Emma Barnes, Princess (Worm/Princess the Hopeful Quest)

That first bit applies more to Taylor/Skitter during Worm than Emma. If we were going by what would be closest to the characters then Specchio would be Emma's thing. But we can go and look for the skills we want. Since we are courtless we can pick and choose our skills. Tempesta is good but if we don't live up to it we have to hurt ourselves to get it back. I'd rather we not cut ourselves.
Cutting yourself is a serious exaggeration. Bashing damage is fine for regaining tempesta, and because there are a few tempesta charms that cause bashing damage, it's entirely possible to reach that state without meaning to. Heck, the blessing charm Count No Cost does one bashing damage and is useful enough that i could really see us tapping out with it.
 
I would note that I am hardly against picking Fuoco later - indeed, Emma learning to love (platonically), and really care for others is a valid and appropriate path for character growth (Terra and Legno might also work, while Aqua doesn't really fit). [1]

But growth is the operative word there. Fuoco should be earned, Tempesta overcome. Seriously, once we're past chargen, how many people would ever vote for the Twilight?

(of course, the irony there is that makes us weak to Mirrors~ but that would require the GM handing us that live grenade on his own, because I know what questers are like)

This is the chance to define our character conflict - grabbing Fuoco now is like skipping an entire story arc of character development, and an entire Tempesta subplot.

[1] Thematically, Fuoco would be 'learn to love', Legno would be 'learn to accept' and Terra 'learn to build'. Terra's really the weakest of the three, because it's the one most opposed to Aria.
 
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This is the chance to define our character conflict - grabbing Fuoco now is like skipping an entire story arc of character development, and an entire Tempesta subplot.
Keep in mind that an Invocation is an ideal and how you think things should be done. The lower levels of an invocation don't require you to actually live your life according to the invocation just agree with some of the ideals. Channeling an invocation is basically calling upon the Queens power to help focus yours.

Picking up a Invocation can mean we have started to act in the way an invocation says we should or that we feel that we should be behaving that way and are calling upon the greater powers of a queen to aid us.

Fuoco is us deciding we want to be a strong heroic person and have grabbed ahold of the Queen of Swords image as who we want to be even if we don't know where that image came from. It isn't who we are but who we want to be.

Aria is who we were and want to get back.

Tempesta is us embracing anger and hate for evil.

Specchio is us putting up an illusion of perfection to hide our weakness from everyone especially ourselves.
 
Keep in mind that an Invocation is an ideal and how you think things should be done.

I don't think that's accurate - it would be more precise to say that they are part of who you are. Being aspirational makes dipping into Tempesta as a necessary evil rather strange, and it makes the archetype of a character struggling against their powers - and against themselves - almost impossible to pull off. Given ES's druthers, I'm fairly confident on that being appropriate thematic space.

Further, even if that were true, Tempesta still works. Emma wanting to stand up against danger, stay strong after being hurt, and lash out against those who hurt her all make sense, and learning how to deal with that is what I think her earliest character arcs should be focused on.
 
Keep in mind that an Invocation is an ideal and how you think things should be done. The lower levels of an invocation don't require you to actually live your life according to the invocation just agree with some of the ideals. Channeling an invocation is basically calling upon the Queens power to help focus yours.

Picking up a Invocation can mean we have started to act in the way an invocation says we should or that we feel that we should be behaving that way and are calling upon the greater powers of a queen to aid us.
That's court's, not invocations. A court is what you want to be, an invocation is what you already are.
 
Tempesta is us embracing anger and hate for evil.
No, it's realizing that there is genuine evil out there, gaming the empathy system to make every dogooder unable to fight it by taking almost every person on the planet hostage in some way. Storms is when they say "Better to let one die so that ten may not" instead of letting one person live to go on to kill a bunch of people because they've been darkened and we can't fix them.

Storms is very much a good Invocation, It's just that people don't tend to like burning themselves to make sure that they don't get infected, so it's stigmatized. Indeed, it's explicitly against Storms to use your power to hurt people when you don't really darn well have to. Storms is not the best, not by a long shot, but it isn't evil.
 
No, it's realizing that there is genuine evil out there, gaming the empathy system to make every dogooder unable to fight it by taking almost every person on the planet hostage in some way. Storms is when they say "Better to let one die so that ten may not" instead of letting one person live to go on to kill a bunch of people because they've been darkened and we can't fix them.

Storms is very much a good Invocation, It's just that people don't tend to like burning themselves to make sure that they don't get infected, so it's stigmatized. Indeed, it's explicitly against Storms to use your power to hurt people when you don't really darn well have to. Storms is not the best, not by a long shot, but it isn't evil.

Man, I find Storms extremely sympathetic, but they're still basically Mahou Shoujo Domestic Terrorism. :V Every Twilight Court is theoretically good, in moderation, but there's a reason both the original street demagogue and my Mahou Shoujo Punk Rocker idea are focused on... maybe not letting go, but definitely growing past Tempesta, and that's because hardcore Seraphs tend towards things like carbombs. [1]​

Meanwhile Radiants would only use a carbomb if they knew they street was abandoned. :p

[1] Terrorism is actually a super applicable Ability in the World of Darkness. Seriously.
 
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Man, I find Storms extremely sympathetic, but they're still basically Mahou Shoujo Domestic Terrorism. :V Every Twilight Court is theoretically good... in moderation, but there's a reason both the original street demagogue and my Mahou Shoujo Punk Rocker idea are focused on... maybe not letting go, but definitely growing past Tempesta, and that's because hardcore Seraphs tend towards things like carbombs. [1]​

Meanwhile Radiants would only use a carbomb if they knew they street was abandoned. :p

[1] Terrorism is actually a super applicable Ability in the World of Darkness. Seriously.

