the folks that know the setting up in arms over non-canon jewels, just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. Could even be something cheap and easy like Goldstone (glass with copper fragments suspended in it)

Leading to her filling a Kevlar vest with thousands of individual gem earrings pinned through it...
That seems like overkill. I was leaning towards a choker
 
I do wonder is it possible when she unlocks every flame will she try to grow herself a new eye? It seems like it will be a thing that Taylor will try to do when given the power that allows the small possibility to do so.
 
I do wonder is it possible when she unlocks every flame will she try to grow herself a new eye? It seems like it will be a thing that Taylor will try to do when given the power that allows the small possibility to do so.
I hadn't considered that. Going to have to think on it. Flames are bullshit but I've don't remember them pulling off anything quite that delicate and major.
 
I hadn't considered that. Going to have to think on it. Flames are bullshit but I've don't remember them pulling off anything quite that delicate and major.
I just saying it might be something she would try to do not that it could be possible. Especially, since Flames aren't really explain that well in the series. For all we know it could be possible to do so it just that you need to combine many Flame types together.

Or you could use something like a glass eye that will work with her Flames to replace her lost one.
 
Well, you've certainly managed to grab my attention with this story! Looking forward to more.

Also, as someone who is slowly making their own emergency bag, some of this does resonate. :p
 
Have no idea about anime crossover part. Really, I thought it was an original power and it is fine!

You have a knack of writing original plot in a familiar setting, @Fencer. I really like the driving idea behind Taylor's actions and the way she sold that idea to Danny.

On the other hand, Protectorate actions just scream of poor planning and lack of thought. Do they really think someone who almost killed Lung and displayed a great degree of self restraint in the bank could be so easily folded? Even worse, they managed to completely fail to think about possible complications with Shadow Stalker identity being known, which would be entirely enough for Danny to throw them out without any other attempts from Taylor.

Please add link here to your FF story, I found it there and knew you post your stories to SV too so I had to dig it out myself.
 
Have no idea about anime crossover part. Really, I thought it was an original power and it is fine!
Please add link here to your FF story, I found it there and knew you post your stories to SV too so I had to dig it out myself.
nope didn't think the power up on my own. the manga it comes from is.... it's ok. comedy to stereotypical anime combat, but the magic system (flames) are very cool and diverse. Though the better fanfics are what you want to check out to for the real creative and interesting uses.

I'm not really clear on why you want the link to the ff.net version, and I apologize if you have been looking for awhile because I only cross posted it here last week, but sure here you go. https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13042230/1/Flames
 
I remember the manga got crazy by introducing more Flames type when it didn't really to do so since it has seven Flames with various abilities. If it wanted to have more plot then it should've expanded more on the seven Flames and how they could be combine to become more stronger then it was individually.

The seven earth flames could've be something of a combination stemming from a experiment of some sort to make new stronger flames. And the eighth flame could be something that was around but not mention often since it energy that only the wrathful dead use in order to manifest in the living world.

Just rambling on how that adding more flame types all of a sudden in series just didn't make sense to do so cause it already has seven good flames that it could've expanded on.
 
Don't think I'm ready to dive in another fanfiction hell now, so I'll pass on that suggestion but thanks :)

I'm not really clear on why you want the link to the ff.net version, and I apologize if you have been looking for awhile because I only cross posted it here last week, but sure here you go. https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13042230/1/Flames
It's the other way round: I found Flames on FF and had to search it on SB and then SV.
 
Don't think I'm ready to dive in another fanfiction hell now, so I'll pass on that suggestion but thanks :)


It's the other way round: I found Flames on FF and had to search it on SB and then SV.
Ahhh yeah.... can't do much of anything about that. One of the quirks of ff.net is that it eats web addresses even if you pm them to people.

Edit: you can break them up and let people piece them back together but given how most people ignore authors notes anyway I just never thought to bother.
 
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At the rate she's going, how long before Bakuda gets slapped with a kill order?

Will it be the unwilling human bombers or will it be her holding the city hostage?

Canon never even gave her a Kill Order when they found out she was freaking holding people hostage and doing full-on Bonesaw level wetware and installing bombs in them. There's a great fic on SB called Meta that gives a few examples of the really high-end shit she could potentially pull given time and effort. It's also all PHO posts due to in-universe reactions from reading Worm. Hilarious to read, but also very frightening/very serious when you take the time to think about it.

I've found that fanfic's generally tend to have the more interesting interpretations and ideas about using the flames. Particularly Black Sky, and to a lesser extent but still worth mentioning for the sheer quality of the story, The Sky That Accepts All.

Frankly, you may know more about the flames than me! I haven't watched or read the series, all I know comes from a fanfic I picked up. That said, it had some pretty good stuff on inverted and normal flames, so check it out! Its called "Russian Roulette: Reloaded" by Vixen Tail. She did one of my favorite Naruto works, and her talent and effort really shows in her writing.

