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Well, we would not have given them the right to veto anything, and if they are willing to threaten a military coup, if they do not get what they want, then only having given them a non-voting seat will not stop them from doing that.
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East Africa 1930: An ORBAT Quest
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Generally the most dangerous thing to give a political actor is dashed expectations. That very consistently animates stronger backlash than straight up denial or oppression. That's the risk of giving the military a vote imo. It just raises their hopes that they're going to have a strong influence and makes them more bitter when they're outvoted. The nonvoting advisory position is a more realistic statement.
It's totally possible they resent this too! But on some level the military is always going to resent not entirely dictating their own reality and we're better off not trying to aggressively cater to them because that thirst can never really be quenched short of military rule. That doesn't mean ignore them, or never do them favors or listen to their concerns or anything. But we need to do that within a big picture strategy of not selling our own authority down to nil.
It's totally possible they resent this too! But on some level the military is always going to resent not entirely dictating their own reality and we're better off not trying to aggressively cater to them because that thirst can never really be quenched short of military rule. That doesn't mean ignore them, or never do them favors or listen to their concerns or anything. But we need to do that within a big picture strategy of not selling our own authority down to nil.
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First, I would like to ask, how often we are likely to disagree with the army on a matter?
My belief is that we often would be able to come some sort of mutual understanding.
Secondly, I will point out that army will be able to see, that being outvoted is a possibility in cases, where they have an opinion, that the rest of the Defense Council disagree with, since they will be able to see that they would only have at most two votes compared to how many other members the Council have. Therefore, they would be able to set expectations based on that.
Thirdly, I would not call giving the army a voting seat on a council of military expects, that gives the government advice on defense policy for aggressively catering to them, but rather respecting that they have a valuable opinion on the matter worth listing to.
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I can pretty easily see disagreeing with the Army! We also have the Carabinieri to spend time and money on, and potentially a third armed service in the future, and the Army wants to look out for itself. The Army's representative also isn't going to be a neutral and objective voice of the service but someone chosen by their leadership - an officer, undoubtedly Somali, probably senior. So when it comes time to change how things are done in the name of reform, I don't think they're going to consistently come to an understanding with us, no.
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IIRC the headquarters who'll be voting is mostly 1st Regiment officers who view the recent reorganization as a limited measure which at most gives them some influence over the other regiments, and think that in the case of war that we'll revert back to traditional regimental organization. That's not what we want and it'll likely be something we have to argue about when we go for military maneuvers - even basic professionalization that's good for the army may still rub the specific people in charge the wrong way.
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But have we had any big disagreements with them yet? The only ones I can think of is the decision about if we ought to go to war with Ethiopia and with officers of 1st regiment about the restructuring of their regiment. Of course, we might have some issues, that we disagree with them on, but I do not think that they will be more accepting of those issue, just because, they were not given a vote on it.
I feel a good way to make the army stay loyal, is to make sure that it's members feel listed to and respected.
While I am a bit unsure, how the army liaison will be picked, I do not think that it will be dominated by officers from 1st Regiment, at least not officers, that truly disagree with us with the recent reorganization. I would for example point to the recommendation of the Brigadier, that seems to be supportive of changing the structures of the regiments.
Might've missed something while reading the quest but I don't think that was mentioned yet?
Most of the forces making up the Army Headquarters Unit were pulled from the First Regiment (Mortenkan's last quote above is from the same post), with the exception of the Division Training Detachment (which came from the Second).
Anyways, in advance of the next update @ everyone, we'll be making a new long-term plan, presumably for the next three years. What programs do you all think we should make our focus, given the limited number of points?
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My choices are definitely going to be strongly influenced by the results of the government info review, but I'd like to see starting a naval force + sending observers abroad as two out of the five goals, with presumably the majority focused on army reforms and heavy metal. Observers and other foreign doctrine research is probably points light. The navy thing is clearly already something the President wants to see and the kind of long term investment that it's helpful to start early rather than try to crash launch in an emergency.
