East Africa 1930: An ORBAT Quest

One point of note is that the first infantry coming into this schedule is that many of these infantrymen are likely to learn basic Japanese language skills alongside their native language and written Arabic.
Banzai, this is yet another great victory against colonialism by Japan (and Reewiin). We are forging stronger bonds between our two nations and sticking it to the decadent Western powers by not having English or god forbid French as the common tongue of the army. We should encourage our people to adopt Japanese customs (and language) to distinguish ourselves more.
This has the added benefit of confusing the pathetic westerner, for our messages shall be encoded in multiple scripts (kanji, katakana, romanji, Arabic and whatever Somali script we use since there are a few) thus they will never figure out our secret messages sent via pigeons.

Speaking of expanding our bonds, we should just import ammo from Japan, I'm sure nothing will happen to our great friend that would cut off said supply. Investing in ammo factories is foolish.

I sure hope we get rid of those pesky anti Japanese politicians, we should invite the Japanese Kempeitai police to investigate them; I'm sure they will be unbiased and fair.
 
Was their damage control training notably bad, or just not as good as the US? That kind of seems like something we wouldn't do better at ourselves without learning the hard way.
Not particularly bad, but flawed in approach - Japanese damage control was done by damage control teams, and everyone else is supposed to stay where they are. This is great, unless the damage control station has just been hit by a bomb or otherwise something goes poorly.

Edit to interject: Taiho wasn't a damcon failure as much as being slow to adopt new practices and flawed ship designs. The US had some nasty hangar incidents and introduced things like CO2 purging, but Japan was slower and Taiho was suboptimal.

I'm not sure what training on a riverboat is necessary aside from damcon, thus my agreement. For bluewater stuff I would definitely want foreign help, and most likely from Japan, but for riverboats idk if we would see value from doing it right now.
I want to point out that if you asked the crew of the Kutulo as it exists to set Condition Zebra they would try to find a stripey horse. Current damage control training consists of a short briefing on where the lifeboats are. While Japanese damage control procedures are a popular figure of fun amongst the thalassocognoscenti, they beat the hell out of what you have now.
With how small our ships are, they'll at least be quick to reach general quarters :D

Also, wow, that's a fun Scrabble word.
 
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Having a steady supply of rifle ammunition is one of the most vital things for our army without a significant 6.5mm ammunition our troops will lack both training and may end up with most soldiers in case of war only getting 10 rounds at most due to supply shortages
 
[X] Expand Production: 6.5x50mmSR - Ammunition production is less demanding than weapons production and it would be possible to rapidly train more workers and acquire more tools to produce sufficient ammunition to maintain our current stockpiles without adversely affecting the production of weapons. (6-Month Investment.)
[X] Enlarge the Army - Currently, Reewiin maintains a standing Army of 6,000 men organised into six effective battalions. There are several options for enlarging this, and we can create formations and units that we do not currently have the equipment for if we want. It's perfectly possible to specify an artillery division is to be formed and only then start looking for an artillery piece to equip it. Select one or more:
-[X] Increase recruitment and expand existing formations - Write in the desired force size and structure. (Variable Investment, 6-12 months)
 
[X] Expand Production: 6.5x50mmSR - Ammunition production is less demanding than weapons production and it would be possible to rapidly train more workers and acquire more tools to produce sufficient ammunition to maintain our current stockpiles without adversely affecting the production of weapons. (6-Month Investment.)
[X] Enlarge the Army - Currently, Reewiin maintains a standing Army of 6,000 men organised into six effective battalions. There are several options for enlarging this, and we can create formations and units that we do not currently have the equipment for if we want. It's perfectly possible to specify an artillery division is to be formed and only then start looking for an artillery piece to equip it. Select one or more:
-[X] Increase recruitment and expand existing formations - Write in the desired force size and structure. (Variable Investment, 6-12 months)


[X] Plan: Making Boolit

Ok, so what are the desired force size and structure? Do we go for the the 30,000 men thing immediately?

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Also, have no idea how force structures work.

Changed vote.
 
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I know that the mortars aren't popular, but I've gotta give it a shot

[X] Plan: Forlorn Hope
-[X] Emergency Purchase (3-Month Investment. Variable delivery time. Can be selected multiple times.)
--[X] 250 Brandt Mle 27/31 81 mm mortars
-[X] Enlarge the Army
-[X] Institute conscription (6-Month Investment)
--[X] Semi-annual conscription of 5,000 new soldiers, serving for a two-year period including training followed by four years in the "short notice" reserve, for a total strength of 20,000 active soldiers and 40,000 reservists.
--[X] The enlarged force is structured into brigades of three regiments (one active service, the other two reservists). Each regiment is structued after the current organization of the 2nd 'Kismayo' Regiment, except the AT/AA battery is moved to the battalion level (as in the 1st 'Reewiin Guards' Regiment) and a headquarters unit is provided to each battalion once sufficient officers are available.