Still, it's seen as the most heroic of the twilight invocations to dabble in, because it only really hurts you instead of making you insane or evil.
 
I don't think that's accurate - it would be more precise to say that they are part of who you are. Being aspirational makes dipping into Tempesta as a necessary evil rather strange, and it makes the archetype of a character struggling against their powers - and against themselves - almost impossible to pull off. Given ES's druthers, I'm fairly confident on that being appropriate thematic space.

Further, even if that were true, Tempesta still works. Emma wanting to stand up against danger, stay strong after being hurt, and lash out against those who hurt her all make sense, and learning how to deal with that is what I think her earliest character arcs should be focused on.
It isn't just conscious beliefs that are relevant to what invocations you have but subconscious ones. Even the twilight courts have good points that a completely rational magical girl can agree with and get a dot from.

Evil does need to be fought and sometimes you need to accept some collateral damage for the greater good. Tempesta 1

Sometimes standing up for what's yours even if it isn't morally the right thing to do is acceptable. Lacrima 1

I am special, I have special powers, I am working harder than others to make the world a better place. I deserve to feel good about myself. Specchia 1

They don't need to agree with the full extreme of the invocation to get that first dot. Even if they are incredibly against the idea of the Storm court they can still get a dot of Tempesta if they fight with everything they have and are willing to make sacrifices especially of themselves. Dipping into Tempesta means they admit that the ideals of the storm are at least partially right and they are willing to accept it's power. Invocations are both what you are and what you think you should be.

Invocations are their true views as to the ideals of the invocations.
That's court's, not invocations. A court is what you want to be, an invocation is what you already are.
No a court is who you work with in the dreamlands. They are literal courts in there. It is a far more formal connection than an invocation. You can have any invocation you want without knowing what they are but you can't have a court without knowing what is going on with them. With the minor exception of Storms as the storm comes to those who agree with her.

No, it's realizing that there is genuine evil out there, gaming the empathy system to make every dogooder unable to fight it by taking almost every person on the planet hostage in some way. Storms is when they say "Better to let one die so that ten may not" instead of letting one person live to go on to kill a bunch of people because they've been darkened and we can't fix them.

Storms is very much a good Invocation, It's just that people don't tend to like burning themselves to make sure that they don't get infected, so it's stigmatized. Indeed, it's explicitly against Storms to use your power to hurt people when you don't really darn well have to. Storms is not the best, not by a long shot, but it isn't evil.
This is accurate. I was summing it up in one sentence in the context of Emma initially embracing it. She isn't going to immediately come upon the more nuanced version of storms right off the bat. She would have to grow a bit for that she would start with more along the lines of "fuck them I am going to make them pay". Remember I voted for storms last round after it became clear swords wasn't winning. It is very good, but it is at it's core about anger and hate. It however is a very effective way of embracing that anger and turning it towards the deserving. Tempesta allows for free uses against darkness, not just any target as brutal is it is Tempesta doesn't do evil intentions. They don't even do hypocrisy as they have self sacrifice as part of their ideals and built directly into their charms.
 
This is accurate. I was summing it up in one sentence in the context of Emma initially embracing it. She isn't going to immediately come upon the more nuanced version of storms right off the bat. She would have to grow a bit for that she would start with more along the lines of "fuck them I am going to make them pay". Remember I voted for storms last round after it became clear swords wasn't winning. It is very good, but it is at it's core about anger and hate. It however is a very effective way of embracing that anger and turning it towards the deserving. Tempesta allows for free uses against darkness, not just any target as brutal is it is Tempesta doesn't do evil intentions. They don't even do hypocrisy as they have self sacrifice as part of their ideals and built directly into their charms.
Perhaps that's the case if we took it as a primary invocation, but this is just a secondary. Emma would probably agree that "they need to pay" but if making them pay would make other's miserable then that runs right into Aria 2.
 
Pft, I don't care either way as long as Aria is maximal. I just have apprehension towards Tempesta and with good reason given game history so far.
 
Vote Tally : Emma Barnes, Princess (Worm/Princess the Hopeful Quest) | Page 22 | Sufficient Velocity
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[o] Plan Hot Air
- Aria 2
- Fuoco 1
No. of Votes: 11

[o] Plan Whirlwind
- Aria 2
- Tempesta 1
No. of Votes: 11

[o] Plan Did Someone Call For A Bad Idea?
- Aria 1
- Tempesta 1
- Specchio 1
No. of Votes: 4

[o] Plan Tailor
- Terra 2
- Tempesta 1
No. of Votes: 1

[o] Plan Mutton
- Specchio 2
- Lacrima 1
No. of Votes: 1


Total No. of Voters: 28

EDIT: How long until the vote is called? I'd like to know how much time there is for people to change their minds.
 
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It looks like 'Plan Did Someone Call For A Bad Idea?' gets to be kingmaker.

You'd think they'd vote for the option only one invocation different, but Salblazier already proved that's not necessarily true. Maybe they just liked Mirrors.
 
On a different note, we should start thinking up some regalia. The two winning plans are similar enough that we could probably use quite similar regalia.
 
On a different note, we should start thinking up some regalia. The two winning plans are similar enough that we could probably use quite similar regalia.

I'm planning a vaguely Punk theme, because it fits aesthetically with Spades and Storms, if you check their Heraldry. It should also be light and easy to move in, as that is, again, part of both Storms and Spades.

Also rebellious teenage phase~ (Her parents like that she's happy again, but they're worried she'll fall into a bad crowd)

Edit: Also, her attribute spread is probably
Social-Physical-Mental with a Finesse focus.
 
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