Enlightenment

I'm curious how choosing the ingredient and our method of preparing the potion is part of character creation, must be some hidden bonus that we get depending on the choices.

The ingredient might boost a different stat or give some special bonus.

This is a wild guess but between working alone to having people might effect how skilled he is versus how many allies he has, maybe.

Not sure about the Quantity and Quality stuff though, especially since the commission is only for 1 person that wants high Quality so I don't see any reason why Quantity would be picked.

Or, that's all wrong and instead this is all a prelude and determines the start of the quest.

Now, that i'm thinking about it, maybe Quantity is their so we could rip her off?, she's paying for all the ingredients so we make a bunch of low-mid quality potions and give her 1 while we can sell the others for a large profit. Quality is their so we can improve our standing with her specifically but don't make as much.
 
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Because it is in character creation the question truly being asked her is what sort of working relationship Yon has with his subordinates and clients, and the quantity and quality question is about how he is trying to make an impression. The elixir probably wouldn't be useful to a Celestial Envoy, but it might show the value of the Sect and Lady Va's place within it. Or, if there isn't much, perhaps just she will use it on her own to make herself seem like a more valuable asset to the Sect and thus the Envoy.
 
[X] Gets the honey while they do basic prep work before taking over
[] Sends them out to get the honey while he does everything else
[X] [QA] Maximize quality

Working alone will reduce the final quality to a certain extent - so either of the above tho I prefer getting the honey ourselves. Optimizing quality is also fine.

Basically if we work with some people, we can hit a logical sweet spot. And frankly the basic parts are the most time consuming more than likely, at least at this level of medicine. In genre and practically, leaving the basic work to the minions is also reasonable - you can correct any mistakes they make but are unlikely to lose minions to incompetence or dangerous fauna. Plus, going to get the honey ourselves is more fun - and less likely to be messed up by lackeys.
 
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[X] Gets the honey while they do basic prep work before taking over
[X] Works alone
[X] [QA] Maximize quality

Thank you for the favors lady Va but I'd like to keep my ribs intact this time.
 
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Scheduled vote count started by Academia Nut on Mar 9, 2025 at 12:58 AM, finished with 29 posts and 23 votes.
 
By the way, do we know who this batch of Dreaming Orchid Elixir will actually be for? Is it for the Envoy? Or some third party? Because I've re-read both of the last two updates to check and I'm still none the wiser, which makes me think it's intentionally a secret.

The Envoy's arrival seems like it must be linked here, but I don't know why the Envoy would be impressed by something that can be made by a relatively young and junior Sect member like us. (Even if the Elixir is much more impressive than what you'd typically expect from someone like Yon, this dude is still from a higher plane of existence.) And if so it seems odd that there would be any benefit to boosting quantity over quality. However, if it's for Vas's clan, then I am not sure why making another batch of Dreaming Orchid Elixir would be so urgent?

The description of the Elixir was that is "one of the most potent formulas of reasonable availability for the sect", so presumably Va's family has used it in the past and could obtain their own supplies; this isn't going to radically alter the balance of power between factions. The only way I can rationalise it is if maybe the Celestial Envoy's arrival will cause the Sect to hold a tournament between all of its Junior Disciples or something, and Va wants a little bit of an extra edge going into the tournament? Perhaps her going via Yon is because too much official tampering from families is being discouraged or something. Or she is not the favoured scion and hence has less support.

Whatever the cause here, it has to be a situation where both urgency and a relatively small amount of edge are suddenly at a very high premium. A tournament is something that fits the bill, but I'm curious what other people's thoughts are here.
 
By the way, do we know who this batch of Dreaming Orchid Elixir will actually be for? Is it for the Envoy? Or some third party? Because I've re-read both of the last two updates to check and I'm still none the wiser, which makes me think it's intentionally a secret.
Because it is in character creation the question truly being asked her is what sort of working relationship Yon has with his subordinates and clients, and the quantity and quality question is about how he is trying to make an impression. The elixir probably wouldn't be useful to a Celestial Envoy, but it might show the value of the Sect and Lady Va's place within it. Or, if there isn't much, perhaps just she will use it on her own to make herself seem like a more valuable asset to the Sect and thus the Envoy.
Based on this and what's in the update I'd say its mainly for Va. However, the Sect is in a mad scramble to seem more valuable in any way to the Envoy - so being able to make it at decent quality at all might show value.
 
