Evil is Coming - Youjo Senki/Dresden Files

By the same token, Tanya's on a time limit. Eventually her gear is going to start breaking down and she's going to have to figure out how to do real long term maintenance and parts replacement on it.
They are soldiers. I would presume they know how to do some maintenance for their gear. Long term, it could well be an issue but I would think Tanya is well aware of this.

She's also likely to eventually run into morale and insubordination issues as her men stop thinking of themselves as soldiers of the Empire if they really have been cut off. Merc units won't just serve blindly and have different priorities. (See, of all things, The Rock).
I don't think this is going to be that big of an issue right now or even the weeks ahead.

Observe:
"Men. We've gone on a lot of suicide missions. Tested new technologies, been inserted deep behind enemy lines, faced impossible odds. We've done this for the fatherland, for our home. After years of blood and mud we're so close to victory, and now they want to bring in an entirely new world of enemies for us to fight. This cannot be allowed to happen! If we don't stop them from doing this thing, this atrocity, then the Empire will fall.

"The duty of a soldier of the Empire is to die, this time is different. I'm not asking you to die, I'm asking you to live. On the other side of that portal is all enemy territory. And there is no guarantee that we will ever be coming back. All I can do to reassure you is that our sacrifice will not be for nothing, our families will be treated as if we died with honors. If we are very lucky, we will die of old age in a foreign land, never to see our homes again."

The mood is grim. Then a laugh cuts the tension.

"You've asked us to die with you before, now all you want is for us to live for you… why not?"

General sounds of agreement swept through the crowd.

"Good! Lieutenant, get the squad into position. Doctor, we've planted charges in the bunker on a timer. It's all in your hands now doctor. If there is to be any hope for our return, it lies with you. "

"Yes, major." I watch her retreating form disappear into the portal.

They knew what they were getting into and still they charged forward. And Tanya is already taking steps to make their situation better. Deals with Macrcone will get them money and all that comes with it. They don't need years to kill Sarah or Dresden. They just need to get lucky once. Its been just a few days since their arrival.

Also as per tvtropes:
Imperial Army 203rd Air Mage Battalion is a rapid response force lead by Tanya von Degurechaff, formed in year 1925 to realize Tanya's suggestion of Attritional Containment Doctrine to Zettour. Known by their illusive "V601" codename in the future, wiped out from history with only their recruitment notice left as evidence of their existence. An elite force consisting of 48 active Aerial Mage with powerful Type 97 Elinium Orb, giving them capability to fly more than 8,000 feet above sea level and match Tanya's firepower and mana efficiency. An autonomous unit specialize in guerilla and overt mission.

