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Alchemist767676 said:
Or ever really. Like, the nicest thing I've heard said about them recently is that them being a boring piece of wood isn't their fault because the devs were course correcting too hard from Corrin being hated.
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The blandness of Byleth's dialogue lines is an artefact of the English language script. In Japanese she is more characterful, and has lines teasing Dimitri about being a hikkikomori and joking to Edelgard that she's out at night to get laid. Also after the mock battle in the academy phase one of Byleth's lines is basically just 'let's get dru-u-unk,' so quite a bit was lost in translation. Like my takeaway is that while Byleth is emotionally flat she still grew up around a bunch of mercenaries.
 
Terrabrand said:
I gather from their existing presence in Heroes that they're from the Three Houses DLC I've heard exists, but with no first hand experience with Three Houses I couldn't say from, well, firsthand experience.
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I think they meant that this was the first time we have confirmed their presence in this game. People weren't sure because they were DLC in the previous, and weren't the best incorporated into the main game.
 
Ford Prefect said:
The blandness of Byleth's dialogue lines is an artefact of the English language script. In Japanese she is more characterful, and has lines teasing Dimitri about being a hikkikomori and joking to Edelgard that she's out at night to get laid. Also after the mock battle in the academy phase one of Byleth's lines is basically just 'let's get dru-u-unk,' so quite a bit was lost in translation. Like my takeaway is that while Byleth is emotionally flat she still grew up around a bunch of mercenaries.
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Do you happen to know someplace where the translation differences are listed?
 
Apotheosis said:
Do you happen to know someplace where the translation differences are listed?
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There are a bunch, though mostly they get into the technical nitty gritty of the wider writing, particularly in terms of the presentation of the overall story. That's an interesting, though occasionally very fraught topic lol. However those two Byleth voice lines are something I worked out myself with my exceedingly terrible Japanese, because while Byleth's dialogue is unvoiced, the other characters react to what she says :V
 
Okay I'm willing to bet good money that Arval is gonna be a twist villain

Also I kind of wish one of the trailers would do female Shez and male Byleth for a change.
 
Ford Prefect said:
There are a bunch, though mostly they get into the technical nitty gritty of the wider writing, particularly in terms of the presentation of the overall story. That's an interesting, though occasionally very fraught topic lol. However those two Byleth voice lines are something I worked out myself with my exceedingly terrible Japanese, because while Byleth's dialogue is unvoiced, the other characters react to what she says :V
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I see! I actually had an idle thought after reading your previous thought, "man if i knew Japanese I could find out firsthand" lol
Jelleton said:
Okay I'm willing to bet good money that Arval is gonna be a twist villain

Also I kind of wish one of the trailers would do female Shez and male Byleth for a change.
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Definitely wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. I do wonder how they'll work that with Arval saying "I will protect you all" and Sothis "We must now send the world to an early grave", assuming those aren't just purposefully misleading trailer lines and/or taken out of context.


An amusing thing I noticed is that it's during Dimitri tea time and him saying "I had a good time today" that Byleth divine pulses through the wall and takes over the trailer, like she's here to personally prevent him from having a good time.
 
About three hours in the demo, pursuing Black Eagles route, here's some thoughts...

The Demo is long. Two missions prologue proper then probably three more for each house? That's my guess so far.

Story also goes hard off the rails from the main game almost immediately. Mission one of Black Eagles alone would completely change how things played out.

It hurts that movesets are by class rather then per character. There's going to be repeats and a bit of grind from that. On the plus side though, you can bring your favorites with the best movesets.

Eldeguard remains the strongest.

Fists are rad.

Framerate is a lot better then previous games on the platform

I'm really liking it so far.
 
Shinji117 said:
I think the game can pull Byleth's name from your 3H save if you have that installed .
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Nope, or at least the demo can't. You do get the option of naming Byleth whatever you want and choosing their gender as well, though, so at least you can relive the Pokemon Rival days of naming your great nemesis BUTTS.

