Finding the Spark (Pathfinder 1E Quest)

"Which temple to you want to bring this into?" Sirim motions at the necromantic notes strewn on the table, most of them still in devil's tongue.
Nethys at the very least would love the opportunity. Unfortunately he is quite insane.

The text was interesting. That's for certain. It has just a few nuggets of truth sprinkled in. That are twisted and mixed with outright lies. A great read for the foolish and the desperate.

It also shows why a wickedly insane amd vile person might have bothered to create this.

Yep, if he were say a Petitioner this would be a lot easier.
Could be fun to raid the boneyard. But not wanting to die is quite understandable.
 
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Sirim really does not want to die, all other things aside be betrayed Zon Kuthon, he stood up said 'may I be tortured for eternity in the most horrific way my mind can imagine if I betray you my lord'... and then he did the thing.
Something for deal with in the future. Likely after the Body thing.

Does Sirim want to grab an undead body because he thinks we will object to stealing a living person's body?
 
Something for deal with in the future. Likely after the Body thing.

Does Sirim want to grab an undead body because he thinks we will object to stealing a living person's body?

Given that you stole thing from what was an identity thief if not a body thief and everyone was very much not OK with that it seems like a good bet, though he could also object to it on moral grounds it's hard to say.
 
Something else to consider about being Undead is that it is much more difficult to revive an Undead who is destroyed compared to Raising/Resurrecting a living person. It takes higher level magic and is much more costly, IIRC.

Not that I want to plan for failures like death, but it is something Sirim would probably take into account.
 
I think it'd be better for Sirim to seek out a living body.

I think it'd be better for the story to have a semi-proper semi-undead party member.

[x] An undead body will serve well enough and the world will be better for one less vampire in it
 
Interesting book, but obviously you should take what it says with a grain of salt at best and just focus on practical applications for it.

Also I believe using a living/crafted body is best, since not only do you have no idea where that undead body has been, but likely more trouble than worth trying to grab a decent one.

Besides, it just means that Sirim can spend however much time he wants making it perfect for himself.

[X] Sirim should strive for a living body, it would likely be healthier for him and less trouble for the company
 
[x] An undead body will serve well enough and the world will be better for one less vampire in it
 
Can we please not advocate the Undead route? Beyond all of the other issues, and there are many of them, healing Undead is also more difficult than for living creatures.

[X] Sirim should strive for a living body, it would likely be healthier for him and less trouble for the company
 
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Looks at my Dhamphir character.

It is dealable. Even if it's not perfect. Not getting his body back.

Let's call it a stepping stone.
 
Can we please not advocate the Undead route? Beyond all of the other issues, and there are many of them, healing Undead is also more difficult than for living creatures.

[X] Sirim should strive for a living body, it would likely be healthier for him and less trouble for the company
If you want to talk mechanics, Sirim being incabable of using items is a lot worse than the healing issue.

We can get our hands on an Inflict Wand with ease, but not a smoke-touchable one.
 
If you want to talk mechanics, Sirim being incabable of using items is a lot worse than the healing issue.

We can get our hands on an Inflict Wand with ease, but not a smoke-touchable one.
The issue with using items is a problem, but not an insurmountable one.

Yet another concern with recommending an Undead solution is the group's experiences with them up to this point. Mina grew up learning to fear and detest the Undead, but the rest of the group hasn't exactly had a lot of positive interactions with them up to this point, either. The Lich, the Undead children, Breolia, the Ghosts, etc.

That's not unusual. Few people ever have a positive interaction with the Undead. IMO, it's OOC for Kori to recommend Sirim try to become such a being with that history in mind.
 
The issue with using items is a problem, but not an insurmountable one.

Yet another concern with recommending an Undead solution is the group's experiences with them up to this point. Mina grew up learning to fear and detest the Undead, but the rest of the group hasn't exactly had a lot of positive interactions with them up to this point, either. The Lich, the Undead children, Breolia, the Ghosts, etc.

That's not unusual. Few people ever have a positive interaction with the Undead. IMO, it's OOC for Kori to recommend Sirim try to become such a being with that history in mind.

When it comes to Mina, she was more or less expecting this when you started reading the book on evil magic from the double-vampire. This is the kind of situation that leads to someone becoming undead. On the other hand Mina figures that is anyone can deal with the mental strain of being one of the living dead it's Sirim just because of how utterly stubborn he is.
 
Sirim has had to deal with being a bodyless smoke-spirit-aberration for quite a while now.

Being something Vampire-like, the most feeling and often semi-sane of Undead, is a step up for matters of mental health.
At least by my expectation.

Sirim has mentioned in his interludes that he lacks several senses, at least smell, taste and touch. That's not good for a human.
 
Sirim has had to deal with being a bodyless smoke-spirit-aberration for quite a while now.

Being something Vampire-like, the most feeling and often semi-sane of Undead, is a step up for matters of mental health.
At least by my expectation.

Sirim has mentioned in his interludes that he lacks several senses, at least smell, taste and touch. That's not good for a human.

He lack taste touch and smell and technically also the sense of balance since he does not need it as bodyless smoke.
 
@DragonParadox, if Sirim were to ballpark estimate the time involved in each option, how much faster does he believe it would be to take the Undead route?
 
@DragonParadox, if Sirim were to ballpark estimate the time involved in each option, how much faster does he believe it would be to take the Undead route?

