[Exalted, ?] Most High

The EXP how much of it is Solar EXP
Not sure what you mean, but if you are asking how the XP gets distributed, the first on the thread page has this:
So, the way XP works in 3E is, you get your normal (small) XP reward every session, and you can earn additional "Solar XP" for certain roleplaying goals. Solar XP is identical to normal for purposes of Abilities and Attributes, but it cannot be spent on Charms. It can be spent on Evocations, Martial Arts, and Spells, however. This is modeled by our XP system wherein you guys get XP for plot events (or you will, once conflicts start happening) and also for fanworks. However, so as to not disincentivize fanworks, all XP you receive from any source is split 60% / 40% into two sections, Normal and Solar. Thus you can earn Normal XP from roleplaying.
If you instead want to know the latest XP count by Rihaku, just click "Latest XP Count" on threadmarks.
 
[X] Assassination - The only way to be sure. Strike while Ayala is exhausted, immediately after they return. You can make the fight brief, in any case, and you'll be fully prepared while they will be caught unawares and weakened. [+150,000 XP if successful]

Safest option here and I really don't want them to be able to inform anyone abot their findings. Plus they think we are strong DB not E4 Solar so we have advantage here.


You are currently at 5 (modified) Stress. I wonder if your Limit-acquiring condition was triggered... Pick one, plus one additional option per 1 Stress you'll accept in addition.

[X] Relax With Friends
- This option is not compatible with "Arch-Predictionist." You may not see your friends for several months after this, possibly even years. Take the time to pace your training and say your goodbyes. Even Odyssial accepted moments of suboptimal performance, for the sake of Pearl or Lea. [-2 Stress]
-[X] Ivory

[X] Medical Balm - Pearl was wounded last week on a mission, and her injury has not improved. The wound festers with a vile blackness that resembles the power of the Deathlords. Zao believes she can be treated with a rare herb from the North-Eastern Threshold, the same region where she was wounded. Given that Ivory was hurt, though, this is not a task he can entrust to just anyone. Someone martially capable, an adept infiltrator and master of disguise, might be able to get in and out... [+1 additional Stress]

Stress neutral option here so we won't run ourselves ragged, I'd also buy stress reducing charms set if experience allow to return us to 3. It's really bad that Ivory got hurt, especially now that we need to relax some after disaster turnament turned out to be. Focus on Pearl is something we provably should have done earlier but now we have no excuse not to al least try for cure. Also despite what relaxing option says it is optimal at this point as exalts aren't immune to tiring so internalizing that we need to take some time off from time to time should make is more effective in long run.
 
[X] Assassination
[X] Studying With Moon
[X] Arch-Predictionist
-[X] Naval
-[X] Academy
[X] Medical Balm


Let's end this farce. Kill the Infernals, and end their threat.
 
Let's end this farce. Kill the Infernals, and end their threat.
That's the spirit! They are a serious threat. A Third Circle Sorcerer can call the mightiest of the Yozi's souls into Creation, things that Ulyssian would struggle to combat as he is now. Rather than gambling on winning them over, which will lead to us needing to balance the interests of yet another faction with our own deceptions and agendas even in the unlikely event of our success, wouldn't be better to just end the threat they pose? They won't be able to lie to the Dragon, no matter the oaths they've sworn, and the turning of Infernals will just draw further reprisal if they go AWOL. Killing them now checks hell's power and we get to point the Infernals at someone else.

Also, what's the meaning of friendship, if not killing your friend's enemies? That's how you express camaraderie, right?! We need to teach Nilul the POWER OF FRIENDSHIP!
 
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[X] Assassination
[X] Studying With Moon
[X] Arch-Predictionist
-[X] Naval
-[X] Academy
[X] Medical Balm
 
Why would you guys want to kill Ayala? Shes a good girl! She's only roped by the Yozis because of circumstances! Why are you disliking her because of her situation??

Beside, subverting the Yozis' Champions right under the Ebon's Dragon unexistent nose is just GLORIOUSly Odyssial.
 
[X] Negotiations
-[X] Try to turn them from Hell's service. Extremely difficult in all likelihood, but the Princess of Lies is at your side to help!
[X] Arch-Predictionist
-[X] Naval
-[X] Academy

[X] Medical Balm
[X] Studying With Moon
 
Rihaku doesn't give out XP because the choice involved is obviously the best choice. Having Ayala around as an Adamant Circle Sorcerer can save Ulyssian hundreds of thousands of XP in the long run. This is 150,000XP versus however much XP is required for Ulyssian to become a Sorcerer himself. Or if we do go the Sorcerer route, well, what's better than one bound Third Circle Demon? Two bound Third Circle Demons. Having her and Fei Ling around at the Academy while Ulyssian is gone is also likely to greatly improve Zao's odds of survival, which is supposedly important to many people.