Shared Tropes
  • Badass Crew: After they completed Tanya's training program that make even veteran soldiers a pause, officers in charge of human resource like Rerugen remark they're the best batch of Mage Imperial Army have ever seen.
  • Comedic Sociopathy: They're subordinates Tanya trained personally after all, who remark they're competent enough to enjoy war. They're more often than not playing along with Tanya's black humor. Sometimes even Tanya have to stop them for going too far. This trope is not as apparent in anime than in the manga and the light novel.
    "Welcome to the Empire, did you bring your visa?"
    "Hahaha, Wing Commander, I forgot the welcoming flowers, what should I do?"
    "Sigh, you troublesome fellows. Didn't we brought fireworks as a substitute?"
    "Oh right. Let's set them off grandly then."
  • Dance Battler: In their inspection parade and performance in battlefield, it's noted that while they're not as swift as their commander, their agile movement as if they were playing hide and seek is envied by other Aerial Mages in army.
  • Inspirational Insult: On the receiving end of this from their commander during their training, and still do whenever they get in trouble with her.
  • Hypocritical Humor: With their commander, especially in manga both sides often refer to each other as war maniac.
    Tanya: Speaking of good news, except for myself, the subordinates I recruited are all fellows with the scent of battle maniacs.
    203rd Battalion: Our commander is still smiling, she is really a battle maniac.
  • It's Up to You: Considering who is their commander is, and their position as Rapid Response Force they're more often than not on the receiving end of this trope. They're also an autonomous unit, so the brass wouldn't interfere in how they complete their mission as long as they get the job done.
    "It seems the brass wants to work us like draft horses."
  • Manly Tears: In sixteenth chapter of manga, in response of Tanya's show of patriotism and mercy for enemies.note That rousing line is just her excuse for her tears, she is just touched she get to drink wine at last in this reincarnation.
  • Master of Illusion: Their initial test is spotting illusion, which in line with their commander's favourite tactic Decoy Fishing that use optical illusion spell. Unlike Tanya who deploy this spell as bait, her battalion use this in tandem with evasive maneuver, making them impossible to track in heat of battle on top of their higher combat altitude.
  • Military Mage: A rapid response force consisting of 48 Aerial Mages.
  • One Dialogue, Two Conversations: Tanya's subtle signaling never really get through to her subordinates, yet they act like they did and she never find out.
  • Servile Snarker: The squadron commanders plus Visha from time to time will follow up Tanya's remark whenever the brass give them the most unpleasant and dangerous job with witty lines. While Tanya is more lenient to Visha for this, she doesn't mind their jokes from time to time and would stop them from getting too far like one time they want to play with Dakian soldier's corpse in manga.
  • Training from Hell: Tanya's special menu that Rerugen summarized as Stalked by death for a whole month. note and by the author, Booted off of Alpen. which is literal to some of them who was unfortunate enough to fall off when scaling said mountain, Victoria included. No one died, but whoever lost consciousness was kicked awake by Tanya, or in Victoria's case slapped awake.
  • Undying Loyalty: They would curse Tanya out as laughing and commenting on her quirks behind her back, but there's no doubt they are very devoted to their commander. After witnessing their commander's rage and grief after losing a number of their comrades, it become hard to tell they're more loyal to Tanya or their country.
  • Weapon of Choice: Their magic powered riffle.
  • With A Commander Like This: Their collective opinion about their commander, who they fear more than hellish battlefield. Even her smile traumatize them and taken as You're dead if you don't work hard. while at times Tanya mean it as encouragement. As Visha aptly put it below.
    Visha: "Ah, there was actually an ally I fear more than the enemy."
 
They are soldiers. I would presume they know how to do some maintenance for their gear. Long term, it could well be an issue but I would think Tanya is well aware of this.
If they keep getting stymied and into fights, their stuff's going to break. The anime alone doesn't have any data on just how bad maintenance and lack of parts is but it's probably not trivial, given they're not getting resupplied and are a little unlikely to easily convert local products.

I don't think this is going to be that big of an issue right now or even the weeks ahead.
Quoting Tvtropes is basically the laziest thing you can ever do and any situation presented therein isn't going to be applicable the longer they live in a different world and once they actually start taking merc tasks. Tanya is going to have to keep discipline up and them focused on the mission. Again, the longer they get stymied and have to start doing other things just to keep supplied, the less and less willing they're going to be to follow questionably moral orders and/or do insane things.

She's pretty good at that but running face first into a lot of the Dresden-verse weirdness is bound to be a wakeup call.
 
You say that but considering that Tanya has fought Mary Sioux (Sue) before suggests that Yinko might be using some LN references.
 
If they keep getting stymied and into fights, their stuff's going to break. The anime alone doesn't have any data on just how bad maintenance and lack of parts is but it's probably not trivial, given they're not getting resupplied and are a little unlikely to easily convert local products.
The computation gear is the main problem. Guns have already been taken care of, replaced with local guns. Clothes have also been replaced. They have food and water. Ok so far.

Quoting Tvtropes is basically the laziest thing you can ever do
I'm a lazy person. never denied that.

and any situation presented therein isn't going to be applicable the longer they live in a different world and once they actually start taking merc tasks. Tanya is going to have to keep discipline up and them focused on the mission.
We shall see. She put them through a lot as shown in both anime and manga. They were even tortured. Also, them being in a different world could also makes them close ranks cause of alienation. Thus, they stay together.

