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[Exalted/SMT] Shard of a Broken Sun

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tq343 said:
Wait, why would that be impossible?
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Not impossible per se, but the Primordial of Hope, if it existed, would have prevented basically all of Exalted canon. The Primordials wouldn't have become such huge dicks, since they would have found Hope to counter Despair. They probably would have continued on there adventures throughout all of existence, wandering here and there, as the original adventurers they truly were.

History would have been altered so radically by Hopes existence it wouldn't even be funny.

Do you know Why the Primordials sought the Shining Answer so hard? Because SWLIHN invented Despair, and shared it with everyone. Then they tried to find something to counteract the Despair. This was the Shining Answer, Hope.

I mean, it's not Entirely impossible for Hope Primordial to have existed naturally. It just didn't happen.
 
Darik29 said:
Not impossible per se, but the Primordial of Hope, if it existed, would have prevented basically all of Exalted canon. The Primordials wouldn't have become such huge dicks, since they would have found Hope to counter Despair. They probably would have continued on there adventures throughout all of existence, wandering here and there, as the original adventurers they truly were.

History would have been altered so radically by Hopes existence it wouldn't even be funny.

Do you know Why the Primordials sought the Shining Answer so hard? Because SWLIHN invented Despair, and shared it with everyone. Then they tried to find something to counteract the Despair. This was the Shining Answer, Hope.

I mean, it's not Entirely impossible for Hope Primordial to have existed naturally. It just didn't happen.
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Wasn't aware of that... now I have a devil-tiger concept for when I get my books back.
 
Hm. Amu could use some more willpower regeneration, but earning her acceptance is going to be kind of a pain if we don't do it before she gets Conviction 3 or higher. And I doubt anyone but Dia will be onboard for trying to get a Cult rating.

What does "mind/body interactions" actually mean?
 
Baughn said:
I've actually explained why, OOC...

Well, maybe not. Calling that an "explanation" might be a bit of an exaggeration. Hmm... it would be possible for you to figure it out, but perhaps only by understanding my usual themes better. Never mind.
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Hm, so the odd behavior of JWT is mostly because of that "Essence-backed attack affecting demons" thing?

...anyway, adding heart-beam to prior vote as actual project.
Winged One said:
...that sounds like something we should do science to before it becomes an issue.
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SCIENCE!!!
 
Winged One said:
...that sounds like something we should do science to before it becomes an issue.
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It's standard, for SMT humanity. Minds are fundamental, FSVO "fundamental", but certainly more so than the apparent physics and biology of their bodies. You know, electromagnetics and such. That stuff is all made up by Kagutsuchi.

Also, last call for votes; I'll call the vote in ~2 hours. Alectai's write-in research is something you can do in addition to a second project, if you want, but you don't have to. At the moment it appears you won't.
 
Hmm...

[x] Alectai
- [x] Mind/Body interactions.

Might find something that would help in fixing the first? Worth a try, at any rate.
 
[X] Focus on understanding Amu's soul
- [X] There is sufficient circumstantial evidence that our presence is causing negative side effects. The results of a single battle should not have been this taxing, even with the usage of a technique like the heart-beam--which also should not have caused the ripples in reality that it did... Finally, simply observing the Demon should not have opened an avenue for it to observe Amu in turn, there are Rules here it seemed that interacted in a negative fashion with your own. Conduct a careful study of the nature of the world as it interacts with Amu, and devise means to reduce the friction. (TL;DR, we're observing the world, but we're focusing on the metaphysics and structure as it interacts with our host, so we can try to avoid breaking something)
- [X] Ways to make the charas more independent.

[X] Let them in. Potentially risky.
 
Switching my vote to include Alectais write in.


[X] Focus on understanding Amu's soul
- [X] There is sufficient circumstantial evidence that our presence is causing negative side effects. The results of a single battle should not have been this taxing, even with the usage of a technique like the heart-beam--which also should not have caused the ripples in reality that it did... Finally, simply observing the Demon should not have opened an avenue for it to observe Amu in turn, there are Rules here it seemed that interacted in a negative fashion with your own. Conduct a careful study of the nature of the world as it interacts with Amu, and devise means to reduce the friction. (TL;DR, we're observing the world, but we're focusing on the metaphysics and structure as it interacts with our host, so we can try to avoid breaking something)
- [X] Ways to make the charas more independent.

[X] Let them in. Potentially risky.


Want Solar Primordial. So. Very. Much.
 
