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[X] Stay Regardless

We chose to come here, to compete and fight, and knew of Ayala before Nilul did and judged the risks acceptable. Just because she's found out doesn't mean we should vamoose immediately. It will cost us immense prestige, defeats the purpose of coming at all, and is just flat-out cowardly.
 
[X] Stay Regardless

Orm Embar said:
We chose to come here, to compete and fight, and knew of Ayala before Nilul did and judged the risks acceptable.
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You know, this is an amazing point. We already knew there were Infernals here, and we were fine with it (and planning to fight them). What new information have we been given that makes leaving the competition so appealing?
 
Rihaku said:
She hasn't been found out for sure, the only way they could have is if they were Unsurpassed Hearing your conversation with her yesterday.
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In which case killing them immediately becomes more of a priority than fleeing (maybe). Depends who they'd tell about the Odyssial stuff. Best case scenario: they report it and their superiors flip out in fear, though that could still lead to Bad Things(tm).
 
If a participant is defeated are the expected to stick around or leave?

Maybe we could arrange to fight them in the first round and then either have them be gone or leave ourselves if we lose.
 
Not fond of Stay Regardless. Nilul's unlikely to be operating at top effectiveness under the circumstances, and this is a place where we'd rather she not get caught out - and not just by the Infernals.

Also, I'd like to be careful what we ask of our companions.

That said, dropping everything isn't going to make Zao happy, and we'd have to be really careful what excuse we make if we split up - no Nilul means Uly has to do his own socializing, after all.

Dark Lord Bob said:
We already knew there were Infernals here, and we were fine with it (and planning to fight them). What new information have we been given that makes leaving the competition so appealing?
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We didn't know how badly Nilul would panic, mostly. That is relevant data.

cyberswordsmen said:
Maybe we could arrange to fight them in the first round and then either have them be gone or leave ourselves if we lose.
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Mmm. Not sure we want to draw their attention that way. They're likely to have Solar-level charms in stuff other than combat, after all - which means it's quite likely they're not bad at investigation themselves.
 
cyberswordsmen said:
If a participant is defeated are the expected to stick around or leave?
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Either, though sticking around is more common. If these are busy Infernals, though, they might leave.

Maybe we could arrange to fight them in the first round and then either have them be gone or leave ourselves if we lose.
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Hm, that could be viable. You'd need to be able to actually beat her, and she might somehow discern that you're a Solar, but it would be a way to get rid of them and stay in the tournament. Of course, there's the risk they don't leave.

Dark Lord Bob said:
In which case killing them immediately becomes more of a priority than fleeing (maybe). Depends who they'd tell about the Odyssial stuff. Best case scenario: they report it and their superiors flip out in fear, though that could still lead to Bad Things(tm).
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Indeed. The risks there are off the charts in both directions, though it seems unlikely given that they haven't acted at all yet. Also Unsurpassed Hearing is a pretty damn rare ability.
 
Could we ram Polegamos into the Infernal Duo?

That sounds like a good way to solve our problems!
 
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Dark Lord Bob said:
In which case killing them immediately becomes more of a priority than fleeing (maybe). Depends who they'd tell about the Odyssial stuff. Best case scenario: they report it and their superiors flip out in fear, though that could still lead to Bad Things(tm).
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Balls.

If they did overhear the Odyissial stuff then they need to die before they tip off anyone.
 
Alectai said:
Could we ram Polegamos into the Infernal Duo?

That sounds like a good way to solve our problems!
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It would be moderately more difficult than fixing your own match, but it should be possible... there would be a chance you'd get caught, but perhaps the risk is worth it? The only issue is if they're trying to cheat themselves, and they also have Solar-tier cheating charms.
 
Rihaku said:
It would be moderately more difficult than fixing your own match, but it should be possible... there would be a chance you'd get caught, but perhaps the risk is worth it? The only issue is if they're trying to cheat themselves, and they also have Solar-tier cheating charms.
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In that case, the question is.

Are they a better cheater than Sesus Ulyssian? Who has claimed Titles that make him a more peerless cheater?

I think not
 
Alectai said:
In that case, the question is.

Are they a better cheater than Sesus Ulyssian? Who has claimed Titles that make him a more peerless cheater?

I think not
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While you are really good at cheating, it is theoretically possible that they are just as good, in a different way! It could come down to rolls, if that's the case, though the chance of them having any specific ability besides combat power is lower. Still, you guys do have Ayala's meta information, as well as Fei Ling's, so you might be able to make an accurate guess. Ayala's a powerful sorceror, so she might have some sort of Sigereth-derived buff to counter cheating? More narrow in its application, and thus able to contest your power despite only being 2CD-level? Unlikely, but again possible.

On the other hand, it would be a real pain in the ass to plan around all of their hypothetical abilities, so anything that doesn't impinge on their likely core contingencies is a better plan than most.
 
