[Exalted, ?] Most High

"There's always an ending," said the maiden.

"Not always," said Odyssial.

Most has been said in favor of the Reincarnation Planning that can be brought up. But some seem to not want to continue the story, the Iliad has ended that is true both the Odyssey is about to start and I loath to throw away the main character. Because that is what it is Uly/Ody is the main character the same soul, the same way of life, one a little more jaded but still easily recognizable as the same base mindset. Picking this option wont kill or overwrite Uly´s character it is just slowly adding more memories of himself. Peerless city wont add as much as the full might and knowledge of Ody imparted into his reincarnation. Heck the city might not even recognize Uly as its master with a to diluted incarnation.
 
As well all the rose options and the fairest would be gone.

It's be a waste. Besides, Lea and Fairest can take care of things while Odyssial is away.
 
It's a city of such magnificence that the resources and dedication of THE first age solar didn't complete it. I'm surprised it didn't replace the Blessed Isle or something as the seat of the Realm. Having even an incomplete version is an enormous boon. The memories are going to be there in some fashion whether we vote reincarnation or not, we may not be as Odyssial as Odyssial, but there's going to be something there as a result of other choices. Without this choice we are homeless.
 
[X] Peerless City
Why did Odyssial fight the Primordials? Because he hated them. And why did he hate them?
Because a deva of the Second Circle destroyed his tribe. That's the reason. It seems to me that Odyssial did not want to be the best he could solely because he wanted to be the best he could. I'm not an expert on him, (I've only read the first Quest) but I would like to think, at least in part, he sought to be the best to make a better world. He didn't make the Peerless City solely as a final defense. It was an attempt to make a better world. Not for the great, but for the small.
He realised that it was impossible, that the foundations were rotten, built by the Primordials. But he tried. And who knows? Maybe he built that city where he exalted, a monument to his first, (and, perhaps, in Odyssial's eyes) greatest failure. A tombstone for his family. And a promise for a better world.

[X] Peerless City

It wasn't just what the Daeva did; it was also what came before, and what it represented. Odyssial's people had built a large and prosperous city-state, through long struggle and hard work, persevering and flourishing in a hostile world. Then out of nowhere a Primordial destroys it and wipes out almost the entire population for no greater reason than that he felt like like sitting down in that particular spot and neither noticed nor cared about the thriving civilization he was destroying.
Then Odyssial becomes the leader of the remnants of his shattered people; he's the greatest a mortal can be, and he employs every single trick a mortal can possibly employ to keep them alive, and it's still not enough; all because the Primordials deliberately made man weak, so weak that even the greatest of them couldn't hope to survive without aid, for the sake of collecting more prayer from them.
And then, simply so he wouldn't lose out on some minor wager he made about their survival, a Daeva decides to slaughter all that remain. And the worst part? He doesn't even have the decency to feel anything other than perhaps a vague amusement about the whole thing.
In other words, Odyssial hated the Primordials because they created them, made them the weakest peoples of Creation, rendered almost everything in the world dangerous to them so they would be totally dependent on their creators to survive, all to generate more prayer... and then don't even have the common courtesy to actually hold up their end of the bargain and protect them.
So yeah, I can totally see Odyssial spending countless centuries building an earthly paradise that makes even gods in Yu-Shan jealous. He wanted revenge on the Primordials for what they did; he got it. They're either dead and howling in torment eternal, or mutilated and stuffed into the inside-out thing that was once their king. So with that done, what's he going to want to do?
Prove he's better than them. Build a better world for humanity and every other mortal in Creation than the Primordials or even the gods could ever dream of. Build them up, elevate them beyond what the dictates of their creators said they could be; make sure no high-and-mighty bastard can ever casually wipe out entire civilizations over a bet.
And, though he probably doesn't admit it to himself, to try to make all their deaths somehow worth it. Nio saved his life twice, and died so that he could live. They all died, and now he is the only thing that remains of a great people who once were, in a time likely forgotten even by many of his fellow Exalted. In Odyssial's mind (whether he realizes it or not), everything he does is probably measured in terms of "is this the best way to use the life that Nio saved?"
 
It's a city of such magnificence that the resources and dedication of THE first age solar didn't complete it. I'm surprised it didn't replace the Blessed Isle or something as the seat of the Realm. Having even an incomplete version is an enormous boon. The memories are going to be there in some fashion whether we vote reincarnation or not, we may not be as Odyssial as Odyssial, but there's going to be something there as a result of other choices. Without this choice we are homeless.
Uh it's better to be homeless but with memories to continue your goal than to have a home and can't enter it without even any memories.
 