Ford Prefect said:
The blandness of Byleth's dialogue lines is an artefact of the English language script. In Japanese she is more characterful, and has lines teasing Dimitri about being a hikkikomori and joking to Edelgard that she's out at night to get laid. Also after the mock battle in the academy phase one of Byleth's lines is basically just 'let's get dru-u-unk,' so quite a bit was lost in translation. Like my takeaway is that while Byleth is emotionally flat she still grew up around a bunch of mercenaries.
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Yeah, my understanding is that she's supposed to be a bit flat of affect rather than wholly without personality. It's part of why I'm sad she doesn't have more actual lines, and probably the thing I'm most keen on lore-wise for Three Hopes. I want to see more of her and who she is when she gets to actually use her words.

Dream Logic said:
The Demo is long. Two missions prologue proper then probably three more for each house? That's my guess so far.

It hurts that movesets are by class rather then per character. There's going to be repeats and a bit of grind from that. On the plus side though, you can bring your favorites with the best movesets.
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I think at least a few of the prologue chapters count as actual chapters. I could be wrong, and I've yet to finish the demo for the route, but the save file reads Chapter 2 or 3 (I forget) and I just finished the "prologue", so...

Also, some characters have unique movesets for certain classes/weapons, I think? But I dunno how that shakes out in practice.
 
Apotheosis said:
I see! I actually had an idle thought after reading your previous thought, "man if i knew Japanese I could find out firsthand" lol
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My personal study has been very stalled, which means that it's 50-50 whether I'll screw up ordering a hamburger and I can't read anything at any rate, but it is sometimes valuable to be able to mentally edit the things you do catch, haha. Cornelia's death in Crimson Flower is a good example, or Edelgard talking about her dad in Cindered Shadows.

Dream Logic said:
Eldeguard remains the strongest.
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Of course. When Hubert talks about how Edelgard is a peerless warrior and living force of nature, he is not exaggerating:


View: https://twitter.com/Achiever579/status/1181700101858713600

:V
 
Apotheosis said:
Definitely wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. I do wonder how they'll work that with Arval saying "I will protect you all" and Sothis "We must now send the world to an early grave", assuming those aren't just purposefully misleading trailer lines and/or taken out of context.
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It's more process of elimination as I really doubt they would turn Byleth and Sothis into straight villains in a spin off game, and I doubt that they'd make Shez a villain halfway through, which means that having Arval somehow become the main antagonist makes the most sense.
 
Is it just me or did Shez's other mode have serious Grima-style horns? Like I doubt it's the same character but the design similarities are too much to overlook.
 
Badwolfwho said:
Oh wow I didn't realise enemy Edelgard also had the ability to take ten turns in a row when you fight her I thought they'd be too worried about balance to have her never let it be your turn but no that's rad
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As I recall she's like this on higher difficulties, but yes, if you're not careful the Flame Emperor will personally carve the centre out of your entire army.
 
Squirtodyle said:
Well, I played the demo - played the Golden Wildfire route, and watched the Black Eagles one.

It's kind of a mess. Thoughts below, with spoilers for the entire thing.

Shez is boring. I don't care about them and I don't understand why we now have a new protagonist to take Byleth's place after they managed to actually sell Byleth to people enough that they actually got compelled by the various potential character arcs and the slow restoration of their humanity after years of being an emotionless Ashen Demon. The fact that their explicit sole goal is to take revenge on Jeralt's Mercenaries and Byleth specifically after they destroyed the mercenary band that Shez worked for, which attacked Jeralt's mercs first, is weaksauce. I don't like seeing this random OC donut steel show up and take Byleth's place, and the fact that they're blatantly a secret Slitherer who's lost their memory is just rancid.

The Academy phase is two missions long, because you rescue Monica before Kronya can kill her and wear her as a skinsuit and she immediately drops Tomas as another infiltrator, who yeets himself the moment he's caught. Immediately after this, there's some kind of succession crisis in Faerghus, the Almyrans attack the Alliance, and Edelgard uses the Tomas situation as a way to get Arundel exposed as a Slitherer and oust him and Aegir in the same moment, which she does by relying on the Church's legitimacy and their lending her the Knights of Seiros to keep the peace in the capital while Edelgard and her forces coup Enbarr. After this, Rhea closes down the Officers Academy and lets everyone go home.