And there's something of hypocrisy about all the people unwilling to launch the Civil War or who whine about Ulyssian following in the footsteps of Odyssial deciding that hey, it's perfectly fine to go straight to murder as the first option to deal with a threat. Especially when Rihaku waves some XP under your noses. We can always follow up by killing them if the job pitch doesn't work but at least we would have tried first.
 
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Why would you guys want to kill Ayala? Shes a good girl! She's only roped by the Yozis because of circumstances! Why are you disliking her because of her situation??
All the Infernals all the results of unpleasant circumstances. Doesn't mean they're any less a threat to us.
Beside, subverting the Yozis' Champions right under the Ebon's Dragon unexistent nose is just GLORIOUSly Odyssial.
The Dragon's in Malfeas, just like he has been since he and his misbegotten compatriots lost the War. Killing traitors who've thrown in with the enemies of Creation is much more gloriously Odyssial.
And there's something of hypocrisy about all the people unwilling to launch the Civil War or who whine about Ulyssian following in the footsteps of Odyssial deciding that hey, it's perfectly fine to go straight to murder as the first option to deal with a threat. Especially when Rihaku waves some XP under your noses. We can always follow up by killing them if the job pitch doesn't work but at least we would have tried first.
We can? Giving up the advantage of surprise is a big loss, especially against two Solaroids, even if one of them's tired. If we give them time to take stock and evaluate the opposition, things become far less certain.
 
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We can? Giving up the advantage of surprise is a big loss, especially against two Solaroids, even if one of them's tired. If we give them time to take stock and evaluate the opposition, things become far less certain.

You know how combat sorcery requires prep time? It should be pretty fucking obvious that trying to cast a spell while we're holding our negotiations would be a sign of preparation to attack. If Ayala doesn't get the chance to cast her combat buffs and remains exhausted after her bout (and mote recovery outside combat is relatively nerfed) then she is still comparatively weak. And Fei Ling is an assassin, not a stand up fighter. Our odds are probably no worse than they were against Polemgaos or the Sworn Brotherhood.

I thought the implication was that Lethos was one of the Neverborn, since what remains of it resides in the underworld? Anyway, I could buy him doing that if Coldness had won, but we opted for Fury instead. The Yozis are objects of hatred to him, not candidates for rehabilitation; he hardly would've needed the aid of She Who Lives in Her Name to forge an orderly Creation. Regardless of their utility, it would've have been a matter of vengeance to him, of the monsters that tormented humanity not deserving a place in his golden forever.

It's been well over 6000 years, and Ulyssian is not exactly Odyssial. The deva who killed Nio is long scattered to ambient essence. And if there's one thing Odyssial was good at it was sacrificing his own happiness to expediency. This looks like petty rationalization, especially in the absence of Ulyssian ever demonstrating strong emotions towards the Yozis previously. His rage was at the nature of Creation itself, and altering it is the kind of justice he aspires to. The Yozis are just a pathetic remnant of what they were and altering them is a mere footnote on his ultimate achievement. And what utility is infinite punishment of beings who can only arguably bear moral responsibility in the first place? Is Ulyssian a sadist?
 
Rihaku doesn't give out XP because the choice involved is obviously the best choice. Having Ayala around as an Adamant Circle Sorcerer can save Ulyssian hundreds of thousands of XP in the long run. This is 150,000XP versus however much XP is required for Ulyssian to become a Sorcerer himself. Or if we do go the Sorcerer route, well, what's better than one bound Third Circle Demon? Two bound Third Circle Demons. Having her and Fei Ling around at the Academy while Ulyssian is gone is also likely to greatly improve Zao's odds of survival, which is supposedly important to many people.
See, I can't vote for choices I feel might disincentivise Sorcery unless they are even more vital than Sorcery. "Why should we get Sorcery if we have an allied Sorcerer?" is a valid question, and I want Sorcery. If Ayala dying even marginally helps us get Sorcery I'm all for it.

We've had Sorcery lose twice so far and the arguments for it haven't changed. I can't make better arguments so whether we get Sorcery comes down to the strength of the opposing options and circumstantial factors, which I can influence.
 
We can? Giving up the advantage of surprise is a big loss, especially against two Solaroids, even if one of them's tired. If we give them time to take stock and evaluate the opposition, things become far less certain.
We could always come up with stunts/omakes and such for the possibility that the negotiations don't go as well as we would like, as well as plans to hide that we murdered yet an another competitor, and her second too. Ulyssian will of course do this more or less automatically, at least least on some level, but extra help might be what is needed. Plus if we make some of those measures obvious but still effective, they will likely be less willing to immediately attack us or try to run away.
 
