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There are a few things that came to mind in the latest chapter:
1) I can see at least a few rumors about Shirou and Lind if anyone bothers to appraise her new toy. As mentioned that thing should break the bank, and anyone who mines should know how hard it is to find.
2) alchemy is fun. I really want to see Argo's face when she realizes she will be able to turn lead to gold IRL. That said Shirou needs to make N-stuff.
3) With all the super equipment Shirou is making and the proliferation of steel, has he accidentally been raising the difficulty of the game?
4) I wonder what effect Shirou's legend has magically speaking. Getting a sword from him if an unofficial quest everyone knows about, heck there was even a mention of equipment being [ranger grade]. Given the isolated status of SAO that should make any effects easier to spot.
5) Argo, i don't think anyone is going to summon a Kiju any time soon, but if you mention it to Iliya she might summon Berserker.
1) I can see at least a few rumors about Shirou and Lind if anyone bothers to appraise her new toy. As mentioned that thing should break the bank, and anyone who mines should know how hard it is to find.
2) alchemy is fun. I really want to see Argo's face when she realizes she will be able to turn lead to gold IRL. That said Shirou needs to make N-stuff.
3) With all the super equipment Shirou is making and the proliferation of steel, has he accidentally been raising the difficulty of the game?
4) I wonder what effect Shirou's legend has magically speaking. Getting a sword from him if an unofficial quest everyone knows about, heck there was even a mention of equipment being [ranger grade]. Given the isolated status of SAO that should make any effects easier to spot.
5) Argo, i don't think anyone is going to summon a Kiju any time soon, but if you mention it to Iliya she might summon Berserker.
Olivebirdy
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Oh hell yes. Build-a-Berserker, ho!
It's good to see this story appearing here as well as on TFF. I probably should have commented there, or before, though as I have been enjoying it.
Given that those present don't seem to be within the reach of Gaia / Ayala would that make it easier to do this without external 'interference' trying to stop them?
Now these, taken together, are an interesting thing that I didn't really think much of when I first read thought the chapter. Looking at the issue again I'm reminded that Shirou did horribly amazing things to simple Projection and ended up with Tracing. Why would his Structural Grasp not have been evolved, refined, or altered to do what he thought that it should?
It is very unlikely to happen, but now I have this vague mental thought of someone managing a True Magic in SAO. Perhaps Argo (as it would be ironic for her to start from 'nothing' and reach the pinnacle of magecraft) but it's the mental image of her standing there: a silhouette filled with static in Aincrad and surrounded by glitches as Cardinal struggled to handle the impossibility. Just speaking to a friend after having had that moment of enlightenment...
Given that those present don't seem to be within the reach of Gaia / Ayala would that make it easier to do this without external 'interference' trying to stop them?
Why? Chlorine Trifluoride is nasty.
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As for reaching a Magic in SAO, good luck. By some chance you reach one through the game and aren't nommed by a Red Shadow IRL you would still have to find some way to survive returning to Gaia's sphere of influence when the World finally realizes "This SoB has Magic, DANGER!"
I foresee Illya throwing a jar of fluorine at a Boss then mixing it with the atmosphere's oxygen to create a cloud of F2O2... Yes gentlemen, Illya with the power of FOOF.
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Given how their souls are in the game, and (if it's a closed of world) they will be outside of Alaya, are the clearers going to come out of this like Soujuurou Shizuki?
Dreitus
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Wouldn't prana dispersal and interference from the boss and its prana make this impractical beyond belief?
There might be some issues but they're not really outside of Alaya since they're still human. The thing about Soujuurou was that he was not influenced by humanity's 'common sense' which meant that he wasn't limited to what that common sense said humans could do. Alaya is more humanity's unconscious will to survive. Being separated by SAO is probably designed to make it easier for adjust to the ways of magi which is also why the players are told that everyone who dies there dies in real life. In order to reinforce the 'illusion' of being in a different world and the magi's creed about walking with death.
No, not really. That's the point, it's shady and fuzzy and you don't realize it's dialogue at first. It's a little artsy but it works.
Anyway. I'm pretty sure Kayaba explained this explicitly in an earlier chapter - fundamentally, even if someone doesn't have Circuits, there's a number of Circuits they would have if they did, the way that people have five fingers even if they get born with an unfortunate mutation that leaves them with four legs or something. Kayaba figured out an alchemy ritual that lets people express those Circuits, which is what he's representing in the game.
Grimlock demonstrates that Kayaba is getting it right, at any rate. I suspect that they're cut off from their real Circuits (see Ilya, who didn't notice the effect until Rin touched her from the outside, though at that point she blew it apart with lol-op-homunculus), but...
Dunno, I'm not going to pretend I know how magic works. It might be so difficult as to be practically impossible, or it might just need some half-assed knowledge of fluid dynamics or error-correcting codes or... some other thing a 16th century alchemist (or an 19th century mage) wouldn't have known. Most isotopes are unstable, so you wouldn't have to get things to turn into anything in particular. (Of course, this works exactly once and the next boss has magical radiation shielding)
Which is why I said they should make FOOF instead.
This is not actually correct. They very idea that Shirou could in any way make nerves function as low quality circuits means that there are ways to make artificial circuits of higher quality. It's just that he was never capable of going beyond simple temporary trash quality. Alchemy could be a way to make higher quality circuits that can be used by a person without them natively. The very fact that Shirou could do such things and not suffer from the inherent soul rot(vampirism) incurred by people mutilating their souls the way typical magi do also lends credence that it is a viable direction of research.