[X] Plan: Making Boolit
-[X] Expand Production: 6.5x50mmSR (6-Month Investment.)
-[X] Enlarge the Army
-[X] Institute conscription (6-Month Investment)
--[X] Semi-annual conscription of 5,000 new soldiers, serving for a two-year period including training followed by four years in the "short notice" reserve, for a total strength of 20,000 active soldiers and 40,000 reservists.
--[X] The enlarged force is structured into brigades of three regiments (one active service, the other two reservists). Each regiment is structued after the current organization of the 2nd 'Kismayo' Regiment, except the AT/AA battery is moved to the battalion level (as in the 1st 'Reewiin Guards' Regiment) and a headquarters unit is provided to each battalion once sufficient officers are available.

Debating between 5,000 soldiers per recruitment cycle serving for 2 years, or 6,700 soldiers serving for 1.5 years. Conscription is likely necessary to hit our targets, and if we can add enough benefits to serving (I know providing a limited education as a bonus has been thrown about), then it'll hopefully not be unpopular in the long run.

Edit: Actually, if we are conscripting people, we might need to bite the bullet and introduce supply companies at this point since there won't be as many people able to act as porters for the army?
 
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Detailed Brigade ORBAT / TOE

Brigade Headquarters
-Command Staff
-Sapper Company (5xOfficer, 25xNCO, 144xOR)
-AA Company
-Medical battalion (rudimentary first aid stuff in our case; stretcher bearers, wagons for transport of wounded, etc.)
-Brigade trains (horse care, supply trains, field kitchens, etc.)
-Brigade Artillery (planned to eventuallu be 12xguns with officers, ncos, etc.)

Rifle Regiment (x3 per Brigade)
Regimental HQ
-Command Staff
-Sapper Co. (5xOfficer, 25xNCO, 144xOR)
-Recon Co.
-Signals Co.
-Regimental Trains
-Regimental Artillery (planned to be 4xGuns, with officers, ncos, crews)

Infantry Battalion (x3 Per Regiment, x9 per Brigade)
-Battalion HQ
-Signal Group (10-20 runners, etc.)
-Ambulance Group (1xCart, 1x Horse, 5xStretcher Bearers)
-Supply Group (3xCart, 4xWagon, 11xhorses, 12xDrivers)
-AT/AA Company (4x13.2mm Hotchkiss, 2xOfficers, 4xNCO, 16xOR)
-3 Rifle Companies
--Company HQ (2xOfficer, 1xNCO, 4-6xOR [runners, etc])
--Heavy Weapons Platoon (Currently 2x Type 3HMG; 1xOfficer, 2xNCO, 8xOR)
--3 Rifle Platoons (1xOfficer, 8xNCO, 48xOR)
 
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Sorry if I missed it, but do we need to resort to conscription so quickly? The current plans would greatly dilute our already ill disciplined military with conscripts.
 
Because we recieved a mandate from the government to expand the Army and the sooner that we get that done the sooner the troops can be trained to be disciplined.
 
IIRC it's going to be necessary to buy around 20,000 Type 30s (or some other stopgap rifle) to meet the 30k requirement; even if rifle production doubled overnight it probably wouldn't be enough.

Thoughts on a project to simplify rifles? I figure it has to be done eventually and the earlier it's done the better.
Not necessarily an extensive re-engineering, but looking at places where corners can be cut without harming performance too much.

And where would mortar units go? Company-level?
81mm medium mortars are usually at the battalion level.

60mm light mortars are usually at the company level.

50mm ultralight mortars / standalone grenade launchers are at the platoon level. Ex. German/French 50mm, Japanese knee mortar, British 2-inch mortar.
 
Because we recieved a mandate from the government to expand the Army and the sooner that we get that done the sooner the troops can be trained to be disciplined.

I get that, but the gap on active soldiers for the mandate is what? 14,000?

Plus set up a basic reserve system for veterans going forward, with maybe a bonus being offered to current ones willing to assume the responsibility, should close some of the gap on the second part.
 
As ever we are not trying to make the perfect army. We are trying to make an army that best suits requirements and resources.

EDIT: Actually, in that spirit, changed my mind. We have time to turn around the ammo situation. Mortars are a capability we could use right now, for our highest need: defending Reewiin against unexpected assault.