Again, the longer they get stymied and have to start doing other things just to keep supplied, the less and less willing they're going to be to follow questionably moral orders and/or do insane things.

She's pretty good at that but running face first into a lot of the Dresden-verse weirdness is bound to be a wakeup call.
She is somewhat aware of this. So what? She does not intend to start a shitstorm with everyone in Dresden verse. Just kill Sarah. Its Dresden who is making this difficult.

Like seriously you make it seem like this setback where Dresden escape to the Nevernever will break Tanya's company when in truth, it shouldn't. Just make them try harder.
 
The computation gear is the main problem. Guns have already been taken care of, replaced with local guns. Clothes have also been replaced. They have food and water. Ok so far.
The computation gear that actually powers the part of their capability that makes them aerial mages.

Yeah, that's not important, I clearly brought the whole issue up for no reason.

She is somewhat aware of this. So what? She does not intend to start a shitstorm with everyone in Dresden verse. Just kill Sarah. Its Dresden who is making this difficult.

Like seriously you make it seem like this setback where Dresden escape to the Nevernever will break Tanya's company when in truth, it shouldn't. Just make them try harder.
You can't really read if you mischaracterize my position like that, but sure. I said she's on a timer. That's it.

Your supposed point is nonsensical, anyway, because it doesn't matter if she intends to start a shitstorm, one is going to happen with him involved.
 
The computation gear that actually powers the part of their capability that makes them aerial mages.

Yeah, that's not important, I clearly brought the whole issue up for no reason.
I did address. its not an issue for now. Could well be for months. Plenty of time to kill Sarah and come up with solutions if possible. These are long term concerns not immediate.

You can't really read if you mischaracterize my position like that, but sure. I said she's on a timer. That's it.
You keep pushing even though I have acknowledged your point. She's on a timer. So? Its not an immediate problem right now.

Your supposed point is nonsensical, anyway, because it doesn't matter if she intends to start a shitstorm, one is going to happen with him involved.
Thats Dresdens fault :V
 
I'm honestly unsure about their gear- some may have maintenance issues but the thing is neither Tanya nor her men are fools- dismissing the ingenuity of fifty-some magic users who are probably wizard power levels when they ALSO have access to the modern technology is absurd.

My guess is they have some trouble with equipment but can loot Dresden's world to create equal or better quality equipment. Tanya is exceedingly aware of much of the theory behind her equipment.

As for her men deserting...

Yeah, she's insanely charismatic and her men have been conditioned by HER specific training from hell to follow her orders without question. Then that training has been reinforced by situations where that discipline saved their lives, and she personally has probably personally saved their lives multiple times along with the country they are jingoistic supporters of. These were not guys who reluctantly followed orders, these were hardened true believers in Tanya's adopted cause.

I mean, it could happen with one or two in bizarre circumstances, but it's absurdly unlikely. Much more likely is the prospect of Tanya recruiting followers from Dresden's world.
 
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At first glance, Marcone seems a bit out of character in that he normally doesn't let others see him off balance or showing frustration. Then again, we don't normally get his POV and inner dialog. If there were a bit in there about him maintaining his composure despite his feelings, then that might work better.

The shift to Sarah's POV needs more than some spaces for the transition. Especially as that is used earlier in the chapter to indicate a short time-skip. Also, I'm not sure the blank-lines-for-time-skip works all that well. For that gap between Tanya's soldier calling and her showing up, starting the next paragraph with a mention of waiting around for a bit and maybe how long might have worked better. When things shift to Sarah's POV, there should be some better hint that it is Sarah in the first sentence or two. Referencing the trenches doesn't do that as everyone in Tanya's crew has that sort of experience.