Rihaku said:
Nilul: I could, but there is the possibility that they did hear us last night and are waiting for something like that. Damn, we might have to kill them if that looks likely. But Uly, are you sure you'll be okay here without me? These socialites are vicious, they'd tear you up! We wouldn't need a falling out, I could just make up an emergency or something.
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Without Nilul, Uly falls back on the tried and true 'desperately avoiding social obligation like he owed it money, and also it had that contagion that preceded the Balorian crusade.'

Or honor duels.


I'm also okay with either rigging up an early match with Polemgaos or Ayala. Preference on Polemgaos, so we could retreat - win or lose - without much loss of face. Not wanting to fight three more matches in quick succession against peerless warriors of the Realm after a fight of that caliber seems logical.
 
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It just occured to me that while they are solar tier combatants they are relatively young ones (infernals have only been a thing for 5 years), and almost certainly don't have a Oddysial level work ethic, and we are in a tournament for elder dragonbloods that mostly have experience fighting actual solars and lunars many of which have similar and greater levels of experience than the infernals. With that in mind the threat granted by the Infernal exalts might not actually be all that much greater than their dragonblood peers here. The big difference is if Nilul is outed they report her to hell instead of the wyld hunt which frankly is probably a smaller threat to her in the short and medium terms than the Immaculates.

If they can't see through her disguise then aren't likely to be all that much greater at identifying her than the elder dragonbloods unless it is one of their major investments which isn't that great odds.

Lets rig Polemgaos with Ayala. If it works we would get rid of one problem with the other and soften up the winner if we are lucky.
 
Guile said:
Without Nilul, Uly falls back on the tried and true 'desperately avoiding social obligation like he owed it money, and also it had that contagion that preceded the Balorian crusade.'

Or honor duels.

I'm also okay with either rigging up an early match with Polemgaos or Ayala. Preference on Polemgaos, so we could retreat - win or lose - without much loss of face. Not wanting to fight three more matches in quick succession against peerless warriors of the Realm after a fight of that caliber seems logical.
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Hm, a major issue with the "fight Polemgaos and win but take damage" plan is that if Polemgaos actually manages to hit you, it will likely be for massive damage. You can sort of control how much damage you take with Heavenly Guardian Defense, but this actually makes the fight WAY harder than you, because you would need to let him not be Crashed. The fight would be like, 200% harder. Maybe 400%.
 
[X] Stay Regardless

Let' do what we came to do. Leaving makes us look weak, when we came to make a strong impression.

I like the plan where we throw Polemgaos against Ayala.
 
Regarding that plan, what do you guys intend to do if Ayala stays after losing to Polemgaos (assuming she loses)?

cyberswordsmen said:
It just occured to me that while they are solar tier combatants they are relatively young ones (infernals have only been a thing for 5 years), and almost certainly don't have a Oddysial level work ethic, and we are in a tournament for elder dragonbloods that mostly have experience fighting actual solars and lunars many of which have similar and greater levels of experience than the infernals. With that in mind the threat granted by the Infernal exalts might not actually be all that much greater than their dragonblood peers here. The big difference is if Nilul is outed they report her to hell instead of the wyld hunt which frankly is probably a smaller threat to her in the short and medium terms than the Immaculates.

If they can't see through her disguise then aren't likely to be all that much greater at identifying her than the elder dragonbloods unless it is one of their major investments which isn't that great odds.

Lets rig Polemgaos with Ayala. If it works we would get rid of one problem with the other and soften up the winner if we are lucky.
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You guys do have meta information on Ayala. Within ~a year of now in the Odyssey, she was a Solar Circle Sorceror.

You don't know whether Hell would be a greater or lesser threat than the Wyld Hunt. You could ask Nilul what she thinks...
 
Orm Embar said:
Nilul is somewhat biased when it comes to danger hell poses. Or even if she isn't, it is in her interests to play up the threat. While Infernals are no joke, their freedom of action is limited by the fact that they're posing as Dynasts, just as we are.
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She could still have information that you don't! Nilul does want to get out ASAP, but she won't lie to you right now, she just wants to address only those questions you have that would be relevant, so that you guys can leave (or otherwise take action) faster.
 
Diller said:
Balls.

If they did overhear the Odyissial stuff then they need to die before they tip off anyone.
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Hm, they could use LSD to tip off Heaven, that's true. But if they heard that, they could have told Heaven already! Ayala is a Celestial Circle Sorcerer, after all.

You could already be screwed.

Van Ropen said:
This is a pretty great idea actually - if arranging Uly to fight him immediately or put him off till the end was possible, shouldn't this be possible as well?
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Dark Lord Bob said:
Sesus Ulyssian and the Princess of Lies! That's some mighty fine cheating skills.
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Yup, it is possible, though due to the availability of the specific resources in question, it will be much easier to arrange your own match than that of two unrelated people. About ~100% harder.
 
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