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I've been thinking about that, and pending what we hear from the government and so on, I think one adequate division-equivalent with some readiness and mobilization/maneuver experience is a good target for the Army - doable and enough to stop any colonial empire from making a quick fait accompli against us, though not enough to stop a serious invasion. With that foundation we can plan on expanding and developing supporting arms in the future, as one division + carabineri is still a small force given our population.
A plan to achieve that might look like:
A plan to achieve that might look like:
- Regularize the brigades on the pattern of the 2nd (taking us from 6 battalions to 9).
- Improve army training and carry out maneuvers to gain experience with new training/equipment/logistics
- Improve and formalize officer/artillery schools.
- Evaluate/prepare based on ongoing conflicts and possible enemies
- Improved equipment, especially fire support and communications
- Naval service?
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Yeah I do think army size is something that's likely high on the agenda. The army head called that out at the top of his wishlist iirc.
Yeah, it'll depend a lot on what the Government wants. We should try and consider that when identifying long-term goals.
Personally I'm very heavily leaning into sending attaches. I have been very seriously informed that "also if you don't at least send observers to the Chaco War [at least one of the QMs] will cry", and I couldn't do that to them. Likewise, formalized training (both at a high level - setting up officer schools - and at a low level - providing instruction within the barracks) is appealing.
I'm a fan of reorganizing the Army into three equal regiments with all the appropriate bells and whistles, but I'm not sure if we should do that before both expanding our training apparatus and the government budget increasing?
I'm also torn because I'd like to keep some focus on our current programs. We've put the effort into starting up a domestic arms industry, and we could try and use it to make some money to fund future programs. Said arms industry/procurement system will probably be important if we want to create a standardized organization (e.g., the 1st Regiment has no battalions and the 3rd only two, so we'd need to create four new battalion gun or mortar sections as part of the expansion). The Carabinieri are doing pretty well, but our current momentum could be used as the nucleus of reforms to things like our (high priority) naval service and eventual air force and radio network.
Another thing that may be worth considering is starting up a tractor factory so that, in the short term, we don't all starve if the Army and Carabinieri are mustered during harvest season. The long term benefits are obvious as well.
Also, we've got 4 investment points to spend until April 1935 unless we improve our economy somehow.
Personally I'm very heavily leaning into sending attaches. I have been very seriously informed that "also if you don't at least send observers to the Chaco War [at least one of the QMs] will cry", and I couldn't do that to them. Likewise, formalized training (both at a high level - setting up officer schools - and at a low level - providing instruction within the barracks) is appealing.
I'm a fan of reorganizing the Army into three equal regiments with all the appropriate bells and whistles, but I'm not sure if we should do that before both expanding our training apparatus and the government budget increasing?
I'm also torn because I'd like to keep some focus on our current programs. We've put the effort into starting up a domestic arms industry, and we could try and use it to make some money to fund future programs. Said arms industry/procurement system will probably be important if we want to create a standardized organization (e.g., the 1st Regiment has no battalions and the 3rd only two, so we'd need to create four new battalion gun or mortar sections as part of the expansion). The Carabinieri are doing pretty well, but our current momentum could be used as the nucleus of reforms to things like our (high priority) naval service and eventual air force and radio network.
Another thing that may be worth considering is starting up a tractor factory so that, in the short term, we don't all starve if the Army and Carabinieri are mustered during harvest season. The long term benefits are obvious as well.
Also, we've got 4 investment points to spend until April 1935 unless we improve our economy somehow.
Turn 12 News, Rumours, & Updates: October-December 1932
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Project Development
Ongoing Projects
[X] Establish the Ordnance Office - Developing an arms industry from scratch will take time and effort. An Ordnance Office will allow us to delegate some of that work to specialists. (Constant Investment.)[X] Production Licensing: Machine Guns - Attempt to buy the rights to produce the ZB vz.30 in 6.5×50 mmSR. (6 Months Remain) ☑☑◻◻
[X] Establish the Carabinieri Oversight Office - No one really keeps an eye on the paramilitary police force that keeps watch over the nation. If the force is to be reformed and re-established in a new role, then oversight is needed at the very least. (Constant Investment.)