By the way, do we know who this batch of Dreaming Orchid Elixir will actually be for? Is it for the Envoy? Or some third party? Because I've re-read both of the last two updates to check and I'm still none the wiser, which makes me think it's intentionally a secret.

The Envoy's arrival seems like it must be linked here, but I don't know why the Envoy would be impressed by something that can be made by a relatively young and junior Sect member like us. (Even if the Elixir is much more impressive than what you'd typically expect from someone like Yon, this dude is still from a higher plane of existence.) And if so it seems odd that there would be any benefit to boosting quantity over quality. However, if it's for Vas's clan, then I am not sure why making another batch of Dreaming Orchid Elixir would be so urgent?

The description of the Elixir was that is "one of the most potent formulas of reasonable availability for the sect", so presumably Va's family has used it in the past and could obtain their own supplies; this isn't going to radically alter the balance of power between factions. The only way I can rationalise it is if maybe the Celestial Envoy's arrival will cause the Sect to hold a tournament between all of its Junior Disciples or something, and Va wants a little bit of an extra edge going into the tournament? Perhaps her going via Yon is because too much official tampering from families is being discouraged or something. Or she is not the favoured scion and hence has less support.

Whatever the cause here, it has to be a situation where both urgency and a relatively small amount of edge are suddenly at a very high premium. A tournament is something that fits the bill, but I'm curious what other people's thoughts are here.
Yeah, from what it seems like, Va wants to use the elixir to improve her standing, so there might be some competition, maybe the winner will get some reward from the Envoy, in which case this makes a lot of sense
 
Character Creation 4 New
[X] [Subordinate] Gets the honey while they do basic prep work before taking over
[X] [QA] Optimize quality

Yon considered his options before he shook his head and said, "No, what you want is to show off an asset. This whole thing is going to be expensive, but if you just want Dreaming Orchid Elixir for yourself it would be easier to just buy some from the sect's stock. If you're a good asset for delegating this to me, then I'm a good asset for using my own resources effectively."

The Young Lady Va blinked twice and had her face settle into serene neutrality, which actually meant that she was totally nonplussed and had no idea how to react to that. Eventually she just said, "Then get going."

Getting up from behind his desk, Yon gestured for Va to leave as he opened the door back open while saying, "We'll start immediately, but I need your seal on the requisition forms before the day is out and the supplies for the expedition as soon as possible."

"The forms will be ready within the hour, the perfume shortly after," Va replied imperiously, to which Yon offered a respectful bow, his subordinates mirroring them.

Once the Young Lady had departed, Yon started snapping out orders.

"Ji, Ong, get as much fresh and dried Dreaming Orchid as the Medical Pavilion has available and start grinding; I want everything to go into neutral-bone porcelain crucibles. Hodan, get at least half a dan of 180 proof liquor; make sure its a moonlight batch from the Swan Overlook Distillery. Yue, rent out the reflux dessicator and start packing the primary chamber with Sarcophagus Sphagnum," Yon snapped out in rapid succession, his underlings moving quickly and efficiently to fulfil his instructions.

While they were doing that, Yon was going to grab a number of other ingredients personally. While anyone who knew the Dreaming Orchid Elixir recipe and decided to read the requisition paperwork would be able to figure out what he was doing, there were dozens of things his underlings might be doing with their work. One of the strong points of the elixir was that all but two stages could be done with outer disciple level materials, tools, and techniques - and Yon could "cheat" both those steps with Iron Kettle Belly.

The popularity of the Dreaming Orchid Elixir waxed and waned with time. When there were few working on mass producing it, it eventually became attractive enough that someone took it up as their ticket into the inner or even core disciples. When there were many who worked on the elixir, making more rare and specialized concoctions became considerably more attractive for up-and-coming alchemists, radically reducing the number of people who bothered to learn how to make the elixir when it was most profitable for them personally. The sect as a whole tended to thrive more when the elixir was more available, but the people at the top benefited the most from having more specialists than generalists.

It was a lull period for elixir production, and Yon was among the first of the new generation with a strategy for mass production, he just needed the resources to get started.

