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moratorium, no voting please.
Exiled Dragons: A Viserys Targaryen Quest
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A pity Viserys will not accompany Alesander for a while longer. He is a rather fascinating man.
Even more of a pity that Mopatis already knows of the theft. I had hoped to help his rivals ensure his downfall.
The answer must be considered carefully. It will decide everything.
Being honest with Stannis is best. As to the reasons, I think it would be a combination of duty and not wanting the family legacy to die out. These reasons are ones Stannis can understand and respect. About feeling lost and wanting to go home, well, given Stannis' own exile, I think he can empathize.
As for Robert, well, Viserys needs to make a point of being a better man than Robert, and it means justice instead of revenge.
Hm, I think it would be best to tell Stannis that if Robert is taken alive, he will be given a fair trial. Then ask Stannis for his earnest answer. Considering what happened at Pyke, and if the Dragon's Screams are truly Robert's own doing, can he truly say execution is not warranted?
Perhaps concede to Stannis that the Wall may be a possibility, but can Stannis guarantee that Robert will not rebel and plunge Westeros into more strife, given his hatred of the Targaryen line?
Even more of a pity that Mopatis already knows of the theft. I had hoped to help his rivals ensure his downfall.
The answer must be considered carefully. It will decide everything.
Being honest with Stannis is best. As to the reasons, I think it would be a combination of duty and not wanting the family legacy to die out. These reasons are ones Stannis can understand and respect. About feeling lost and wanting to go home, well, given Stannis' own exile, I think he can empathize.
As for Robert, well, Viserys needs to make a point of being a better man than Robert, and it means justice instead of revenge.
Hm, I think it would be best to tell Stannis that if Robert is taken alive, he will be given a fair trial. Then ask Stannis for his earnest answer. Considering what happened at Pyke, and if the Dragon's Screams are truly Robert's own doing, can he truly say execution is not warranted?
Perhaps concede to Stannis that the Wall may be a possibility, but can Stannis guarantee that Robert will not rebel and plunge Westeros into more strife, given his hatred of the Targaryen line?
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Well... he's my Expy of Alexander the Great, and the Russians who conquered the Steppes in Russia.
His life is not going to be long... or even successful. Or profitable.
Illyrio was Varys partner... he'd figure it out quicker then most. But's he's already rich and powerful as Magistrate of Pentos... he'll get his money back.
Yes... Considerably.
I think that's the best Angle.
Another Thing to consider may be that Robert would very likely rather die on the Battlefield then surrender to or be captured by Targaryen-Supporters.
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[] "I would take the throne, too restore my home too what it should have been: A Paradise. I hold no love for your brother, but I would kill him not out of malicious hate, but rather too free him of the Madness that has consumed him and everyone else who has ever sat on the Iron Throne. I want the Throne, so that I can destroy it and free it's grip on the world."
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I think that we should add something like, that we understand Robert´s reasons to rebel against the Mad King, but that if what they told about the Dragon´s Scream is true he has become a monster, much like his own father and that it has to be stopped...
True, but if we offer him to surrender and he decides to die in battle that´s on him...
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Yes, include assuring Stannis that Robert will be given a genuine chance to surrender and a subsequent fair trial, but if Robert chooses to die fighting, it is his own responsibility.
Also assure Stannis that Viserys understands that Aerys' madness was tearing the Realm apart and had to be stopped. Concede that Robert and Eddard's reasons for the initial rebellion were justified, given their legitimate grievances, but also note that what Robert did after the Rebellion was not justified.
Observe that Robert seems to be turning into a monster like Aerys, and Robert is repeating history, with his own madness tearing apart Westeros and harming and maiming so many innocent people, with an ocean of blood left in Robert's wake.
Also assure Stannis that Viserys understands that Aerys' madness was tearing the Realm apart and had to be stopped. Concede that Robert and Eddard's reasons for the initial rebellion were justified, given their legitimate grievances, but also note that what Robert did after the Rebellion was not justified.
Observe that Robert seems to be turning into a monster like Aerys, and Robert is repeating history, with his own madness tearing apart Westeros and harming and maiming so many innocent people, with an ocean of blood left in Robert's wake.
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Apologies for the novella, it just kept growing, and I don't feel good cutting any of it, else I would have.
