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Fiend: Thread Three, Thread Harder. [Exalted/Worm]

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Endymion said:
Yes, anything over a certain amount of explosive power will create a mushroom cloud. It's a result of thermodynmics more then anything else. It's more about the cooling of the edges of the cloud and the sustained heat in the center making the characteristic shape.
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I know how a mushroom cloud forms, what I mean is that unless somehow enough gasoline was aerosolised, a large majority of the gasoline won't explode due to the lack of oxygen to burn with, the majority of gaasoline will be "slowly" burning instead of exploding. I was wondering if there was a charm that bypassed that.
wkz said:
Most Hollywood explosions are petrol bombs (or something similar). And yes, they do produce a weak, momentary mushroom cloud if conditions are correct...
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Taylor's Hollywood-tinted perspectives strikes again!!
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Well, it's Marissa who's seeing an explosion.
Alasnuyo said:
It just got hit by the World-Weathering Incandescence. That'll probably do it.
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Does it allow thing to burn instantly* without an oxydant?

*The instantly part is important to create a large enough explosion to create a mushroom cloud.
 
Khaos said:
It may be nitpicking but would a tanker explosion result in a mushroom shape cloud? I'm going to assume that it's a product tanker transporting gasoline, ie one of the most flammable and explosive product refine from crude oil. But would it achieve the proper fuel-air mixture so that the combustion is instant enough to create an explosion that would result in a mushroom cloud?

Unless a charm was used to achieve this effect?
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Wyldhand end said:
She tried to grasp the pole, but didn't have enough time. Green flames licked along the pole, I knew what I needed. I needed the flames to burn through anything, to get at the juicy center of the tanker. And shouldn't they? Shouldn't the flames that could burn flesh with unnatural ease burn metal as well? It was logical, and it felt right.
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Yes, a charm was used
 
SolipsistSerpen said:
When I said "definite nuclear themes" I mean some of the charms don't just give off radiation but create mushroom clouds (and burn shadows of people slain by them into the surroundings) by default. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch for a large mundane explosion set off by Malfeas charms to cause a mushroom cloud even if the specific charm did not.
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Arkeus said:
Yes, a charm was used
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It says 'continuously burn away at inanimate objects, immolating their least god', not instantaneously, does the complete rule set say instantaneously?
 
Khaos said:
It says 'continuously burn away at inanimate objects, immolating their least god', not instantaneously, does the complete rule set say instantaneously?
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Depending on the resource-value of the item in question when compared to the user's Essence, possibly, yes. I wouldn't discount the possibility that Taylor's use of the Charm somehow set off an instantaneous detonation within the tanker, which then resulted in a chain-reaction, or somesuch.
 
Khaos said:
It says 'continuously burn away at inanimate objects, immolating their least god', not instantaneously, does the complete rule set say instantaneously?
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summary said:
If the target suffers any damage from the secondary burn, the wound continues to burn from within, suffering one level of unsoakable lethal damage each tick until destroyed. If the warlock has a higher Essence rating than the Resources value of the object, it burns more quickly and is utterly destroyed on the tick following the Infernal's attack.
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With a 3-dice stunt like what happened, it's easy to house-rule it as 'having higher essence', i would think.
 
SolipsistSerpen said:
So... When I say "by default" I mean " regardless of the actual amount of heat or explosion involved." You know, because they're magic and Malfeas likes the idea of nuclear holocaust enough to just have trappings of it attached to his stuff even when it shouldn't be.
You seemed like you had a legitimate question originally but now you just seem willfully obstinate.
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BlackWarth said:
It destroy the target instantly if its Resources value is lesser than the Infernal Essence.
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Kelenas said:
Depending on the resource-value of the item in question when compared to the user's Essence, possibly, yes. I wouldn't discount the possibility that Taylor's use of the Charm somehow set off an instantaneous detonation within the tanker, which then resulted in a chain-reaction, or somesuch.
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Arkeus said:
With a 3-dice stunt like what happened, it's easy to house-rule it as 'having higher essence', i would think.
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Not trying to be obstinate, just to understand how it works. Thanks.
I also did not expect four answers. :)
 
Also Stunts in Exalted can bend physics a little. So basically if it is awesome enough to have the explosion take a mushroom cloud shape, it does. Of course if you rule stunts as having no actual effect on the game world, then that doesn't apply.
 
Sundancer seems really undervalued at times. Not in this story, mind you, but in worm iself.
If she trusts herself and stops holding back so much... We saw what shes capable of when she incinerated echidna in canon, and her instakill of trickster + bunch of clones here. Yet against an endbringer in canon from what i remember she only ever user her small fireball variation.
Her potential for area destruction is really one of the highest we saw.

If an endbringer can somehow be held in place for a moment, shouldnt her high size/intensity sun do a rather good job at burning/melting away some outer layers if its trapped inside it?
 
Rask said:
Good: Trickster won't cause any more problems! Yay!

Also, if Taylor recruits Sundancer after this, then she might as well rename the team. "Collateral Damage Girls" seems appropriate. Seriously, when the giant stompy monster is the one least likely to lower property values...
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Sun dancer literally has the power to create and control small SUNS.