While I could never get into her Naruto OC, I can definitely back up the rec for Russian Roulette(She added the "Reloaded" bit when she decided to split up the story into 2). RR and Black Sky* are the two best fics I have found for exploring and explaining Flame types(And that I'm willing to stand by). Of course, Ryuugi also posted his own thoughts here or on SB on KHR Flames and he's generally pretty insightful, so there might be something to pull from that.

Lightning is fun in my mind because it's the only clearly defensive element, because of it's hardening capability. That said it's also electricity. Attack and defense, it's the element of a defender, the protector to me. And now Taylor has something to defend, kids. so she's starting to tap into it.

I wonder, will she have Flame assisted ADHD? Lightnings seem to process things faster than others due to the fact that their nerves can fire faster thanks to their Flame type and it's also thematic that lightning moves fast. Stream of consciousness would be the way to go I should think if you want to showcase her mental state when using Lightning Flames. That or her mind making leaps left, right, and center with little rhyme or reason simply because we can't keep up. Basically, I kinda imagine the best version of a Lightning to be Bartholomew Oobleck from RWBY.

I look at sky flames interactions with other flames as primarily an enhancer. So yes wrath flames would be heavily storm influenced sky. I'm less certain about what to do with sky flames as a standalone. Depending on what interpretation people go by it's either the most broken flame or it's just having a lot more power to throw at things, disregarding the zero point breakthrough anyway. But I have time to think on that still before it comes up.

The idea of her finding flame reactive gems is something I'm playing with and will try to fit in somewhere. Though I sort of want her to use anything but rings just because.

Sky Flames as a Standalone would probably be Hyper Intuition. Seriously, I don't buy the "It's Vongola only!" crap, it sounds more like something every Sky user should have access too. The Vongola were simply the first to notice it/first to name it/first to shamelessly take advantage of it or something. I'd imagine Sky Flames harmonize the users senses and instincts in-tune with their environment(And thus, people and that includes non-Flame users. Flame users just feel more inclined to listen to a Sky due to the subconscious effect from Flame interaction more so than a non-Flame user would. Basically, charismatic with non-Flames, super charismatic with Flames) which allows them to be able to pull off a Spidey sense and be able to "read" an opponents reactions without much experience that you'd get from fighting in tons of battles over the course of your life. Sky Flames are also said to be the purest of Flames, but what that actually does/achieves is left unexplored...so it could be anything, but most fics I have read explain it as a way for them to connect with damn near any "grade" of ring or jewelry that can manifest flames.

As for "power", I believe that power is dependent on several factors, but mainly relies on 2 rather obvious factors. Your body and your will. If your body isn't up to whatever standard the Mafia deems as acceptable(Which is never actually stated in canon and Tsuna didn't start packing on the muscle/abs(Nor did most mafiosos seem to be all that muscular or anything, though I blame it on the author/artist's drawing style and wanting Shounen pretty boys), so I'd say reasonably fit/athletic in some way), then it could potentially break down from the stress of using/manifesting your Flames because you can physically get tired from using them. You can also make up for a little physical deficiency with your Will, if it's strong enough. Will is obvious, 'cause Dying Will Flames. It comes from the soul or whatever at the moment of your (near)death and you need the will/mental strength to pull it out so as to "not die". If both are in balance, or at least very strong, you should be able to pull a good amount of Flame "power" out of yourself. If you are deficient in one or the other, then you're unlikely to get as much as you actually could.

Of course, the manga never really explained how "Flame power" worked or could be measured, so one could simply take that as "As much as the plot demands" or "PLs are bullshit". Also, only Tsuna seemed to really have the truly big and powerful attacks from what I remember, hence the whole "Sky Flames have more power" in them and whatnot.

Oh, and another thing I remember from fanfics is that people have used Sky as a shortcut to using other Elements, like using the Sky Flames but thinking "Sun" or "healing" and the like to minorly utilize the aspect of Sun flames, but the trade-off was that it wasn't as good as using, or having an affinity for, pure Sun Flames.

I remember the manga got crazy by introducing more Flames type when it didn't really to do so since it has seven Flames with various abilities. If it wanted to have more plot then it should've expanded more on the seven Flames and how they could be combine to become more stronger then it was individually.

The seven earth flames could've be something of a combination stemming from a experiment of some sort to make new stronger flames. And the eighth flame could be something that was around but not mention often since it energy that only the wrathful dead use in order to manifest in the living world.

Just rambling on how that adding more flame types all of a sudden in series just didn't make sense to do so cause it already has seven good flames that it could've expanded on.