[X] An answer for an answer, Stannis: knowing what he has done and has had done, to my family and to countless others guilty of no higher crime than passably looking like me and Rhaegar; knowing what he does in the face of any slight, any dispute, any questioning, anything less than total obeisance and prostration; knowing his vices and vitriol leave the Seven Kingdoms in the hands of a man embodying all the worst men of our blood into one -- Maegor's cruelty and wrath, Aegon the Unworthy's gluttony and avarice, Aerys' fury, madness and bloodlust ... knowing all this: would you chance him ever returning to power? Chance his malice to rain down upon those you love?To unleashing his wrath tenfold upon those highborn or low who did not sufficiently humour his whims or, gods save them, any poor souls that stood against him? There are men you can save, Stannis, and there are men you have to stop. Robert crossed the line between them long ago, and wades ever deeper at every opportunity. He is in so far in blood that sin plucks on sin. Yesterday he butchers the Ironborn, today descendants of Valyria ... who is tomorrow?
You know of me, now, Stannis, know who I am and what I am. I have no love for power or thirst for a hollow crown. If none of this had happened, I could have lived out my life in Essos as Valarr Vaeltigar: peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy. I was never meant for the Throne, and if you cannot tell by now how far I am from the wanting of it, no words of mine will persuade you. But every dawn, my sister, my nephew, my distant kin in Westeros wonder if it will be their last, if they are to be sacrificed to Robert's rage and wrath. Every dusk, lords fear what riders may come to take something more from them to sate Robert's desires. Every night, ladies cry themselves to sleep fearing what might be done to them or their children for some imagined slight or demanded hostage. Morning, evening and night, my people weep, my people bleed, my people fear what the next hour may bring. No one has risen to stop him, no one can rise to stop him, unless I stand before them, with them, for them. If I do nothing, if I leave Robert on the Throne to do his will, my peoples' blood and tears fall upon my hands, too. I have to stop him, because if I cannot then no one can, and if I do not then no one will. No one else can stop him, and nothing less than death will stop him; he will never express remorse or regret, he will never back down, he will never surrender, and he will never stop. I must lead the stand against him and I must end him.
My duty, my responsibility is to my family and to my people, to see them safe and free; to see the darkness of this time, and the previous time it is natural heir to, meet its end; to see the light of wisdom and the flame of truth return to my homeland, a new era for sanity and peace. What is yours, Stannis?
[X] An answer for an answer, Stannis: knowing what he has done and has had done, to my family and to countless others guilty of no higher crime than passably looking like me and Rhaegar; knowing what he does in the face of any slight, any dispute, any questioning, anything less than total obeisance and prostration; knowing his vices and vitriol leave the Seven Kingdoms in the hands of a man embodying all the worst men of our blood into one -- Maegor's cruelty and wrath, Aegon the Unworthy's gluttony and avarice, Aerys' fury, madness and bloodlust ... knowing all this: would you chance him ever returning to power? Chance his malice to rain down upon those you love?To unleashing his wrath tenfold upon those highborn or low who did not sufficiently humour his whims or, gods save them, any poor souls that stood against him? There are men you can save, Stannis, and there are men you have to stop. Robert crossed the line between them long ago, and wades ever deeper at every opportunity. He is in so far in blood that sin plucks on sin. Yesterday he butchers the Ironborn, today descendants of Valyria ... who is tomorrow?
You know of me, now, Stannis, know who I am and what I am. I have no love for power or thirst for a hollow crown. If none of this had happened, I could have lived out my life in Essos as Valarr Vaeltigar: peaceful, useful, prosperous and happy. I was never meant for the Throne, and if you cannot tell by now how far I am from the wanting of it, no words of mine will persuade you. But every dawn, my sister, my nephew, my distant kin in Westeros wonder if it will be their last, if they are to be sacrificed to Robert's rage and wrath. Every dusk, lords fear what riders may come to take something more from them to sate Robert's desires. Every night, ladies cry themselves to sleep fearing what might be done to them or their children for some imagined slight or demanded hostage. Morning, evening and night, my people weep, my people bleed, my people fear what the next hour may bring. No one has risen to stop him, no one can rise to stop him, unless I stand before them, with them, for them. If I do nothing, if I leave Robert on the Throne to do his will, my peoples' blood and tears fall upon my hands, too. I have to stop him, because if I cannot then no one can, and if I do not then no one will. No one else can stop him, and nothing less than death will stop him; he will never express remorse or regret, he will never back down, he will never surrender, and he will never stop. I must lead the stand against him and I must end him.
