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Nellens Saery is perfect for Ulyssian, mortal or not as a political marriage.

The house sesus really need finicial help and the Nellens house seems to be the best at that, though they have a lack of dragon bloods and military power which balance things out.
 
Rihaku said:
She's also much better in a fight than you guys seem to believe, but the greater problem is tracking her down. She doesn't lack for elite DB bodyguards, either, which can presently give you a run for your money even if they're likely to fail.
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Hard to fight and to track down. Splendid. Well, as we have gone full ally-build, how about trying to contact Lea? She should be easier to find than the Fairest, and her skills should be quite useful in nearly all things. Also, she likely has in her posession quite much of our stuff. Might be that she has also been taking care of our other assets, like cells of DB loyalist that we scattered around in our reincarnation planning phase.
 
Huh, I'm kinda surprised V'neef has as many legions as it does, but then they ARE a Great House that was favored by the Empress, even if they were the youngest and smallest one. Do we know anything about the Non-legion strengths of the Houses? As we're starting to think about alliances and such I'm wondering who can shore up the great heaping blind spots that House Sesus has.
 
Guile said:
Well, it might be nice to have a House to fall back on where we can actually hypothetically breach the 'So I'm actually a Solar God-King reborn' issue and still receive their support.

And having sorcerers, money and world-class administrators as a backbone isn't too bad... and it's not like popular support of the lower classes is worthless. And Saery actually IS the heir of Nellens, not just from a prominent bloodline.

Given Uly's optimization tendencies, though... It's not looking good for the good ship Sae/Uly.
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You can't stop the Moon/Uly OTP!
 
They're maybe average in financial strength, maybe slightly below. But it's just money. Unless you can turn that money into something, like an army of elite mortal sorceror-assassins, what's the use? Luckily, Nellens has plenty of extremely well-trained mortals.
 
Usernames said:
Nellens Saery is perfect for Ulyssian, mortal or not as a political marriage.

The house sesus really need finicial help and the Nellens house seems to be the best at that, though they have a lack of dragon bloods and military power which balance things out.
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They are also disliked enough by everyone else that the rest of the Realm will fight all the harder to keep Uly from taking over.
Noone is going to accept being at best the third most powerful house behind Nellens.
 
Emerald Oracle said:
Huh, I'm kinda surprised V'neef has as many legions as it does, but then they ARE a Great House that was favored by the Empress, even if they were the youngest and smallest one. Do we know anything about the Non-legion strengths of the Houses? As we're starting to think about alliances and such I'm wondering who can shore up the great heaping blind spots that House Sesus has.
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They were raised up to rival Peleps, and there are a lot of elder Outcastes that got legitimized via adoption / cross-marriage into V'Neef. When the Legions of the Throne were partitioned, they used their epic wealth to wrangle some extra Legions.
 
Rihaku said:
You didn't get Sail, so I'm not sure how much detail I'm going to go into that stuff. Tech level is probably Age of Sail-esque, since they have a version of gunpowder, though.
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That's fine. It's not like I'm asking for ironclads or anything, it'd just make more sense to me if the backbone of the Realm's naval power wasn't a bunch of ships that were outdated in the Dark Ages (literally; triremes were replaced by quinquiremes in the Hellenistic Period, then by the liburna for most of Imperial Rome, then the dromon, which was the backbone of the Byzantine navy up until the 12th century, when they were supplanted by Italian-style galleys).
A good alternative would be Chinese junks, which were used in sea voyages and naval battles for more than a thousand years and are widely acknowledged as one of the best designs for a sailing ship. In fact, Zheng He's treasure ships were basically just extremely scaled-up junks (supposedly 420 feet long and 180 feet wide according to contemporary accounts; recent research suggests that that's not very far off).
 
Leingod said:
That's fine. It's not like I'm asking for ironclads or anything, it'd just make more sense to me if the backbone of the Realm's naval power wasn't a bunch of ships that were outdated in the Dark Ages (literally; triremes were replaced by quinquiremes in the Hellenistic Period, then by the liburna for most of Imperial Rome, then the dromon, which was the backbone of the Byzantine navy up until the 12th century, when they were supplanted by Italian-style galleys).
A good alternative would be Chinese junks, which were used in sea voyages and naval battles for more than a thousand years and are widely acknowledged as one of the best designs for a sailing ship. In fact, Zheng He's treasure ships were basically just extremely scaled-up junks (supposedly 420 feet long and 180 feet wide according to contemporary accounts; recent research suggests that that's not very far off).
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Well, the Realm is China Rome, so that could make sense. There are paths of advancement that lead through the Admiralty, though I don't know how viable they will be given your relatively abysmal Sail score and complete lack of Sail excellency.

