[Exalted, ?] Most High
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We knew getting into this that to quest with Rihaku was to eat the bad candy. Accept the consequences of your failure to resist temptation.
[X] Peerless City
Reincarnation is great and all, but in spite of his overwhelming Heartlessness I'd like to leave a legacy of not being a dick, and encouraging others to not be dicks, unless a greater cause is served by said dickishness. A nation of discipline and excellence which brooks no abuses nor hedonism and is without question the greatest in Creation is a lot closer to that than a personal quest to overcome death all the way instead of just mostly.
Not that I don't want to reincarnate perfectly, but sometimes it's more important to not be a raging asshole than to do what you want. A six year old can learn that, so Odyssial forgetting it would just be embarrassing.
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Vanathor
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Heartlessness 10. We are going to be callous no matter what we do, if only for pragmatic reasons. So trying to act like we are not for vague 'legacy' reasons is kinda backwards to me, given its not anything Oddysiel himself would have cared about. Basically making this whole vote here really awkward given its reputation is a meta-concern and not anything the character would have done for its own sake or vague moralistic reasons.
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Vanathor
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Yes.
A Greatness 10, Heartless 10 Solar, who emphasizes the whole range of what makes a Chosen of the Sun what they are, both good and bad.
Taking that mind set and past glory, and forging it anew in a much weakened state, conquering death itself... that is a very interesting story by itself.
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Yes. Yes I do. Cause that heartless 10 solar was also an greatness 10 solar who WASN'T a dick to his followers, unlike many other solars in the first age. Heck, He even got an healty relationship (As healthy compare to other exalts at the time) with lea.
[X] Peerless City
I want some agruement and proof when we comeback that we are not a dick and bring the glorius and care to the mortal.
Mortal life for us is many life time ago but that are core of our being,We exalted because the titan don't care about human life of our tribe.
Don't become something that we despite the most.
I want some agruement and proof when we comeback that we are not a dick and bring the glorius and care to the mortal.
Mortal life for us is many life time ago but that are core of our being,We exalted because the titan don't care about human life of our tribe.
Don't become something that we despite the most.
Guile
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And you think you can't be Heartless and brook neither disobedience, debauchery nor systematic abuses of power?
Those things are inefficient, stupid and self-defeating, and Odyssial presumably recognizes that.
Hell, from the blurb it almost seems like Ody's Peerless City is so awesome and righteous that the effect propagates to all the other territories under his control. It's not even something Ody does. Like the Peerless City is so great others can only ape it's brilliance; Ody sets a standard of excellence that all lesser beings try to follow.
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Merc gonna merc ya
uh...just look at Odyssial rule. His was the most awesome in all creation. Have you even READ the choices we picked?
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It'd be a very interesting story, if not the one I want told. Unstoppable juggernaut released on a crappier age trying to make it match the glories he remembers, if even the current population is pretty chill with the status quo.
And then the Reclamation. And he fights the Primordials again. Second verse, same as the first.
So I guess the next set of choices will either be Usurpation actions or what parts of Ody's memories make it into Ulyssian. Hopefully no chance to get extra Heartlessness choices since that would take it to 11.
But at least Heartlessness is effectively reduced for the Usurpation with the Fairest.
But at least Heartlessness is effectively reduced for the Usurpation with the Fairest.
I read it mortal life is just frickle compare to current Ody,but that where are we come form,I just prefer this way of thinking.
Vanathor
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- Exalted First Age. Debauchery and even light levels of corruption are part and parcel of the setting, and by the standards they, even Oddysiel, lived by its perfectly normal. And not taking Peerless City does not mean he is allowing for sedition or disobedience. Their is a difference between 'shining morality' or whatever, and creating a system that does as he commands to a degree that meets his needs.
- At which point we are arguing opportunity cost, which is important when considering which optimizations to take. And IC, we know that Oddysiel recognized the value of himself as a strategic asset over even the Host itself, given the Word of God on the matter. At which point having contingency plans in case the worst were to happen (his death) would be a pretty large priority.
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[X] Reincarnation Planning
[X] Reincarnation Planning
Because I do like the prospect of playing Ulyssian as someone with a legacy, and/or Odyssial as the Exalted who arguably finally beat death. And with Rihaku's proven track record, I am really looking forward to see how he would deal with the theme of "reincarnation", which really is more about continuity of consciousness. On the one hand, WoG is that Ulyssian is only going to remember perhaps a few more scenes than we the players get to read about, and effectively most of Odyssial's memory is lost. On the other hand, that's enough for Ulyssian to identify himself as Odyssial, which would bring up many avenues for self-exploration.