Spitting on the Council's authority. It may be fine from a legalistic point of view but it would be a mistake to think of it in legal terms, it's not a matter of the letter of the law. The Council is a political body, and they've claimed the fealty of all mortal practitioners for the last thousand years.
Even more than Marcone's list of events, this tells me we are dealing with Dresden after a few books. He just wasn't this politically insightful at the beginning.

As we are a few books along, I'm wondering where some of the other characters are. Before Proven Guilty, then Thomas would have been living in Dresden's apartment, so I'm guessing we're after that. I understand that we are only 3 chapters into this and Dresden would have told people like Molly to stay clear, but I'm going to keep wondering.

Regarding the ongoing argument outside of the story: Considering that the 203rd Air Mage Battalion is intended to operate independently much of the time, I agree with Space_Penguin that any breakdown in equipment or chain of command is likely to take longer than it will take for the events of this story to conclude. However, I also agree that Penguin is misrepresenting the position of some of the people arguing with him.
 
At first glance, Marcone seems a bit out of character in that he normally doesn't let others see him off balance or showing frustration. Then again, we don't normally get his POV and inner dialog. If there were a bit in there about him maintaining his composure despite his feelings, then that might work better.
I kind of figured that at least part of his attitude is a front, that there would be traces of his poor upbringing in his own psyche. But that his actual speech wouldn't reflect that.

Even more than Marcone's list of events, this tells me we are dealing with Dresden after a few books. He just wasn't this politically insightful at the beginning.
It pretty much takes place around where I stopped reading the novels, since I can't recall which events happened in which order all that well, it's easier to just use what I can remember to paint a scenario and not worry that much about the details.
 
My guess is they have some trouble with equipment but can loot Dresden's world to create equal or better quality equipment. Tanya is exceedingly aware of much of the theory behind her equipment.
That's close to my guess, but my guess was 'inferior versions of their equipment that are still quite deadly but less city busting'. They know the theory but they're not engineers or scientists.

I do agree Tanya's pretty charismatic and any desertions are far in the future, though.
 
As for her men deserting...

Yeah, she's insanely charismatic and her men have been conditioned by HER specific training from hell to follow her orders without question. Then that training has been reinforced by situations where that discipline saved their lives, and she personally has probably personally saved their lives multiple times along with the country they are jingoistic supporters of. These were not guys who reluctantly followed orders, these were hardened true believers in Tanya's adopted cause.

I mean, it could happen with one or two in bizarre circumstances, but it's absurdly unlikely. Much more likely is the prospect of Tanya recruiting followers from Dresden's world.
From the anime, the only time we saw insubordination in the ranks was one guy and that was in Arene. Weak stomach for that act. Still gave in and did it.

Regarding the ongoing argument outside of the story: Considering that the 203rd Air Mage Battalion is intended to operate independently much of the time, I agree with Space_Penguin that any breakdown in equipment or chain of command is likely to take longer than it will take for the events of this story to conclude. However, I also agree that Penguin is misrepresenting the position of some of the people arguing with him.

I do agree Tanya's pretty charismatic and any desertions are far in the future, though.
If things go wrong and keep going wrong, there is chance for desertion. There is even chance for desertion as time passes and they decide that they want to stop being soldiers.

But right now, Tanya has their loyalty forged by training, by war, by being their commander they follow into the unknown. The loyalty could even become stronger cause she is the last vestige of command from their country, all of them together are the only people from their home in a world that is unknown to them. Possible alienation makes the bonds between them stronger. hell, we know supplies won't be a problem for causing insubordination as Tanya is already taking steps to try and fix that in advance.

In time this may all weaken and they may desert but that is beyond the scope of Sarah being harbored by Dresden.
 
Hey guys. Stray thought. Do people from another world fall under the Archive's neutrality? Cause if not, Ivy could show up. I mean Harry's life is in danger, and possibly Marcone's (note that i am unsure on what Ivy's canon opinion of Marcone is). And to be perfectly honest I would put my money on Ivy beating all challengers.

...also I want a battle between scary teeny-bopper girls.
 