[X] Plan: Forlorn Hope
 
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Folks, I love the idea of getting those mortars ASAP, don't get me wrong.

BUT, while the ammunition shortage isn't described as being critical yet... beginning conscription will exacerbate the ammunition supply issues when we start training thousands of dudes at once! We'll really be up shit creek then. Does Shit Creek have enough depth to support gunboats?

Plus our first Type 3s might finish, and need stress-testing with lots of bullets...

Also,
we can create formations and units that we do not currently have the equipment for if we want. It's perfectly possible to specify an artillery division is to be formed and only then start looking for an artillery piece to equip it.
We can make mortar units who might be running around with tree-trunks or dummy steel tubes for awhile until we get the weapons ordered.

[X] Plan: Making Boolit
 
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It's ok, we don't have enough rifles for all those men in the first place :^)

If the current factories can't support 6k men training semi-regularly, they certainly won't support 30k, and with 60k in wartime we may as well arm them with pikes.

I know that the mortars aren't popular, but I've gotta give it a shot

[X] Plan: Forlorn Hope
-[X] Emergency Purchase (3-Month Investment. Variable delivery time. Can be selected multiple times.)
--[X] 250 Brandt Mle 27/31 81 mm mortars
-[X] Enlarge the Army
-[X] Institute conscription (6-Month Investment)
--[X] Semi-annual conscription of 5,000 new soldiers, serving for a two-year period including training followed by four years in the "short notice" reserve, for a total strength of 20,000 active soldiers and 40,000 reservists.
--[X] The enlarged force is structured into brigades of three regiments (one active service, the other two reservists). Each regiment is structued after the current organization of the 2nd 'Kismayo' Regiment, except the AT/AA battery is moved to the battalion level (as in the 1st 'Reewiin Guards' Regiment) and a headquarters unit is provided to each battalion once sufficient officers are available.

[X] Plan: Making Boolit
-[X] Expand Production: 6.5x50mmSR (6-Month Investment.)
-[X] Enlarge the Army
-[X] Institute conscription (6-Month Investment)
--[X] Semi-annual conscription of 5,000 new soldiers, serving for a two-year period including training followed by four years in the "short notice" reserve, for a total strength of 20,000 active soldiers and 40,000 reservists.
--[X] The enlarged force is structured into brigades of three regiments (one active service, the other two reservists). Each regiment is structued after the current organization of the 2nd 'Kismayo' Regiment, except the AT/AA battery is moved to the battalion level (as in the 1st 'Reewiin Guards' Regiment) and a headquarters unit is provided to each battalion once sufficient officers are available.

Debating between 5,000 soldiers per recruitment cycle serving for 2 years, or 6,700 soldiers serving for 1.5 years. Conscription is likely necessary to hit our targets, and if we can add enough benefits to serving (I know providing a limited education as a bonus has been thrown about), then it'll hopefully not be unpopular in the long run.

Edit: Actually, if we are conscripting people, we might need to bite the bullet and introduce supply companies at this point since there won't be as many people able to act as porters for the army?
Veterinary units also.

Not sure on term lengths; a year of training, then a year of active service? Vaguely recall reading something about too-short conscription periods leading to incompetent troops.

Loose thoughts on conscription and recruiting/unit structure.

Regional units (ex. Bur Gaabo recruits going into the Bur Gaabo division(s)) come with a degree of esprit de corps built in, but inherit demographics, biases & grudges accordingly and risk turning into ready-made regional armies in event of civil war.
They also come with the "Pals Battalion" problem where if a unit takes heavy casualties, a town could find itself hollowed out in a single battle.

Reewin has been noted to have issues with ethnic and regional division; assuming conscription is actually fair, IE not disproportionately recruiting poor or minority citizens or allowing wealthy ones to buy their way out, mixing recruits up and running them through military training and giving them a good faceful of glorious modern pan-Reewin nationalism could break down those barriers and create a sense of national solidarity in The Youth Of Today.

Though depending on which political party puts its hands in the curriculum, that might or might not be a good thing.

Equally, it also means the sons of the Great and the Good would have to mingle with unwashed southerners and possibly even call them "sir", which I'm sure would go over like a lead balloon. But having the country rip in half at the worst possible moment because ethnic issues were allowed to fester wouldn't be much good either.

Even without ethnic restrictions, officers and technical roles are likely to end up being dominated by wealthy coastal Somalis just by default of those being the most educated population. But as has been mentioned, the military can be a source of education in its own right...

-service guarantees citizenship?-

So even if a volunteer structure could keep working fine, conscription could be a worthwhile institution for political reasons.
 
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