What does it mean for Ulyssian to identify as Odyssial? If he only remembers less than ten pivotal memories, would that make his identification more like the acknowledgment of a legacy? What would it be like, even for someone like Ulyssian, to bear the weight of this literally insurmountable legacy that is (ironically given the last quest) "fated" to him? This is entirely subjective, mind, but I do prefer exploring this particular strand of narrative than that of the Peerless City.
If we see the two choices as Odyssial's triumph over on one hand the inevitable corrupting influence of power epitomized by the Great Curse, and on the other hand Death itself; then I must admit that I am simply a sucker for the second kind narrative. In this instance, any way.
Because I do like the prospect of playing Ulyssian as someone with a legacy, and/or Odyssial as the Exalted who arguably finally beat death. And with Rihaku's proven track record, I am really looking forward to see how he would deal with the theme of "reincarnation", which really is more about continuity of consciousness. On the one hand, WoG is that Ulyssian is only going to remember perhaps a few more scenes than we the players get to read about, and effectively most of Odyssial's memory is lost. On the other hand, that's enough for Ulyssian to identify himself as Odyssial, which would bring up many avenues for self-exploration.
What does it mean for Ulyssian to identify as Odyssial? If he only remembers less than ten pivotal memories, would that make his identification more like the acknowledgment of a legacy? What would it be like, even for someone like Ulyssian, to bear the weight of this literally insurmountable legacy that is (ironically given the last quest) "fated" to him? This is entirely subjective, mind, but I do prefer exploring this particular strand of narrative than that of the Peerless City.
If we see the two choices as Odyssial's triumph over on one hand the inevitable corrupting influence of power epitomized by the Great Curse, and on the other hand Death itself; then I must admit that I am simply a sucker for the second kind narrative. In this instance, any way.
[X] Peerless City
Why did Odyssial fight the Primordials? Because he hated them. And why did he hate them?
Because a deva of the Second Circle destroyed his tribe. That's the reason. It seems to me that Odyssial did not want to be the best he could solely because he wanted to be the best he could. I'm not an expert on him, (I've only read the first Quest) but I would like to think, at least in part, he sought to be the best to make a better world. He didn't make the Peerless City solely as a final defense. It was an attempt to make a better world. Not for the great, but for the small.
He realised that it was impossible, that the foundations were rotten, built by the Primordials. But he tried. And who knows? Maybe he built that city where he exalted, a monument to his first, (and, perhaps, in Odyssial's eyes) greatest failure. A tombstone for his family. And a promise for a better world.
Why did Odyssial fight the Primordials? Because he hated them. And why did he hate them?
Because a deva of the Second Circle destroyed his tribe. That's the reason. It seems to me that Odyssial did not want to be the best he could solely because he wanted to be the best he could. I'm not an expert on him, (I've only read the first Quest) but I would like to think, at least in part, he sought to be the best to make a better world. He didn't make the Peerless City solely as a final defense. It was an attempt to make a better world. Not for the great, but for the small.
He realised that it was impossible, that the foundations were rotten, built by the Primordials. But he tried. And who knows? Maybe he built that city where he exalted, a monument to his first, (and, perhaps, in Odyssial's eyes) greatest failure. A tombstone for his family. And a promise for a better world.
Rihaku
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There is also a third option - you can take neither the Peerless City nor Reincarnation Planning, and only be Heartlessness 9. I will note that the Peerless City helps out more in the span that you're gone - Creation will have a formidable redoubt that is posed to defend itself against all interlopers, be they opportunistic grave robbers or the steadily advancing tide of the Fae.
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Complete with first age wonders that may or may not remember Odyssial and probably don't appreciate said unauthorized interlopers taking refuge in the scavenger lands =P
Automated defenses, oh my.
That said..
[X] Peerless City
I think every Exalted campaign I've ever done has you go back to your tomb/manse/whatever. I can't imagine it not being a thing. And this is an entire badass city that provides a base for the various things that hopefully have carried over. Reincarnation or not (honestly relatively ambivalent on this one, at this point, there have been some good arguments towards it) this is just cooler.
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Guile
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So would a plan to be able to fist-fight everybody in Creation one at a time, if necessary.
It's planning for the worst versus a plan to be able to fight all of Creation and win.
Usernames
Merc gonna merc ya
Hey Rihaku. Can we pick both options on one epoch instend of one from any epoch?
We could have gotten double xp gain for Ulyssian you know.
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Having Creation not be teetering on the edge of annihilation would be a nice change. With the Fairest and Peerless City together, along with the possibility of that elder Gold Faction leader surviving the Usurpation, as well as Lea still being around, we could very well end up with a Creation that can actually defend itself.