Has anyone written down information that would indicate that Harry's life is in any more danger than normal? I believe that it would be out of character for Harry to deliberately contact Ivy to ask for help and Ivy would have no way of knowing that Harry needs help in the absence of written information indicating that his life is in greater than normal danger.
 
From my personal experience, strangers from the same country will often close ranks and hang out as one homogeneous group, if only because a foreign culture and land can be intensely alienating (see: expat communities, immigrant ghettos, etc). Though there will always be people who will split off and try to assimilate into the larger society, but language, cultural beliefs and knowledge can compound the difficulty of doing so. And all that's before we even factor in the strong bonds of brotherhood that characterize a blooded military unit.

I don't foresee any defections barring truly horrendous leadership by Tanya.
 
"There are one or two other places I tend to lay low when times get hard. I figure she might be less willing to bomb a church, and the priest I know happens to be very open to giving sanctuary to the weary and needy."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! Oh you're serious... Let me laugh harder ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Tanya will bomb it with extreme prejudice if she has something to say about it...The only way is how is she gonna do it.
 
Yes? The thing about Tanya is there's a certain glee rather than simple resignation in her defiance of Being X.

The initial confrontation with Being X is one thing, but she doesn't defy him in her second life entirely out of spite- she absolutely enjoys flouting the will of something she views as both powerful and hypocritical and she'd absolutely view the Dresden Abrahamic god the same way.

Perhaps if angels stopped her from bombing a church she'd feel differently but she doesn't respect the 'free will' argument for evil- a god that refuses to interfere as evil occurs is to her mind either evil or lazy and should be viewed with contempt.

Of course, she does still have morals of a sort- she'd probably attack the church in the middle of the night to minimize casualties. Assuming she can find a good excuse for her men.

Thing is about Dresden's Capital G abrahemic god is that it DOES actually interfere, although indirectly though objects and people invested with its power... and only against threats rather than in order to reap direct rewards. It keeps it miracles small and secretive.

And I suspect she'd have more respect for it than Being X (Dresden himself is atheistic but the series plays around with 'if' God is the GOD or just another really strong god that has alot of accumulated indirect power to play with... or may have expended much of its direct power in upfront displays in order to reap bigger long term benefits. If you treat it as the second in story then Being X being another example of similar trying to stay relevant where a counterpart is being successful then you get another interesting meta-level conflict to be ongoing.)

All round the concept for this story is a boat load of fun.
 
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Thing is about Dresden's Capital G abrahemic god is that it DOES actually interfere, although indirectly though objects and people invested with its power... and only against threats rather than in order to reap direct rewards. It keeps it miracles small and secretive.

And I suspect she'd have more respect for it than Being X (Dresden himself is atheistic but the series plays around with 'if' God is the GOD or just another really strong god that has alot of accumulated indirect power to play with... or may have expended much of its direct power in upfront displays in order to reap bigger long term benefits. If you treat it as the second in story then Being X being another example of similar trying to stay relevant where a counterpart is being successful then you get another interesting meta-level conflict to be ongoing.)

All round the concept for this story is a boat load of fun.
She still wouldn't consider him a true God, or one worthy of worship. She would simply acknowledge that he has a better business model than Being X.

Her point of view can be summed as "If God is almighty and good, why does evil exist? Why absurd things, like what happened in her first life, happen?". If God isn't Almighty then he isn't a "true God" but merely a powerful being, and if he isn't good he is no different from the Devil. Either way he isn't worthy of worship.
 
She still wouldn't consider him a true God, or one worthy of worship. She would simply acknowledge that he has a better business model than Being X.

Her point of view can be summed as "If God is almighty and good, why does evil exist? Why absurd things, like what happened in her first life, happen?". If God isn't Almighty then he isn't a "true God" but merely a powerful being, and if he isn't good he is no different from the Devil. Either way he isn't worthy of worship.
A rather high bar to set but it's to be expected considering that Tanya is a misotheist
 
She still wouldn't consider him a true God, or one worthy of worship. She would simply acknowledge that he has a better business model than Being X.