My duty, my responsibility is to my family and to my people, to see them safe and free; to see the darkness of this time, and the previous time it is natural heir to, meet its end; to see the light of wisdom and the flame of truth return to my homeland, a new era for sanity and peace. What is yours, Stannis?
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I still think that we should tell him that in the case he surrenders or is captured we will give him a fair trial, and assure him that we understand Robert´s Rebellion but we that he has become just as bad as Aerys...
While I think it would be good for Robert to get a fair trial I think if we told Stannis this he would think we are just placating him. After all, what any type of trial that is set up by the new regime for the old one will most likely be seen as a farce.
The Lion of The Rock
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The news came slowly at first, the news of rumors did not interest you. The words were hollow, as all the men waggled tongues of rumors and gossip. They held not a kernel of truth in those rumors.
There couldn't be, for they were just that. Rumors. If you trusted the rumors than your own intelligence, you would have sullied off into the Rock and never came out at the madness that was befalling that of your son Jaime.
He had already ruined his reputation twice over, first by killing his king, a service that was dutifully respected by the incoming regime of Robert Baratheon, and rewarded when Cersei became queen. Jaime may have been branded as a kingslayer, but you could have gotten him back if Jaime hadn't been so stubborn, and foolish as to remain.
He was hated, despised, for breaking an oath that should have no bearing on the remainder of his life, if he were to have left.
Yet he stayed… for what? Tattered honor? A knighthood that was stained in the blood of a king? His own delusions?
It boggled your mind that you were constantly asking Robert to dismiss him from the kingsguard, so that you would have your heir returned to you.
Yet, out of the blue, he requested leave… you thought he had seen the error in his decisions. To finally be the son you wanted him to be.
Yet he fled to the east, for adventure and glory.
Away from you.
For the longest time, you hunted him, trying to get him to return.
Than Valarr Vaeltigar happened.
First, it was the kidnapping by pirates… than Valyria, than Lys…
Wherever that madman went, Jaime seemed to follow, completely under the spell of a man who was… a fool.
You had always watched out for men like Valarr Vaeltigar. They were the most dangerous kinds of men.
They did not care for honor, glory, riches. Only adventure, and legend.
It was a pity that he did not die in Valyria… perhaps Jaime would have realized that his ambitions and dreams were fleeting… and he would take responsibility for his own actions.
Perhaps he would finally realize he was destroying the Family name.
"Lord Tywin." one of his servants stated, causing you to look up from the documents on your desk. "It's about Jaime."
Your heart skipped a beat. "Show the report."
"It's not a report ser… news from Volantis." Oh no. You prepared for the worst. "Jaime has slain the Khals of the Dothraki. He is hailed as a hero in the east."
You said nothing… did nothing, except stare at the wall, and contemplate… many things.
Finally, you breathed. "Anything else?"
"He serves King Viserys Targaryen." Your servant stated.
"Leave me." You ordered.
No one in the Rock would hear you scream in anger… nor cry at your son's foolishness. No one.
AN:
I'm going to be honest... It's not my best work.
I mean, I did write it in only ten minutes, but still. Not the best.
Enjoy.
(Tywin POV)
The news came slowly at first, the news of rumors did not interest you. The words were hollow, as all the men waggled tongues of rumors and gossip. They held not a kernel of truth in those rumors.
There couldn't be, for they were just that. Rumors. If you trusted the rumors than your own intelligence, you would have sullied off into the Rock and never came out at the madness that was befalling that of your son Jaime.
He had already ruined his reputation twice over, first by killing his king, a service that was dutifully respected by the incoming regime of Robert Baratheon, and rewarded when Cersei became queen. Jaime may have been branded as a kingslayer, but you could have gotten him back if Jaime hadn't been so stubborn, and foolish as to remain.
He was hated, despised, for breaking an oath that should have no bearing on the remainder of his life, if he were to have left.
Yet he stayed… for what? Tattered honor? A knighthood that was stained in the blood of a king? His own delusions?