[X] Organisational Reform: Wilderness Rangers - The Carabinieri is responsible for massive tracts of rural land. A specialist ranger unit trained in long-distance patrol and survival would be useful to the force as a whole. (6 Months Remain) ☑◻◻
[X] Information Review: Government - Determine what the civilian government wants out of their armed forces. (3 Months Remain) ◻
[X] New Council Liaisons: Create permanent non-voting liaisons for the armed services and industry. Two will go to the armed services (one for each service, currently the Army and Carabineri), and three will be industrial representatives: one for each of the arms industry, the rail industry, the recognized unions in these industries. (3 Months Remain) ◻
Completed Projects
[X] New Uniform Standard - The current issued uniform barely qualifies and is only truly standardised amongst the officers and the cavalry. Order new, standardised uniforms and web gear for the whole army. (Complete!) ☑☑Kismayo-Turkana Line:
Progress, Marsabit-Turkana: 61% (Est. completion October 1933)
Arisaka Rifles, Orders, and Production:
Progress, Rifle Deliveries: 65% (Est. completion December 1932)
Progress, Rifle Factory: 3 rifles per day
Type 3 HMG Project:
Progress, Reverse Engineering: 80% (Est. completion March 1933)
October 1932
International Headlines
Britain: Oswald Mosley announces the formation of the British Union of Fascists.Chicago: Babe Ruth, star baseball player, gestures to the outfield before hitting a home run exactly where he pointed!
Adwa: King Vittorio Emmanuelle III begins a tour of Eritrea to celebrate the fiftieth anniversary of the Italian colony.
Geneva: Britain grants independence to Iraq: new nation admitted to League of Nations.
United States: What Hath God Wrought: telegram circumnavigates globe in 4 minutes 45 seconds on telegraph centennial.
Berlin: Albert Einstein in row with scientific community: Earth 7 billion years older?
Turin: Benito Mussolini proposes four-power pact: France, Britain, Italy, Germany to maintain peace in Europe.
Milan: Mussolini: All of Europe will be fascist within a decade.
November 1932
International Headlines
Hamburg: Twelve shot in clashes between communists, national socialists.Berlin: Communists, national socialists call for strikes: 15,000 transit workers refuse work, 3 dead in clash with police.
Geneva: Swiss Social Democratic Party and National Union class during demonstration. Army suppresses strike, killing 13.
Berlin: Franz von Papen resigns as Chancellor of Germany.
France: Bomb destroys French railway: was Prime Minister target?
Berlin: National Socialist leader Adolf Hitler is offered, refuses position of chancellor.
Paris: France, Soviet Union sign non-aggression pact.
December 1932
International Headlines
Berlin: President Hindenburg appoints Kurt von Schleicher new chancellorGeneva: Mexico announces its intention to withdraw from the League of Nations.
Berlin: Fifty deputies from communist, national socialist parties clash in Reichstag lobby.
Geneva: Peace in our time? Britain, France, Germany, Italy declare disputes will not be solved with war.
Paris: War debt plan rejected, prime minister voted out. New prime minister appointed.
Europe: France, Poland, Belgium, Estonia, Hungary default on war debt payments to United States. What consequence this will have for Europe is to be seen.
Argentina: Police arrest two former presidents: seditious plot foiled?
London: British Broadcasting Corporation expands coverage to entire empire with new Empire Service.
La Paz: Heavy fighting around Saavedra in the Chaco. Both sides claim defensive victories.
Issues
The January Plan, 1933
The 1930 plan could be condensed into the following five points:- Develop a national arms industry.
- Establish a Remount Service to supply horses to the Army.
- Find a way to improve logistics through horses.
- Establish a Council-controlled Information and Analysis Office.
- Reform the Carabinieri.
The only fly in the ointment has been the Information and Analysis Office, which has been established but has generally found itself underfunded and underutilised. So far, nobody in the Treasury Department seems to have noticed that most of their time is spent twiddling their thumbs and engaging in idle speculation.