By the next morning as Yon was preparing to head out the mountain the sect was built on and into, the wisdom of the Young Lady Va was becoming apparent. The sect's highest tier supplies and equipment were being bought out at a frantic pace as core disciples fought to get projects together to demonstrate their value to the elders. This in turn caused a cascading effect as the next tier down was tapped to work on enhancing materials and tools to serve as replacements or final touches for the highest tier. A few like Lady Va had skipped several steps in the chain to seize large masses of lower tier materials. Some of that was for projects like Dreaming Orchid Elixir, but a great deal of it was to deny resources to those higher up the chain.

With the first batches of Dreaming Orchid mash undergoing chromatic salt catalyzed putrefaction in crucibles submerged in boiling alcohol baths and the Umbral Crescents in the dessicator, Yon's subordinates just had to make sure nothing exploded for the next two days while he ran out to get the honey. There was just one final obstacle in the form of Inner Disciple Amep trying to poach the reflux dessicator Yon was using.

Under normal circumstances an inner disciple could muscle Yon out, and Amep had personally done it before, but there was an excellent reason why Lady Va had done everything officially even though she clearly wanted as few people to know what was going on as possible. The sect was going to get a large cut from an "official" commission, which meant that it was forbidden to interfere without prior authorization. Amep needed an elder in the Medical Pavilion to sign off on a reassignment of sect resources, which was absolutely not happening with the whole sect now in a frenzy. Yon could absolutely tell Amep to go call the Storm Lord a pansy if he wanted.

Whether or not that was a good idea was a separate consideration, since while Yon theoretically would be in the right, that wouldn't necessarily prevent violence in the moment, or political fallout later. Yon was actually fairly certain that with Young Lady Va putting her seal on this he had enough political cover that the sect would fall back on following the rules since it served them better in the long run.

Of course, there were other ways to deal with the situation.

How does Yon deal with this sort of interference?
[ ] Violence
[ ] Sabotage
[ ] Bribery
[ ] Cooperation
 
[X] Violence

We are a reliable man who can be trusted to take a hit without whining. It's time to throw out some hits without whining. Yon said t himself- this is a demonstration of his value, letting someone leech off his production here diminishes his value, and cooperation is absolutely going to be framed as and presented as a zero sum game in a competitive Sect- especially when Yon is so much lower on the totem pole conventionally than the inner disciple 'partner'.

Cooperation is a polite pseudonym for a bribe, this diminishes our value and importance when we are in a major rush to present ourselves as valuable as possible while securing as much personal advantage as we can without compromising our patronage.

Edit: this is even more important given Yon s explicitly about to launch a very lucrative dream orchid elixir mass production scheme and he has the absolute most latitude and legal cover he'll ever get to establish he can pushback on anyone who tries to muscle in on such a lucrative enterprise.
 
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[X] Violence

i know its probebly not going to win, being a good fighter was given up in the first vote, but i still have to try.
 
[X] Violence

Look, we've got the body to make this work. We're ridiculously tough because of Diamond Body, we've got the pain tolerance to make this work, we seem surprisingly unflappable in the face of bodily harm. These are assets we can leverage

Sabotage doesn't work against people that are aware enough of what's going on to stop you; and if you cheese off someone that's better at fighting by sabotaging their stuff, you're either in hiding or you're getting the shit beaten out of you, and we're not that good at hiding.

Bribery takes resources, and shows us to be someone that can be bullied into paying for the pleasure of not being harangued, which if history says anything it tells is that just doesn't work. The people you paid off will come back to get more, AND you'll be in the hole for having done something underhanded, which they'll lean on.

Cooperation is diplomatic, yeah, but everybody in this sect is out for themselves, but once again we're putting ourselves in a bad position by not being decisive about this. Asking to team up with someone that's making their buck off of you is a fantastic way to fall into the same problem as bribery.

So no. Amep has earned a punch to the jaw. I don't think we should kill him, but he definitely needs a definitive period as to why this shit is not okay, because we lack any other kind of leverage and he's the one fucking us over if we allow it. We even have the legal and organizational backing to haul him out by his stupid neck and throw him into a damned river. If anybody complains about us doing it, lo and behold we have official sanction to protect what we're doing physically.
 
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