Uh it's better to be homeless but with memories to continue your goal than to have a home and can't enter it without even any memories.

*The remains of the Peerless city would certainly be a formidable redoubt, even pocked and scarred as they are, in the Second Age. The traps are innumerable, the guardians fierce, but Odyssial made sure he was immune to such inconveniences. Higher reincarnation fidelity = better results.

Based on our other choices we have some reincarnation fidelity (granted without sorcerer or reincarnation it won't be as much), but it's been said that the memories will carry on regardless of the choice, they just may not be as great.

Gaining entry may be as simple as flashing his anima, for all we know. It's something very personal that would be difficult to fake, and (apparently) will carry on through reincarnation, if the sword is anything to go by.
 
[X] Nothing
Heartless 9 is high enough: I don't want to go up to 10.
This is two orders of magnitude higher than original cannon.
Heartless 10 is as great as impact on the world as Greatness 10, and much worse.
 
[X] Peerless City

The Wracking is going to happen, as we did not opt for the options that would prevent it, so having some framework or defense that preserves Creation against the ravages of its multitude of enemies would be rather nice. Also, when someone points to us and asks why they should obey an ancient monster returned from out of the depths of time, we can do two things: truthfully say that we are not, in fact, a carbon copy of a First Age Solar and point at the incredible achievement that is the Peerless City. Seriously: no abuses. People talk of sticking it to death, though in truth we already have, but sticking it to the Great Curse is much more compelling, to my mind.
 
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[X] The Peerless City.

My opinion has not changed, even if I'm too tired to effectively argue for it.
 
[X] Reincarnation Planning

Because we Will finish the Mystery Project this way.

Instead of looking at this wonder that he started, wondering what the hell he was thinking back then.
 
The reason why I want Reincarnation Planning is that while Odyssial was given the title "Most High" in the First Age, it doesn't mean that we will never succeed in surpassing him. In fact, memories from his previous life should allow Uly to grow faster in his power, and there are many outrageous feats that haven't yet been accomplished, including:
  • Finally reaching the Third Circle of Sorcery
  • Erasing the Neverborn from existence while still preserving Creation
  • Building the Peerless City if it hasn't built yet
  • Creating a kingdom that is even more shining than the ones in the First Age (and better to mortals than anything ever in Creation)
And finally, finishing the Lathe of Heaven. Really, Infinite Singularity Husk reminds me of technological victory in SMAC. You say that technology Solar Sorcery can't fix everything? Here, have a objectively perfect world.

Of course, some of those feats might require a little more time than just a few centuries, but who says we can't bring a second golden age in our endgame, if we manage to reach that.
 
[X] Reincarnation Planning

Because we Will finish the Mystery Project this way.

Instead of looking at this wonder that he started, wondering what the hell he was thinking back then.
I assume the Mystery Project you're talking about is the Singularity Husk?

I've seen people suggesting we'd finish the City or the Husk in the Age of Sorrows, but... If Odyssial with a million Dragon Blooded at his back and access to Solars, Lunars and Sidereals couldn't finish it, I really, really doubt Uly could.
 
I've seen people suggesting we'd finish the City or the Husk in the Age of Sorrows, but... If Odyssial with a million Dragon Blooded at his back and access to Solars, Lunars and Sidereals couldn't finish it, I really, really doubt Uly could.

Even more so without the knowledge how to build it or create it that we lose by discarding Ody´s power.
 
Of course, some of those feats might require a little more time than just a few centuries, but who says we can't bring a second golden age in our endgame, if we manage to reach that.
These feats will require more time than we actually have; recall that Odyssial did not finish the Peerless City, so claiming that we can have our cake and eat it too with no foundations to build off of, no millions-strong workforce, and a plethora of other distractions and plot hooks to tear us away from it strikes me as more than a tad unlikely.

[X] The Peerless City

I'm a sucker for these grand stories of tragedy and hubris. Doing as Nimrod did and raising a Tower that stood supreme above all others, so that he himself can stand supreme above all others... that's just too cool to pass up. So what if we can get memories? It's not like we aren't literally Odyssial's reincarnation already. I liked playing Ulyssian, and I really don't want sacrifice that.
 
I assume the Mystery Project you're talking about is the Singularity Husk?

I've seen people suggesting we'd finish the City or the Husk in the Age of Sorrows, but... If Odyssial with a million Dragon Blooded at his back and access to Solars, Lunars and Sidereals couldn't finish it, I really, really doubt Uly could.
Because he was interrupted by a bad case of Dead.
If he remembers his skills and its purpose, completion may be very possible.

Lack resources? Seize them.


But the Husk is merely a shiny novelty without a memory of its nature and purpose.
 
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