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It's been well over 6000 years, and Ulyssian is not exactly Odyssial. The deva who killed Nio is long scattered to ambient essence. And if there's one thing Odyssial was good at it was sacrificing his own happiness to expediency. This looks like petty rationalization, especially in the absence of Ulyssian ever demonstrating strong emotions towards the Yozis previously. His rage was at the nature of Creation itself, and altering it is the kind of justice he aspires to. The Yozis are just a pathetic remnant of what they were and altering them is a mere footnote on his ultimate achievement. And what utility is infinite punishment of beings who can only arguably bear moral responsibility in the first place? Is Ulyssian a sadist?
And the Yozis, as the creators of Creation, bear responsibility for the state of the world. Having failed at forging a just system once, why should he involve them again? As for Ulyssian's feelings, the Yozis have not taken a prominent role up until this point, so we can hardly determine what Ulyssian feels towards them specifically; all we have to go on are the emotions of Odyssial, and he hated the Yozis with a burning passion. We chose the most perfect possible merger; since Ulyssian had no opportunity to form an opinion on them and was probably not even aware of their existence in the first place, he inherits Odyssial's sentiments by default. Ulyssian is not a sadist, but Odyssial is vengeful.
 
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You know how combat sorcery requires prep time? It should be pretty fucking obvious that trying to cast a spell while we're holding our negotiations would be a sign of preparation to attack. If Ayala doesn't get the chance to cast her combat buffs and remains exhausted after her bout (and mote recovery outside combat is relatively nerfed) then she is still comparatively weak. And Fei Ling is an assassin, not a stand up fighter. Our odds are probably no worse than they were against Polemgaos or the Sworn Brotherhood.
Still an order of magnitude more difficult than simply striking from stealth with our nature concealed. Our odds against Polemgaos and the brotherhood weren't actually that good, we were just lucky and had stunts.
 
I forget, did Rihaku say anything about whatever we used FSSA in the fight with Polemgaos? Because it just makes everything so much easier, with either of the options.
 
Eliminating the Infernals or causing them to defect has the same end-result; denying the Ebon Dragon information about Nilul. Elimination has a 150,000XP bonus attached to it and is, arguably, a bit safer. However, there are other stronger advantages to convincing them to defect, which is why it does not garner an XP incentive.

1. Ayala is a Solar-level Sorcerer and thus a strategic asset. She could save Ulyssian hundreds of thousands of XP to use elsewhere. Or if he does go with Sorcery, she can help with training times by being a mentor. She can also be places he can not, meaning the highest level of sorcery couldd be employed in two places at once to aid his cause. She can help stack Workings. She is incredibly valuable.

2. Fei Ling is a Solar-level Assassin and thus a strategic asset. Assassination is a very viable way to manipulate politics and the circumstances of the outbreak of civil war in the Realm. She can also be places that Ulyssian is not, so he does not have to carry out every assassination by himself.

3. Killing them denies the Infernals information about Nilul. Swaying them to our side lets us send false information to the Infernals about Nilul. It involves lying to the Ebon Dragon, which is an epic Odysseus-tier achievement, but we could send him off on a wild goose chase in, say, An Teng. Or the furthest West, or wherever. Funkspiel, as it were. We can also hide their reasons for defection later on and, again, send other Infernals off on a wild goose chase, further damaging the progress of the Reclamation.

4. Killing them means the Yozis have to train two new Infernals. Swaying them to our cause means they indefinitely lose 2 out of their mere 50 Exalted; and their powers are added to our powerbase, greatly increasing the relative loss to the Reclamation.

5. Interrogating Ayala and Fei Ling will shed light on Yozi objectives and actions in the Realm, which is the kind of information needed to anticipate their plots and roll them up. Information about Yozi activities would also be a potential card to play in negotiations with Annys Syn and the Bronze Faction.

6. Nilul isn't even asking us to kill them. Do we want Ulyssian to start solving all his problems through expedient murder? I thought we didn't want that? If we want Ulyssian to be less Heartless than Odyssial, then he should act that way. And we need Presence Charms anyway if we are going to convince people, and Odysseus was certainly a convincing fellow.

7. In the short term, Ulyssian is not going to be in a position to guarantee Zao's security. Predictionism used for the Academy will help but not guarantee. Having two completely unknown Solar-tier combatants at the Academy that our various enemies can't possibly anticipate will greatly improve the chances of Zao living through any kind of attack on the Academy or supernatural assassination attempt.

We've taken very ill-advised risky actions before for dubious gain. Fighting the Sworn Brotherhood when Zao could have just ordered them away was one case. It certainly hasn't done anything to stop Anys Syn from wanting payback, diminished her influence over the Immaculate Order, and it exposed Ulyssian's power level to her. Nor is it clear beating them has greatly increased Ulyssian's freedom of action in the Realm.

The risk is less here due to existing write-ins and the fallback of combat being an option; and the gains are clear and utterly overwhelming compared to just assassinating them, which is why Assassination has that XP bonus. Let's take a chance here, too.
 
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