Pipeman said:
They are also disliked enough by everyone else that the rest of the Realm will fight all the harder to keep Uly from taking over.
Noone is going to accept being at best the third most powerful house behind Nellens.
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They're not so much disliked as just mocked and condescended to, but yeah, same effect, pretty much. Maybe even stronger. But the Nellens are kind of like Ulyssian himself. Scrappy and resourceful. As they're not all that keen on Immaculate Philosophy, they've got a versatile array of specialists, and they do still possess the resources of a Great House, even if a small one.
 
I wonder what exactly was going through Her Redness's mind when she founded House Nellens? I know the official story is because Nellens was her favorite consort or whatever, and that might have factored into it, but she didn't get to where she is (er, was) by making decisions that would alter the very fabric of the Realm's politics for centuries to come (and that's what the addition of a new Great House is, even House Nellens) based entirely on whim or emotion.
 
Y'know for a minute there I was considering V'neef as a possible ally, given their total control over the entire Merchant Marine of the Realm. They're a small enough house that a single powerful driven individual could reach a position of great influence with probably greater ease than in one of the larger ones like like Mnemon. Uly's even got the right breeding for 'em given that V'neef is basically Her Redness' experiment in Dragonblooded Eugenics. Then I realized that being so highly Dragonblooded as they are they're probably died in the wool Immaculates which would not end well for us.
 
I just realized this.

Lookshy is Odyssial civilization. Those who are still loyal to him, wielding first age technology, waiting for his return. There are still the desendents of dragon blood that fought along side Odyssial and the mortals that saw the utopia that was Odyssial dream.
 
Hey, Uly does have Sail 1 (+3 Realm navy) or something, doesn't he?
Rihaku said:
They're maybe average in financial strength, maybe slightly below. But it's just money. Unless you can turn that money into something, like an army of elite mortal sorceror-assassins, what's the use? Luckily, Nellens has plenty of extremely well-trained mortals.
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Oh, they're well-trained, sure... but are they elite tiger warriors?

Not yet they aren't.

EDIT: Though really, they probably won't be as good as Infernal Uly's Accursed, since they don't all have crazy 5-dot stats - Tiger Warriors can't start out with more than 3 dots in any stat, I gather? They do seem to get Awakened Essence and a martial art if they have a sifu, though.
 
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Maybe there a civilization of loyalist dragon blood with first age odyssial tech? There are world changing events thanks to infinity singularity husk. Let's not compare everything of canon to this quest.
 
 
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Rihaku said:
You guys are seriously underestimating Anys Syn.
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Have we forgotten that Anys gave Infernal combat beast Ulyssian who was powered up by Zao's sacrifice a good fight? Remember this is after she weakened herself fighting Zao and we got the drop on her and her dragon blooded guards if I remember right.

This Anys is both stronger and will be on the look out since she will probably know we're a Solar. Also as we focused on stealth we're probably weaker then beginning Infernal Uly with Zao powerup.

We would be fools to take her lightly.
 
Yes, Anys Syn is not someone to be taken lightly, and is a large part of my desire for increased combat prowess. She's got a handful of Dragon-Blooded bodyguards augmented with Throne Shadow Style and is the inventor of the Immaculate Dragon Styles. No matter how Wracked, she is an Elder Exalt, and those are never to be underestimated.
 
Great, thanks. Well, it looks like Prove It has won. We've gotten a lot of write-ins, but are there any other last-minute arguments you want to throw out to Ivory? Remember, you are fighting against SMA mental Styles as well as an Elder Sidereal's own powers of rationalization and self-deception.
 
Leingod said:
I wonder what exactly was going through Her Redness's mind when she founded House Nellens? I know the official story is because Nellens was her favorite consort or whatever, and that might have factored into it, but she didn't get to where she is (er, was) by making decisions that would alter the very fabric of the Realm's politics for centuries to come (and that's what the addition of a new Great House is, even House Nellens) based entirely on whim or emotion.
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Politically? Its dividing the Houses further so they never posed a serious threat to her rule. The Realm was never meant to actually go through succession as she intended to live forever. Each House represented an array of political views useful for enacting or stamping out policies through her support or disapproval.

As for the small number of Legions, I figured the legions were mainly used for stomping on issues the size of a small king, where the threat of total destruction by dropping several legions on the first offender did the trick.

Actual law enforcement and garrison were likely for personal warbands and militia forces, and left out of the legions owing to their small operational range.
 
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