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I think the cheating is the point of being a magus. If you can't even make a rocket with highschool education and with magecraft, you are not even trying to win. Only less than 3rd rate magi would actually do the killing with their bare hands.

High level enemies just have to have a 'protection from arrows' mystery to defeat mundane guns and other modern tech.
 
One thing to consider is that game itself either abstracts or completely removes a lot of hard work all the while there is sizable chain of production in place to capitalize on it. Productivity of workers in Aincard is multiple orders of magnitudes above what it should be, between work taking less time, easy logistics, danger free research, casual communication etc.

Simple put, having a (working) rocket ship to turn into magic bomb is a lot harder in RL than in Aincard. Especially when you can just buy or mindfuck people into giving you professional rocket systems if you are into it.
 
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Wolfy said:
One thing to consider is that game itself either abstracts or completely removes a lot of hard work all the while there is sizable chain of production in place to capitalize on it. Productivity of workers in Aincard is multiple orders of magnitudes above what it should be, between work taking less time, easy logistics, danger free research, casual communication etc.Simple put, having a (working) rocket ship to turn into magic bomb is a lot harder in RL than in Aincard. Especially when you can just buy or mindfuck people into giving you professional rocket systems if you are into it.
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Yeah, without safezone abuse, this plan would just have resulted in a lot of dead Players.
 
Z000 said:
he definitely gonna have flash back to shit he hear Kiri did
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Kiritsugu isn't really as notorious as people think.

To put it into an analogy, let's say "Killing Mages" is some obscure sport, and Kiritsugu is a high level competitor in that sport. Most mages aren't interested in the sport, so they don't really pay attention to it, a part of those know the name of one famous guy in that sport, Kiritsugu. So mostly other competitors know more than just a name about him.

Then add on to that that his hayday was several decades ago.

Kayaba probably would know a bit about Kiritsugu, he does love his research, but I find it unlikely he has any kind of flashback or fear reaction in regard to Kiritsugu.
 
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Rockets are a man's romance!
Beautiful. You are truly on the path of being a man's man, Klein. Now if you can only get a date.

I enjoyed the chapter quite a bit. You gave us some nice fan-service throughout. It was delightful. The conversations regarding [Titles] was good too. Shirou just looked more suspicious in some ways there, but less in others. That has to be driving their speculative conspiracy nuts, haha.
 
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Besides, as mentioned in this thread a few times already, Kiritsugu wasn't special because he is only magic using person in existence capable of buying a gun, he was special because he was insanely good at using stuff to kill mages, ruthless, expert at going through Bounded Fields and because he had unique anti magic rifle.

But mostly "insanely good at killing mages". Some people are just really good at stuff.
 
I learned a lot about Nasu-verse from this as well as things just applying to this particular story, so thanks.

It's an awesome development, them magi-technologically advancing from warriors & battalions to artillery barrages. I'd have expected there would be something like a barrier around the Boss Area to keep new people from entering until the starting raid had either died or retreated, (at which point the boss would heal,) but if there isn't....

Well, on the one hand, that means they can potentially use this trick again (as well as others, like cycling through replacement raid groups).

On the other hand, that now mean they can possibly face things like rampaging kaijuu they have to chase down who show up and start attacking people outside a pre-planned Boss Raid.

Yowza.

* And your character interactions were adorable, too. I loved seeing everyone interact that way.
 
daniel_gudman said:
3) Honestly the in-game gossiping on "what are Titles" was maybe the weakest part, in the sense that I'm not sure I captured all the subtext I wanted to. So let me know what you got out of it, and I'll see if that matches what I intended to put in.
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There was a whole lot of subtext involved in that. Especially when Shirou began to speak and everyone started treating him like he had better info than Kirito, and with much more caution.
 
daniel_gudman said:
3) Honestly the in-game gossiping on "what are Titles" was maybe the weakest part, in the sense that I'm not sure I captured all the subtext I wanted to. So let me know what you got out of it, and I'll see if that matches what I intended to put in.
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1) Kirito basically gets it, because he understands how Kayaba thinks.
2) Shirou doesn't, because his thinking is too shaped by Rin's explanations of what is important. He probably thinks of Titles as being more like Sorcery/Sealing designations.
3) Asuna, and other frontliners by extension, don't, because their thinking is too straightforward.
3a) Diabel might get it a bit more than other frontliners.

daniel_gudman said:
Asuna was also giving him a strange look, although she was a little more guarded about it. It made Kirito feel strangely defensive.
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I'm not sure what this look is, though it might just be respect.

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To put it another way,
Kirito thinks on a game design level
Shirou thinks in real life (magus) terms
Asuna et al think like game players
 
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Eh, I'm not sure about the Sealing Designation link.
A Sealing Designation is just "this guy is too valuable to lose until we can replicate their feat".
The Title is looking for something which one person in the game can accomplish and nobody else could replicate, even if they had the instructions.

The Title is basically declaring Magician-lite status. You did the impossible. Nobody else can figure out how to copy it, its an ability unique to you.

After all, if it became teachable then its simply Magecraft, not Magic.
 