Her point of view can be summed as "If God is almighty and good, why does evil exist? Why absurd things, like what happened in her first life, happen?". If God isn't Almighty then he isn't a "true God" but merely a powerful being, and if he isn't good he is no different from the Devil. Either way he isn't worthy of worship.
Fact is that the Dresden version doesn't demand worship (He and all gods get it by having links to relevant concepts and connections... Odin moonlights as Santa Clause afterall). And thus is respectable in having a working business model.

Hell one of the Knights of the Cross is out right an atheist who does not offer worship to any being... just acts in accordance to what it's concepts are and thus became the rightful wielder of the sword he had.

Tanya's point of view would probably approve of... and try to figure out how to exploit it.

She is pretty much in line with the Winter Fae in terms of outlook and attitude.
 
Tanya's point of view would probably approve of... and try to figure out how to exploit it.
Possibly, but Tanya's perspective has obviously changed since having been reborn. When she first met Being X that's one thing, but now she's met gods and had them meddling in her life, she's blatantly biased. She might still try to exploit the situation to her advantage, she would try to exploit any situation I think, but I very much doubt that she will ever like a god or approve of them.
 
Thing is about Dresden's Capital G abrahemic god is that it DOES actually interfere, although indirectly though objects and people invested with its power... and only against threats rather than in order to reap direct rewards. It keeps it miracles small and secretive.
Being X does interfere with things, just not that much as far as we know. It was what transferred Tanya to the Youjo Senki world, it was responsible for making sure that she has all her power






ensured that Tanya was forced to keep praying to him while also making Tanya more powerful with the Experimental orb while making an atheist scientist a believer. Ensured that Tanya would go to university and get stuck into combat forever more and ensured that the war will become a World war or made it happen faster.


A rather high bar to set but it's to be expected considering that Tanya is a misotheist
She still wouldn't consider him a true God, or one worthy of worship. She would simply acknowledge that he has a better business model than Being X.

Her point of view can be summed as "If God is almighty and good, why does evil exist? Why absurd things, like what happened in her first life, happen?". If God isn't Almighty then he isn't a "true God" but merely a powerful being, and if he isn't good he is no different from the Devil. Either way he isn't worthy of worship.
Possibly, but Tanya's perspective has obviously changed since having been reborn. When she first met Being X that's one thing, but now she's met gods and had them meddling in her life, she's blatantly biased. She might still try to exploit the situation to her advantage, she would try to exploit any situation I think, but I very much doubt that she will ever like a god or approve of them.
i think Tanya just does not give a shit about Gods, she never depended on them and was doing perfectly fine before God started shit.

I feel that Tanya may deal better with Olympian gods cause unless I miss something, they don't claim to be omnibenevolent.

Unlike Being X

Being X is in his own words "God", but Tanya in her first meeting with him labeled him as the devil. He is also the responsible of all tragedies and struggles happening in the alternate world. He is the main antagonist of the Youjo Senki series.

Being X is a mysterious being. He claims to be a God, the God of the Bible, the one that gave the 10 commandments to Moses. However, there are a number of Gods and Archangels overseeing the world(s), which goes against what is postulated in the First Commandment. Whether Being X is part of the group of Gods, a spokesperson for the group, a single entity comprising of all the divine beings, or even the Devil like Tanya claims, is still to be determined. His goal appears to be the increase of the number of faithful people in the world.
From the Youjo senki wiki

Could be wrong there. But I can agree that she just does not give a fuck about Gods, just cause you are a god does not mean much to Tanya.
 
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i think Tanya just does not give a shit about Gods, she never depended on them and was doing perfectly fine before God started shit.
From what I understood from reading the manga and the translated novel she was at the beginning either an atheist or an Alatrist(accepts the existence of gods or godlike entities but does not give them any worship) but after she met Being X she turned into a Misotheist(accepts the existence of gods(or beings of divine/demonic nature) but hates them and anything related with them)
 
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