[Exalted, ?] Most High

Fuck it, I've been convinced. The fact that we'll get to pick the level of fidelity makes this better for me, so we can dial things back a little bit.

And... Well, that scene where Odyssial tells a Chosen of Endings that there isn't always an Ending really sticks out to me.


[X] Reincarnation Planning
 
Hopefully he wont so we can take part in the glory that is companions and not let all our options but one turn to ash and that one is a ruin to boot. Why would Olyssian want to just leave a single city and nation as an example? His legacy and goals are not that small! The world is to cruel and clashes with the ideal, he will find a way to change that even if he have to defeat Death itself and take untold ages to finish it.

This isn't about what Odyssial wanted, I'm sure he didn't want to die and then see what would happen to creation in the epochs after the usurpation. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

This choice is about which one he wanted more. Preperations for his death and imperfect ( in the sense he dosen't retain all his memories, skills ect) reincarnation or what was important now. A fortress city, pinnacle of civilisation. Concrete, here and now. Odyssial is a dawn cast, one with a great vision but nonetheless a warrior. This is the choice he would have made.
 
The city was the closest thing to Utopia ever. It is the results. Sure it never came to encompass all of creation and beyond and Odyssials dreams never can fruition but that doesn't mean the best man to complete now is Odyssial. His vision can stand on it's own legs. If it Odyssials who continues to carry the torch it shows the conviction of one man. If it continues without him, past his death it has become more then that.
Unfortunately, without the memories and experiences, he would be firstly, treading the same paths Odyssial has already trodden and found wanting.

After all, Odyssial had already tried all these things once upon a time. He knows that they failed, and knowing that, can arrive at why they failed, and take a whole new approach to prevent failure.

Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it, and with the same essence, same soul, such would be more true than most.
 
Fuck it, I've been convinced. The fact that we'll get to pick the level of fidelity makes this better for me, so we can dial things back a little bit.

And... Well, that scene where Odyssial tells a Chosen of Endings that there isn't always an Ending really sticks out to me.


[X] Reincarnation Planning

Noooo, have resolve!
 
You think Odyssial would accept death before knowing for a fact that his dream came true. Especially when even he the first dawn, the military leader of the Entire Exalted Host, the Subduer of the Wyld, the Most High who had friends and allies in all the types of exalted and was feared and respected by the entirety of Creation was cut down before he could achieve it?

Please. Odyissial is not one to lead things to chance if he doesn't have to.

I know the Odyissial PR machine is great but seriously without the social charms you should be safe beyond the 4th wall.

i.e. I think you're being swept up in the legend of Odyssial a bit too much
 
This choice is about which one he wanted more. Preperations for his death and imperfect ( in the sense he dosen't retain all his memories, skills ect) reincarnation or what was important now. A fortress city, pinnacle of civilisation. Concrete, here and now. Odyssial is a dawn cast, one with a great vision but nonetheless a warrior. This is the choice he would have made.

I find it rather amusing by deriding an 'imperfect' option in favor of another just as if not more flawed option. Anyway he was a warrior, is one less of a warrior for learning to parry blows rather than assuming he'll always kill someone before they can strike him? That's all he's doing here, except he's parrying death itself.
 
This isn't about what Odyssial wanted, I'm sure he didn't want to die and then see what would happen to creation in the epochs after the usurpation. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

This choice is about which one he wanted more. Preperations for his death and imperfect ( in the sense he dosen't retain all his memories, skills ect) reincarnation or what was important now. A fortress city, pinnacle of civilisation. Concrete, here and now. Odyssial is a dawn cast, one with a great vision but nonetheless a warrior. This is the choice he would have made.
The transient and never truly completed ruin versus forging an agent for all of eternity who is dedicated enough, informed enough, and proven strong enough to complete his works?

The sun may set, but there will always be another Dawn after the night.
 
Noooo, have resolve!
I'm sorry Alectai I tried! The arguments were just too good! and... well this:
"What do you see?" She asked, and in her voice was the tiniest waver of uncertainty. "What will we make?"