LunaticPanda said:
Oh sure, the lack of further water levels will make it much harder to set up a kamikaze boat. But the cat's out of the bag at this point.

Now nothing will stop Klein from trying to set up similar piles of exploding bullshit for every major boss. If it's outside Fuurinkazan's going to develop planes just so they can crash them into the boss. If it's inside then they'll find a way to destroy the walls and allow in there own weaponry. They'll get artillery. They'll get piles of explosives. Klein will not rest until the hundredth floor falls in a fiery but relatively mundane explosion. Magecraft will be reduced to simply the means to industrial ends and Kayaba will look at what became of his works and despair.
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The fun, of course, starts if/when they get pushed to making particularly exotic materiel. Or a Megumin "dump mana get EXPLOOOOOOSION" spell with minimal safeties.
 
As always I love Argo and her interactions with Kirito/Asuna, but her interactions with Shirou are probably my favorite in this fic.
The crazy rocket boat was awesome and shows why I like Klein so much.
 
@daniel_gudman , back in 6-3 the Quest for Steel, you have Shirou ask Agil if he has the appraise skill equipped, and he says yes. Didn't that skill get axed in favor of Structural Grasp?
Sandeon Buisle said:
Still hoping at some point Shiro's yakuza connections come to light, especially since there was that early theory that Illya was a yakuza princess and Shiro her enforcer (funnily enough, Ilya technically is a yakuza princess, because she was adopted by Taiga, who is a yakuza princess. Although technically Shiro is a yakuza prince, in a way, since Taiga is his guardian/onee-san)
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"What? Yakuza? No, Fuji-nee made sure I wasn't really exposed to that side of things. Raiga-san does seem very nice, though."
 
Guile said:
@daniel_gudman , back in 6-3 the Quest for Steel, you have Shirou ask Agil if he has the appraise skill equipped, and he says yes. Didn't that skill get axed in favor of Structural Grasp?

"What? Yakuza? No, Fuji-nee made sure I wasn't really exposed to that side of things. Raiga-san does seem very nice, though."
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"So let me get this Shirou. Just give me an yes or no. You are an orphan?"

"Yes."

"And you live alone in big mansion with your young teacher guardian."

"Yes."

"And you have bunch of cute girls coming to live with you."

"Um, yes?"

"And you like helping others."

"Of course."

"And your favorite weapon is sword?"

"Yeah."

"Aaaand that's five, we've won protagonist bingo Kiribou!"


Btw, this is Fate route Shirou, so he also had threesome with Saber and Rin lmao. "I've Thought That My Sensei Is Innocent But He's Actually A Huge Pervert?"
 
Wolfy said:
Btw, this is Fate route Shirou, so he also had threesome with Saber and Rin lmao. "I've Thought That My Sensei Is Innocent But He's Actually A Huge Pervert?"
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Ilya: "Shirou! Quick! We need some way to share mana so you can beat the boss, right now!"
Shirou: "I think Levi has a bunch of blood potions-"
Ilya, /excited: "No time! It needs to be right here, right now!"
Shirou, /sigh: "I guess there's one way I know of."
 
DamnedAeons 187 said:
Right, who's down a firstborne? 2 chapters so close together, we're truly blessed
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I mean
Chapter every other week or so was the normal posting speed for a while. I don't want to over-promise but rather than this being exceptional I'm trying to return to what was normal, I guess?

Knight-Radiant said:
I think this was supposed to be "without spells," As in, anything done with magecraft can be done with technology, etc
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ALSO SHIROU: People die when they're killed

yeah lol whoops this was a typo. I autocorrected it in my head when I was reviewing it before post.

SolipsistSerpent said:
Hm... I guess the coders didn't want to bother giving him the right number of legs (eight and two pincers or ten total, as crabs are decapods).
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This was just a mistake on my part, shoulda been eight legs + claws.

sdarian said:
I think the parenthesis part needs to be removed on this section. Left over notes maybe?
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Supposed to be Kirito making a lame joke in his monologue. I might add a few words to make that a little more clear.

Guile said:
@daniel_gudman , back in 6-3 the Quest for Steel, you have Shirou ask Agil if he has the appraise skill equipped, and he says yes. Didn't that skill get axed in favor of Structural Grasp?
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Kinda where I'm at is that the [Appraisal] skill gives you mundane information about the item, like it pretty strictly gives you a market price based on what you know about it, rather than letting you know divine what the durability is, etc. It's kind of a trash skill.

Canonically Agil also had a skill like [Bargaining] or something that probably improved his buy/sell ratio with NPCs, which I guess would make sense if he was running a high volume / low margin kind of operation, but I'm not really sure what his business model would be exactly.
 
daniel_gudman said:
Canonically Agil also had a skill like [Bargaining] or something that probably improved his buy/sell ratio with NPCs, which I guess would make sense if he was running a high volume / low margin kind of operation, but I'm not really sure what his business model would be exactly.
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Given he tends to give things out fairly freely he probably needs to maximize profits to be able to afford the charity when it matters.
 
As someone who knows what's coming up, you did the foreshadowing with the Titles really well. This conversation is going to get a dark twist soon.
 
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