Now isn't That a neat ability for someone who is a Lawgiver to have?
 
Could Taylor feed Marissa's sun her own green flames enhancing it beyond being purely mundane ball of dense fusion plasma and making it even more dangerous?

And yeah, the girls could probably drive an Endbringer off on their own, if they (not Taylor) weren't glass cannons. Which could probably be remedied with some helpful mutations.
 
Yog said:
And yeah, the girls could probably drive an Endbringer off on their own, if they (not Taylor) weren't glass cannons. Which could probably be remedied with some helpful mutations.
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Or summoned demons. Everything is better with summoned demons.

More seriously, though; there's one first circle demon that can basically act as living armor, another that can serve as a very effective (if somewhat squicky) internal healer, and amongst the second circle demons there's a number of crafters who could outfit the girls with some nice artifact armor and weapons.

Of course, that kinda hinges on Taylor learning Sorcery soon...
 
Endymion said:
Good combos for Sundancer. Her plus Clockblocker's time stop; if she had actually fought during the Leviathan Arc when Clock did his thing they probably could have turned Levi at that point.

She would suck though against Behemoth; he redirects energy anything she did would just power him for the most part.
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Yog said:
And yeah, the girls could probably drive an Endbringer off on their own, if they (not Taylor) weren't glass cannons. Which could probably be remedied with some helpful mutations.
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Do we have any idea how long she can keep up high intensity use of her powers? Clockblockers lasts minutes at times... but if they build some restraines beforehand...

For being a glass canon... not necessarily against behemoth, but shouldnt she be ablte to simply stand inside her own sun, given how heatproof she is? That oughta block some stuff at least, but she probably cant see... and an endbringer could just run trough and smash her, taking the bit of damage. And its probably anyones guess how the thing interacts with Simurghs telekinesis.

I have no idea how it combines with other powers, one exalted expert should chime in there. Unless we want to go really cheesy and try to define her summones sun as an inanimate object of low value, i dont think what shes shown so far wouldreally interact.
 
Looking trough the malfean charms theres also no-shadow sun, that has a component of burning trough shields.
Depending as what exactly they count, could that ignore or destroy an endbringers outer layers?
 
Endymion said:
Kissed by Hellish Noon, I think. It says it can be used to empower artillery, I'd think SD and DoD would both count as artillery.
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That can only be used if Taylor is the one doing the firing. So unless she uses another power to turn the girls into Artifact weapons that she then grabs and wield herself, that won't help.
Endymion said:
If not, there's probably homebrew charms for empowering an allies attack.
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This goes very much against malfeas thematics, you won't find good homebrew Charms that do that in Malfeas's Charm set.
On the other hand, it doesn't go against The Ebon Dragon's thematics since he has Charms like Unfair Excellence Edowement. And then she could create an Heretical Charm that combines Malfeas's green hatefire with TED's corrupting other's power with his own to turn Sundance into a green sun generator.
 
Sojiko said:
This goes very much against malfeas thematics, you won't find good homebrew Charms that do that in Malfeas's Charm set.
On the other hand, it doesn't go against The Ebon Dragon's thematics since he has Charms like Unfair Excellence Edowement. And then she could create an Heretical Charm that combines Malfeas's green hatefire with TED's corrupting other's power with his own to turn Sundance into a green sun generator.
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Something that can do this in general would be really nice, as a calling card of a sort. All defilers allies get their attcks enhanched by green fire.
 
Khaos said:
It may be nitpicking but would a tanker explosion result in a mushroom shape cloud? I'm going to assume that it's a product tanker transporting gasoline, ie one of the most flammable and explosive product refine from crude oil. But would it achieve the proper fuel-air mixture so that the combustion is instant enough to create an explosion that would result in a mushroom cloud?

Unless a charm was used to achieve this effect?
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If it was a LPG tanker that thing will have exploded like a small nuclear weapon. Unlike gasoline, LPG WANTS to be a really large cloud of gas, mixin' with your atmosphere. An accident with an LPG tanker is one of the biggest worries any port can have.
 
Heh. (Assuming Sundancer joins up) now they're the Dirty Trio. Yes, that's a reference to the Patron Saints of Collateral Damage. :p

And a possible rundown of the Number Man's motivation: "Here's someone who can't be precogged. What will happen if she runs into this group of probably Simurgh'd capes? Probably can't make things worse..."
 
Rask said:
She could probably consider it a beloved item and poison it with Kimbery Charms, though.
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I don't think this would work like that, exactly, because fire isn't an inanimate object upon which you can paint things, but the general idea is sound.

The burning acid sea of Kimbery are an important part of her thematic, and empowering her Beloved ones is also her thing. Giving them some portion of her power to scorch those she hates would be the sort of thing she does. So Taylo could have access to a Kimbery Charm doing just that, although it might flow from both Spiteful Sea Tincture (in the mother Sea Mastery tree, her basic acid power) and Intolerable Burning Truth (since that's where you find her love and hate). So maybe not something she'd get easily.
But definitely a fun option for a tem leader!
 
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