Yeah, KHR went down the drain with the Byakuran arc and everything after that and we never got proper explanations for anything. So personally speaking, I'd prefer @Fencer would just stick with the original 7 unless he/she for whatever god forsaken reason brings in the Tri-Ni-Sette and/or Byakuran. And I still wish we had an actual explanation for Xanxus' and Secondo's Flame of Wrath beyond the plausible fanon of "Sky+Storm" flames.

*There's some excellent other KHR fics by Umei no Mai as well, some of which have to do with Black Sky in some capacities.
 
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I wonder, will she have Flame assisted ADHD?
Probably not. For all that I've got ADHD I've got it fairly well channeled at this point in my life so that if I'm bored I reach for someyhing to read. Or start contemplating plot bunnies. which is better for everyone than if I go stir crazy but still not all that great a solution. It definitely helps me make weird leeps of logic that some people have trouble following and I'd attribute my better off the wall plot bunny ideas to that part of my nature, but honestly it's more of a pain in the ass then a help most of the time. Don't get me wrong it has it's moments, but it is not as generally usefull as Percy Jackson would have you believe. Enhanced reaction time in combat from lightning flames I wouldn't rule out, but that would be as much cloud as lightning.

Sky Flames as a Standalone would probably be Hyper Intuition. I'd imagine Sky Flames harmonize the users senses and instincts in-tune with their environment
This at least is in line with my own headcanon.
 
Probably not. For all that I've got ADHD I've got it fairly well channeled at this point in my life so that if I'm bored I reach for something to read. Or start contemplating plot bunnies. which is better for everyone than if I go stir crazy but still not all that great a solution. It definitely helps me make weird leaps of logic that some people have trouble following and I'd attribute my better off the wall plot bunny ideas to that part of my nature, but honestly it's more of a pain in the ass then a help most of the time. Don't get me wrong it has it's moments, but it is not as generally useful as Percy Jackson would have you believe. Enhanced reaction time in combat from lightning flames I wouldn't rule out, but that would be as much cloud as lightning.

I believe Percy's(And every other demigod's) ADHD was uh, boosted and/or directed by their parents divine nature towards the more killy shit than general normal human ADHD(Which, to me, would explain in-universe why it doesn't seem to amount to much beyond misreading words in canon) due to the fact that demigods were kinda geared towards fighting monsters in the first place. And Percy was a special case thanks to also being boosted by the blessing/curse of Achilles.

But yeah, I get that ADHD isn't as good as PJO would have you believe. Even if she didn't have the ADHD, I was more really wondering if she would have a more stream of consciousness/prioritizing threats mindset when using Lightning Flames since Lightning is fast and in KHR Lightnings are not known for slow patient decisions. I probably wasn't clear enough.

This at least is in line with my own headcanon.

Yeah, I mean, Sky Flames have to have more than just the ability to gather up to 6 other people as "guardians". I mean, Dino seemed pretty goddamn charismatic as a Sky Flame user and somehow managed to wrap his whole famiglia around his fingers, but the moment they or he leave each other and he turns into a klutz(Like Tsuna was before he had his Flames unlocked by Reborn) somehow. That, to me, implies that Dino has somehow stretched his Flames to tie his family to him(Which would explain the fervent loyalty beyond just simply fixing the mess his father left him when her died) and like, each person carries a piece/part of his Flames which helps him be charismatic and shit when they're around(Also a great way to let Dino know he's got men who have his back utterly, which would help with confidence) and would also explain why he (almost) falls to pieces whenever they're gone(It's pretty clearly not just "confidence issues" or "the need to be the best boss in front of subordinates" Reborn/author!). And if Dino can do that, what else can be done? And then let's not forget Aria and her family lineage. How the fuck they see the future, no one knows, but my bet is it has to do with Sky Flames(And probably Kawahira fuckery) somehow. Primo somehow came up Zero Point Breakthrough which is explicitly Sky. If they can do that kind of stuff, what else can Sky Flames do?

But those are special abilities. As a standard baseline(much like how clouds can always multiply things, mists can always create illusions, storms can always destroy things, etc...) Sky Flames should be able to harmonize the user's senses to the environment and people around them.

Also, I'd like to throw my hat in the ring(heh) for no rings or jewelry needed to used or boost the Flames. The Rings were useful in canon, but they're also kind of a crutch. The only way I'd be okay with it is if Box Animals somehow came into play, but that was (essentially for Worm Tinkertech) highly advanced tech that took several people to come together to make IIRC. Also, Mist Flames kind of negate the need for Box Animals.
 
Haven't read the source material for the flames, but for gem stone based foci, remember that earth Bet favors coins over paper money, so the trend to hold smaller heavier objects would be more common there, a simple bauble or gemstone on a keychain type of assembly wouldn't be too hard to pull off. And if something ring like is required, the keyring around a finger with the gem coming to rest in the palm of the hand matches the profile of many already existing keychains.

I may be slightly biased as I have a keychain collection...
 
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