Now, admittedly, taking the circuits from others is a Bad Idea and that does lead to soul rot. It might actually be much better to view it in the sense of donor organs. A child of a magi clan will have a crest that passes through generations and doesn't necessarily have any real downsides beyond the pain of implantation and possible death. This is important because they function like donor organs. Ones transplanted from a parent are often the best matches with the least complications.
It follows then that using alchemy, you can clone nerves and through other means, enhance the nerve into a circuit and then augment it to have a significantly longer lifespan. Bundling it all together into a crest just seems like the next logical step from there. And then you have yourself an artificial magic crest to cast magic through.
The thing is, if it was that easy magi would be all over it already. There needs to be a limit on Shirou's technique - whether it's a matter of being temporary, too unstable, or too week - or else it starts creating continuity problems.
But then you have to consider that generations of magi that would love a way to increase their circuit count and have much more indepth knowledge of the nasuverse magic system than any of us do have failed to do so in any way outside of Crests and good old fashion selective breeding. Maybe one day someone with the Origin and Element of ]Making Magic Circuits] will pop up and use his RM of 'Unlimited Circuits Works' to do so but by all indications it's impossible.
Dreitus
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Don't they call them Magic Crests when they're not hackjobs? Though that probably causes nerve damage if it's properly permanent. Not everyone has Avalon to trivialize that kind of thing.
I would actually like to point to the Einzberns for this one. They create homunculi, artificial humans, with artificial souls, who are said to be essentially made of magic circuits they have so many of them. Who Kiritsugu married into and lived with for several years. The same man who taught Shirou how to craft his own circuits out of his own nerves. It's entirely possible that this is an Einzbern technique in the same way that Rin's gemcraft is.
EDIT: It's also worth noting that every time you do this you end up taking your life in your hands for the basic level. It is significantly dangerous to preform on yourself and is unlikely to work if it's someone else doing it for you. The cost benefit doesn't really pan out unless you have a way of extracting or cloning nerves and then augmenting them into circuits. After all, failure means being crippled at best and experimenting on yourself doesn't do wonders for the possibility of an extended lineage.
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Well, at the same time, you need to keep Shirou's theme in mind. Shirou is a guy that, due to circumstances, end up picking basic or super dangerous spells and developing them well beyond what any sane person would. Moreover, the only reason he was able to develop the Artificial Circuit spell to the extent he did is because of Avalon. That's a Noble Phantasm that's SO OP even Ea doesn't work against it.
Likewise, the only reason Argo is able to work on refining the Nerve To Circuit spell is because her virtual body regenerate all damages, including nerves. If she had tried this IRL, she'd be a crippled mess if not dead.
THIS is the strength of the SAO Survivors! The fact that in the end, they're able to push the boundaries of their magecraft much faster then they should as the risks compared to doing their research IRL have a much higher threshold.
Prince Charon
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He's going to have an interesting time when he wakes up on Game Clear. I wonder how long it will be before the doctors even allow him to try to keep his oath (assuming he thinks it applies in the [Real World]; given that he'll have actual working magecraft still, he might).
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Yes. Well, I've been posting back and forth with Ravraxas over at TFF about this, basically I'm trying to glide over too much stuff with not enough sentences.
Ha ha yeah, I counted over to Platinum by accident and lost track of where I was going.
That's pretty much exactly how we extract them now IRL actually, except it's by fractionation in a crucible, not centrifugation. Well, basically -- I'm not in that industry so I don't know details.
Also it's parts per billion, so the ratio is more like 10 platinum/iridium/etc to something like 9,999,999,990 iron/nickel for the ratio.
Those are the kinds of ratios that Cardinal obnoxiously imported from the real world as a reference.
This is a big spoiler, so no comment.
Theoretically yes I suppose, but that level of spiritual reconstruction means the result would be a different person, not "you".
Sounds good, I'm taking it LOL.
Actually, and this is gonna come out a bit rough, I was right and your correction was wrong.
The stock market is the exchange of company stocks, fractional ownership shares.
The spot market is the exchange of physical commodities where ownership is immediately transferred -- eg on the spot. (As opposed to speculating in the futures market.)
So buying bullion is a spot market purchase, it doesn't have anything to do with stocks.
As far as Kayaba could take it LOL
That depends entirely on how you go about it and how you define "yourself." I prefer to imagine the soul in the nasuverse as a spiritual equivalent of the body. It is just as differentiated as the human body and has structure not unlike the skeleton/organs of the body and as such, it's entirely possible to make spiritual prosthesis. Rin even likens the transfer of a magical crest to an organ transplant with all of the associated dangers. It follows then, that doing the equivalent of adding a prosthesis to the spiritual side doesn't necessarily change who you are any more than getting a limb replaced. Though, with that line of reasoning we are getting into territory better associated with Ghost in the Shell rather than SAO or F/SN. But then, I can totally see a faction devoted to such transhumanism popping up in SAO if they knew it was possible. Hell, they may even stumble onto it by accident by trying to "refine" their souls through meditation in an imitation of something from Manga or folklore.
And yet there is no indication yet that players need to poop. Boy would that be a sucky update. "Secondary body functions enabled along with persistent corpses." Adventuring just got very messy and smelly. Admit it some allowances were made for the sake of play-ability. Its a very short list of people who can smile and wander a field of dead abandoned voided monster and player corpses left to rot in the sun.