He could do the undead option now, he is confident, he just needs a vampiric 'volunteer'. The live option starts with 'find a priest willing to entertain the notion... er that is a priest that isn't trying to buy your soul on the cheap for their dark master who is willing to entertain this'
 
[X] Sirim should strive for a living body, it would likely be healthier for him and less trouble for the company

[X] Sirim should strive for a living body, it would likely be healthier for him and less trouble for the company, but his circumstances are unusual and the loss of sensations mortals take for granted must be quite disconcerting. If acquiring an Undead form for himself would lessen the burden placed on him by this situation, we should keep an eye out for a suitable Vampire that will serve his purposes. There is no reason he cannot continue to work on returning to a living form after he has an unliving body.
 
[X] Sirim should strive for a living body, it would likely be healthier for him and less trouble for the company

That's just our opinion. If Sirim is desperate, he will ignore it anyway.

edit: It's a tie now.
 
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[X] Sirim should strive for a living body, it would likely be healthier for him and less trouble for the company, but his circumstances are unusual and the loss of sensations mortals take for granted must be quite disconcerting. If acquiring an Undead form for himself would lessen the burden placed on him by this situation, we should keep an eye out for a suitable Vampire that will serve his purposes. There is no reason he cannot continue to work on returning to a living form after he has an unliving body.
I mean, that's a vote for Undeath.

Of course Sirim wouldn't stop his self-improvement after finding a solution right now.

I think something Dhampir-like (with Negative Affinity and all) is a pretty optimal outcome and it might even be achieved in the first ritual, but if the result is too far into Undeath for his tastes, he can definitely find more ways to get a new body.
 
OK so half and half and one vote that's in the middle. I'd say Kori isn't sure on this one but he's leaning to trusting Sirim.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 4, 2024 at 7:07 AM, finished with 35 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] An undead body will serve well enough and the world will be better for one less vampire in it
    [X] Sirim should strive for a living body , it would likely be healthier for him and less trouble for the company
    [X] Sirim should strive for a living body, it would likely be healthier for him and less trouble for the company, but his circumstances are unusual and the loss of sensations mortals take for granted must be quite disconcerting. If acquiring an Undead form for himself would lessen the burden placed on him by this situation, we should keep an eye out for a suitable Vampire that will serve his purposes. There is no reason he cannot continue to work on returning to a living form after he has an unliving body.
 
Arc 9 Post 14: A Most Uncommon Hunt
A Most Uncommon Hunt

29th of Neth 4707 A.R. (Absalom Reckoning)

You think back to all the dead that live you've meet, the hateful, the cruel, and the mad. Not something you'd wish on an enemy, much less a friend, but still you understand a bit of Sirim's predicament, unable to taste a bite to bread, to scent the air or feel the wind... "I won't judge no matter which you choose," you say quietly.

Mina closes the book with a thump, looking at the ring of faces tinted gold in the light cast off the gilded death mask upon the cover. "If this were a story an old granny was spinning around the flame on cold winter's eve east of the Vanshlase Hills, now would be the time for the moral to show itself: the madness of meddling in Pharasma's domain without her say so, the folly and futility of necromancy. If this were a tale told in Barstoi, we would be the villains. But then again..." she smiles, wan but unfeigned. "If this were just a tale I do not think we would have made it this far either. We don't strike the most heroic posse, do we? Stories are filled with old wisdom, but not all the wisdom there is."

"Stories can be a good place to begin," Pepper agrees, eyes narrowed to slits. You don't believe he's sleepy for a moment. "Keep in mind though, new stories have to start from somewhere."

"I'd rather not be spoken of at all," Sirim grumbles, at least as much as a whisper allows. "A secret unsaid is power, whereas one revealed is as a fortress with its gates unbarred. Father Skinsaw's children get that much right even as they seem to have forgotten, or have been made to forget, what fortresses are for."

"I'm almost afraid to ask, but what do you think Norgorberites get wrong about fortresses?" Mina asks, sounding genuinely curious in spite of herself. You vaguely recall her mentioning a god of thieves, distinct from the god of war for some reason, perhaps because he is one of those Ascended.

"A fortress requires a trusted garrison, else it is no more than a particularly eye-catching pile of rocks. I wish to seek out one of the vampyri, perhaps in Ustalav?" He looks to Mina, who seems surprised at the offer.

"They say where there's smoke there's fire, and with Barstoi and vampires the sky is black with it," she agrees.

"After we lay the Surefoot dead to rest," Gorok reminds them.

You wonder what the odds of dwarven vampires among the ruins of their city are.

Over the next few days, as the river grows a touch wider and a lot more crowded with reeds and sandbanks, you decide to...

[] Help Mina with a personal matter. Reminded of her her former home, Mina feels ready to send a letter back, enough at least to inform them that she is well once you reach Cassomir, but she can't find the words, regrets and resentments all coming to a boil

[] Spend some time with Cob. He's been trying to learn how to fish, alas he has proven less skilled at stalking fish than any landbound creature, maybe you can help

[] Join Gorok in communing with the iruxi skulls taken from the Wildwood Lodge

[] Speak to Leontas about the Stonewilds and perhaps other tales from the Crusades if he's so inclined

[] Question Sir Prisca about the customs and manner of the Empire of Taldor, perhaps even discover how his kin have come to owe a favor to the Pathfinder Society

[] Speak with Urgor about his plans for the expedition to the ruins of Jernashall

[] Write in


OOC: A bit of a short update, but this is a natural end point.
 
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[X] Question Sir Prisca about the customs and manner of the Empire of Taldor, perhaps even discover how his kin have come to owe a favor to the Pathfinder Society
 
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