It boggled your mind that you were constantly asking Robert to dismiss him from the kingsguard, so that you would have your heir returned to you.
Yet, out of the blue, he requested leave… you thought he had seen the error in his decisions. To finally be the son you wanted him to be.
Yet he fled to the east, for adventure and glory.
Away from you.
For the longest time, you hunted him, trying to get him to return.
Than Valarr Vaeltigar happened.
First, it was the kidnapping by pirates… than Valyria, than Lys…
Wherever that madman went, Jaime seemed to follow, completely under the spell of a man who was… a fool.
You had always watched out for men like Valarr Vaeltigar. They were the most dangerous kinds of men.
They did not care for honor, glory, riches. Only adventure, and legend.
It was a pity that he did not die in Valyria… perhaps Jaime would have realized that his ambitions and dreams were fleeting… and he would take responsibility for his own actions.
Perhaps he would finally realize he was destroying the Family name.
"Lord Tywin." one of his servants stated, causing you to look up from the documents on your desk. "It's about Jaime."
Your heart skipped a beat. "Show the report."
"It's not a report ser… news from Volantis." Oh no. You prepared for the worst. "Jaime has slain the Khals of the Dothraki. He is hailed as a hero in the east."
You said nothing… did nothing, except stare at the wall, and contemplate… many things.
Finally, you breathed. "Anything else?"
"He serves King Viserys Targaryen." Your servant stated.
"Leave me." You ordered.
No one in the Rock would hear you scream in anger… nor cry at your son's foolishness. No one.
AN:
I'm going to be honest... It's not my best work.
I mean, I did write it in only ten minutes, but still. Not the best.
Enjoy.
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Well we're getting rid of tywin and replacing him with Tyrion
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Neither Viserys nor Stannis is stupid; Robert will never surrender, not to us. The only possibility of that is if Ned took him, and even then it's slim -- Robert is a man who would rather die on his feet than live at another's mercy.
And talking about the Rebellion really isn't necessary; if your stated reason for opposing him, for standing to fight and unseat him, is about his actions and his unsuitability, you already understand why the Rebellion happened* and why it's the same justification now. No need to spoonfeed Stannis something that we're demonstrating we already know.
*well, officially. lbr the rebellion happened in large part because Robert and Rickard couldn't control or understand Lyanna. that, and Jon Arryn had more loyalty than sense
And because Aerys was bat-shit insane, don't forget that Part.
Well, Tywin, I would feel sorry for you, but... I just can't bring myself to do so after all you have done in your Life. Enjoy your suffering.
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No not making Tyrion a lord paramount.
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Jaime's been our loyal companion, we have to offer the westerlands to him first at least. He probably doesn't want it but we need to give him the option.
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Even then we should leave open the possibility of having an unlikely scenario of Robert surviving.
Stannis is still Robert´s brother, and even if there is no love between them Fraternal bonds are a hell of a thing.
Well, I think that is more because Rhaegar decided to abandon her wife and kids and elope with Lyanna, and Aerys was fucking insane and burnt alive the guys who went to King´s Landing when they asked for explanations.
I mean the Rebellion happened in 95% cause of the Targaryen and their whole inbreeding gig... I mean it was already pretty bad with Europe´s monarchies and the whole marrying cousins, but incest is a very bad idea from a genetic point of view...
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If Jaime returns to the Kingsguard, as he seems to intend, then Tyrion is the only choice. There is a simpler workaround, where we name him our Master of Coin and Kevan acts as LP in his stead; the man is competent and dutiful, and not nearly the remorseless schemer Tywin is. I don't know why you have this hostility to the idea of Tyrion as Lord Paramount, though -- he's as competent as Tywin and Kevan, and more clever than Kevan by a mile.
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When we reform the kingsgaurd we should make the primary members of the kingsgaurd serve for a fixed term, and they can either choose to renew their vows for the next term that lasts for about 4 or 5 years or they can leave and free to have lands and titles. Also, when they are to old we ahod honourably discharge them.
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Well, if we wanted tywin's support... we could always offer to marry Cersei after her husband meets his unfortunate end. Then he gets his blood on the throne with us instead.
Not that we should, but you have to admit it would be interesting.
Not that we should, but you have to admit it would be interesting.
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Forgive me, but let me laugh.
MUHAHAHAHAHA
She would kill us if we married her.