[X] Focus on understanding Amu's soul
- [X] There is sufficient circumstantial evidence that our presence is causing negative side effects. The results of a single battle should not have been this taxing, even with the usage of a technique like the heart-beam--which also should not have caused the ripples in reality that it did... Finally, simply observing the Demon should not have opened an avenue for it to observe Amu in turn, there are Rules here it seemed that interacted in a negative fashion with your own. Conduct a careful study of the nature of the world as it interacts with Amu, and devise means to reduce the friction. (TL;DR, we're observing the world, but we're focusing on the metaphysics and structure as it interacts with our host, so we can try to avoid breaking something)
- [X] How Miki was able to hear the exaltation from far away.

[X] Let them in. Potentially risky.

On the basis that ~hidden options~ are good, I'd like to double down on them.
 
It seems kind of obvious that Miki heard us from far away because she knows everything Amu does, but I suppose it's good to know that IC.
 
Winged One said:
It seems kind of obvious that Miki heard us from far away because she knows everything Amu does, but I suppose it's good to know that IC.
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She isn't aware of it. Fixing that could be a simple improvement. I hope so, since it's looking like we aren't going to have research time to spare.
 
pressea said:
[X] Focus on understanding Amu's soul
- [X] There is sufficient circumstantial evidence that our presence is causing negative side effects. The results of a single battle should not have been this taxing, even with the usage of a technique like the heart-beam--which also should not have caused the ripples in reality that it did... Finally, simply observing the Demon should not have opened an avenue for it to observe Amu in turn, there are Rules here it seemed that interacted in a negative fashion with your own. Conduct a careful study of the nature of the world as it interacts with Amu, and devise means to reduce the friction. (TL;DR, we're observing the world, but we're focusing on the metaphysics and structure as it interacts with our host, so we can try to avoid breaking something)
- [X] How Miki was able to hear the exaltation from far away.

[X] Let them in. Potentially risky.

On the basis that ~hidden options~ are good, I'd like to double down on them.
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Seconding that, figuring out how the Chara can hear us too might be useful.
 
You... managed a five-way tie. What.

...

Okay. This once, I will roll a dice. And the winner is:

[X] Focus on understanding Amu's soul
- [X] There is sufficient circumstantial evidence that our presence is causing negative side effects. The results of a single battle should not have been this taxing, even with the usage of a technique like the heart-beam--which also should not have caused the ripples in reality that it did... Finally, simply observing the Demon should not have opened an avenue for it to observe Amu in turn, there are Rules here it seemed that interacted in a negative fashion with your own. Conduct a careful study of the nature of the world as it interacts with Amu, and devise means to reduce the friction. (TL;DR, we're observing the world, but we're focusing on the metaphysics and structure as it interacts with our host, so we can try to avoid breaking something)
- [X] Ways to make the charas more independent.

[X] Let them in. Potentially risky.

Oh, dear lord. Oh well, at least I get a cookie. Yay!

This should be fun.
 
That's not ominous at all~

Out of curiosity, what are the Charas' stats? Do they have their own, or would they be Amu+modifiers? Or would this be something that would need to be researched?
 
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That's not ominous at all~

Out of curiosity, what are the Charas' stats? Do they have their own, or would they be Amu+modifiers? Or would this be something that would need to be researched?
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Their stats are Amu's stats, plus their particular bonuses, minus physical attributes and anything she gets from the exaltation. (In real time, that is-charms and such.)

For example, Miki's intelligence attribute is five, though that's modified by her being ten.
 
Baughn said:
Their stats are Amu's stats, plus their particular bonuses, minus physical attributes and anything she gets from the exaltation. (In real time, that is-charms and such.)

For example, Miki's intelligence attribute is five, though that's modified by her being ten.
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So, the Charas have Amu's pre-Exaltation virtue spread?

Also, why is your avatar's head on fire?
 
With Dream-Affirming Projection, are their Physical Attributes still at zero?

Hm... giving them Amu's Physical Attributes might be something we'd get as far as DAP upgrades go...
 
Winged One said:
So, the Charas have Amu's pre-Exaltation virtue spread?
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The way to think about this is... any permanent change the exaltation made to Amu also sticks to her charas, while anything depending on it remaining attached (forgetting, for a moment, that it can't really go away) doesn't.

So they have the same virtues, mental attributes, and mostly the same abilities, but Miki can't e.g. use Amu's charms or excellencies.
Also, why is your avatar's head on fire?
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What? Panicked clapping.

...my head is not on fire. Why would you say such a thing?
Quantumboost said:
With Dream-Affirming Projection, are their Physical Attributes still at zero?
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DAP did improve their physical scores a little, but they're still below the requirement for a single dot in strength, and they're not all that dextrous fliers either. Stamina is hobbled by being miniature dream-things, but hopefully won't come up.

Miki can pick up a pen, though she prefers to use her own properly sized dream-stuff pens. Ran can probably bench-press a cup of water, which is actually quite impressive at her size.
 
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