"I see..." Odyssial mused, feeling oddly hopeful, "A long, long path ahead, winding and uncertain. We will make many mistakes. We will stumble. We will fail. Many of us will fall, to the blades of our enemies or our own incapacity. I see ruin, and devastation, new horrors such as have never touched the world before. But we will learn from our mistakes. When we stumble, we'll correct our footing. From what does not kill us, we will emerge stronger. We will grow. And one day, a far day from today, the world will be a better place than it was the day before. And the next day, better again. And the next, and the next, and the next, and then one day, we'll turn around and we'll see that this world, it's not so bad as it used to be, it's not so cruel to be born here. One day at a time, into the golden forever."

"Oh, Ody," The maiden had sat down on his shoulder, feet kicking in the wind. Her voice broke, ever so slightly. "That's beautiful. I, I truly hope we can be what you dream, but, but - "

"There's always an ending," said the maiden.

"Not always," said Odyssial.
 
Fuck it, where is my 'Odyssial reincarnates as a Peerless City' option?!

"ODYSSIAL PRIME, ONLINE"

Still, I think just about every argument that can be made has been made. I do wish there was a better job explaining the advantages of the City to give us more to work with, but I guess at this point, it all comes down to Rihaku's whim.
 
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This isn't about what Odyssial wanted, I'm sure he didn't want to die and then see what would happen to creation in the epochs after the usurpation. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

This choice is about which one he wanted more. Preperations for his death and imperfect ( in the sense he dosen't retain all his memories, skills ect) reincarnation or what was important now. A fortress city, pinnacle of civilisation. Concrete, here and now. Odyssial is a dawn cast, one with a great vision but nonetheless a warrior. This is the choice he would have made.

It has always been about Odyssial´s ideals and what he wanted ofc he did not want to die but he knew he could so the took the precautions he needed for it. Once again his dreams and ambition is not so small that it can be contained in a single city. He knew this as the Strategos and the Most High found a way to continue his works in the future. A maybe flawed reincarnation of himself is the ultimate way that leads to victory not a broken city and his broken people that need their leader now more then ever.
 
It disappeared. Was ruined by the steady march of time. What remains is but a pale shadow of a corpse, devoid of the great people that inhabited it once. That doesn't even come close to what Odyssial intended.
And the vision can stand on its own legs in a world where everything isn't fucked up forever. Sadly, this is Creation, and it requires a more... personal touch.

Seriously fuck the city being our legacy. Our legacy will be that golden forever we imagined. A place where
Kindness isn't seen as weakness and punished for it. Where uncaring rulers destroy their citizens on whims. Where people can grow happy and free without worrying about some asshole killing them for shits and giggles. And we're going to personally ensure that happens even if it means giving the finger to Death.

Odyssial isn't about to give up because something is hard or seems impossible. He didn't back when he helped his tribe survive, he didn't wen he avenged his tribe, and he sure as he'll won't now. He might have lost the battle but he damn well will win the war.
 
It's poetic, isn't it?

They said that no man could defeat death. That nothing could defeat death. That all things must end.

That there was no way it was possible.

We made a Way.
 
Sorry I got to go. I would love to continuing arguing my point of view but it's pretty late over here.

I guess I'll find out the result tomorrow morning

PS. Rihaku The Odyssial PR machine is too freaking good! Sweeps the player base from beyond 4th wall
 
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What about them? Odyssial's hun is Ulyssian's hun. The same seat of consciousness and font of reason is used in both individuals, and their attributes and goals already overlap to a frankly uncanny degree.
And yet the experiences which defined him are lost forever, certainly Ulyssian would have always been an ambitious man with an iron will but if it weren't for Terrestrial Exaltation passing him by would he have ever become so similar to Odyssial?
 
The transient and never truly completed ruin versus forging an agent for all of eternity who is dedicated enough, informed enough, and proven strong enough to complete his works?

The sun may set, but there will always be another Dawn after the night.

This reminds me. This is like a repeat of the prelude.

The sun has once more set on Odyissial and he now faces death an enemy that he cannot beat.
However Larsyifex was also an enemy he could not beat and with sheer force of will and his own strength he fought him for an entire night. Not stopping until his body could move no longer yet he did not give up and for his defiance he was rewarded with a second chance as the first dawn appeared and he exalted.

Just as he did as a Mortal Odyissial shall fight until his body is no more but his will shall live on and it is though his defiance that he once again get a second chance and another dawn will approach for him as he overcomes another enemy that should be impossible for him to beat. Odyissial always finds a way.
 
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