Timeskip two years, and Edelgard attacks the Church and implicitly declares war on the rest of Fodlan by refusing to negotiate as it starts taking Alliance territory to get to Garreg Mach.

That's the actual progression of events - just a two year timeskip with no warning whatsoever. You, as Shez, stick with whichever house you joined basically just to make money, and you have no stake or buy-in on the war. You're in it solely and exclusively to get revenge on the person who defended themselves from an attack your mercnary force made on their mercenary force specifically so you could wipe them out and become the most famous mercs in the land.

I'm underwhelmed.
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...Yeah this sounds like a really lame and unsympathetic character motivation lol. And it seems like the game will rush through the story, at least initially. I know the Academy phase in Three Houses kinda drags on, but wouldn't having it last only two chapters utterly mess up the narrative, characterization and pacing ? Can we get attached to the characters and feel the impact the war has on them if we only spend so little time with them pre-timeskip ?

Personally the thing that interests me the most about Three Hopes is that it could patch the holes in Three Houses' interesting but significantly flawed story. I'll have to try it to make up my own mind, but this doesn't really bode well. I do hope the Black Eagles route will at least deal with the Agarthans and Nemesis on-screen this time around. The Blue Lions could also use a better showdown against them, from what I know of their route.
 
ZQFMGB said:
Can we get attached to the characters and feel the impact the war has on them if we only spend so little time with them pre-timeskip ?
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I mean, I'm pretty sure that's what Three Houses was for. Like, I'm pretty sure that the audience for this game is Warriors fans, who don't particularly care about the background information, and Fire Emblem fans, who already have the background information.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the two target audiences are the sort of people who are already coming pre-invested, and the sort of people who really could not give two shits one way or the other.
 
I've only played some of the prologue but Shez is the worst I love them so much

Picks fight with Byleth, Byleth asks them to stand down nobody needs to get owned today, Shez refuses to stand down and gets destroyed, gets saved only by divine intervention and decides clearly this is all Byleth's fault there was no other way this could've gone down, incredible I love it.
"Do you know how many times you'd have died by now if not for me? Twenty Two! Three times you leapt off a cliff to 'Get tougher'" this after a six month time skip so Shez dies four times a month
 
Apotheosis said:
Do you happen to know someplace where the translation differences are listed?
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Great Greedy Guts said:
Nope, or at least the demo can't. You do get the option of naming Byleth whatever you want and choosing their gender as well, though, so at least you can relive the Pokemon Rival days of naming your great nemesis BUTTS.
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It absolutly can since it pulled a non-Byleth name for me when it asked to input it.
 
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Ok, having finished Black Eagles and working through Blue Lions I am very pleased by how different they managed to make characters feel within their classes.

Sure half of them are mostly unique in what elemental explosion and how they trigger it but honestly? It feels good to see how it gets worked in.

Also really appreciate how quickly each route seems to diverge from Three Houses. Even if a lot of things are similar the circumstances are different enough to change them entirely.

I wonder if in this timeline I might get my Fanfiction Golden Ending?
 
Alchemist767676 said:
I mean, I'm pretty sure that's what Three Houses was for. Like, I'm pretty sure that the audience for this game is Warriors fans, who don't particularly care about the background information, and Fire Emblem fans, who already have the background information.
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My main problem with this is that it might work to get fans invested in the characters, but there's absolutely no investment with Shez.

Shez meets these people, is borderline press ganged into joining them until they're convinced to become students, they go on one mission with their class, then they're hired as a merc for two offscreen years with the characters for whatever route you pick. There's absolutely no setup for investment in the characters and for Shez to get to know and care about them because they speedrun stuff and went with a new protagonist. The best you get are support conversations which frankly absolutely do not count, because they're optional and can be done whenever and however you want. There's no actual meat to the relationships that get Shez involved in the whole situation so far, especially not with the House leaders.
 
Why would support conversations not count? Yeah, they're optional, but that's where you get *most* of the characterization and investment in the non-lord cast members, and the game is built on the assumption that you're going to do them.
 
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