The Army are generally happy with the reforms so far, with shiny new uniforms and rifles on the top of their list of likes. They are still concerned about the lack of AT and AA weapons and are pushing for a solution to their concerns to be included in the January Plan.
The Carabinieri are very happy with their expanded and reformed role and seem to be content with their equipment, organisation, and responsibilities for now. However, some members are pushing for further expansions of the Carabinieri into the air and sea domains.
The Government is split into two camps, which your information review has provided significant amounts of information on. They can generally be split into the 'domestic policy' and 'foreign policy' branches of government.
Domestic policy advisors and important administration figures, including the President, are very pleased with the reforms so far. They consider the Defence Council to provide generally good value for money for Reewiin via their investment into the rail system, pastoralism, and the arms industry. They are especially glad that the money spent has been kept in Reewiin, allowing them to tax it back. Their only major objection is the Kutulo, which they view as an expensive potential boondoggle that exposes them to political risk if not given a purpose.
The other faction, foreign policy advisors and figures led by the Defence Minister, are unhappy with your work so far. They ask whether any of this investment has resulted in a better defended Reewiin. The Army is the same size and similarly equipped to itself three years ago. The Carabinieri's training has improved, but they aren't the nation's chief line of defence. Logistical development is all well and good, but Reewiin cannot project force because it has no force to project. While they admit the 1930 Defence Plan was enacted effectively, they must ask: what has it actually achieved?
What does the council recommend to the government and military high command? Please create a plan including at most 4 of the following options, those you consider the highest priority:
[ ] Reform The Army (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] With no specific focus
- [ ] With a focus on training and leadership
- [ ] With a focus on artillery and supporting arms
- [ ] With a focus on individual equipment.
- [ ] With a focus on expansion
[ ] Establish a formal training academy (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] For Infantry Officers
- [ ] For Artillery Officers
- [ ] For Cavalry Officers
- [ ] For new Officers
[ ] Resolve the question of the Kutulo (Select one of the following)
- [ ] By establishing a Navy
- [ ] By forming a special unit of an existing service
- [ ] By other means
[ ] Improve Logistics and Communications networks across Reewiin (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] Improve the Roads
- [ ] Improve the Rails
- [ ] Establish telegraph and radio offices
[ ] Buy aircraft in order to form (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] A Carabinieri Air Patrol
- [ ] An Army Air Corps
- [ ] An Independent Air Force
- [ ] Some other reason
[ ] Write in (Select as many times as you want, subject to QM veto)
You are more than welcome to ask questions about what is acceptable as a write-in vote.
There will be a 6-hour moratorium on voting to encourage discussion. The vote will close in three days.
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….wait what Hitler refused to become leader of Germany?….we're free guys
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I think a focus on training and leadership will give us most bang for buck, honestly. Having a well-organized, well-trained, well-disciplined force is a huge force multiplier.
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Hmm i am going to make a bit of a wish list but it is not even close to a sensible/well thought out plan. (it's late so this message it's a bit rushed)
[ ] Reform The Army (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] With a focus on training and leadership
- [ ] With a focus on artillery and supporting arms
- [ ] With a focus on expansion
Although i am a bit iffy on focussing on artillery (we might not be able to make it, until we figure out how to improve the industrial capacity) we are Hopelessly outclassed if we don't have it. And i would like to press that some actual training before an army expansion would be preferable if only so our officers can get the new recruits up to speed faster.
[ ] Establish a formal training academy (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] For Infantry Officers
- [ ] For new Officers
We need new officers but we might not be able to dometically produce our own dometically produced artillery. therefor i would like to focus on our inflantry. althoug now i think about it having snipers or some sort of special forces type units might be nice. No clue if the officer school could make that happen though.
[ ] Resolve the question of the Kutulo (Select one of the following)
- [ ] By establishing a Navy
The ship might not be that usefull in war but it might be a good training ship for the time being. Let's use it for that wile we make or procure better and more modern ships.
[ ] Improve Logistics and Communications networks across Reewiin (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] Improve the Roads
- [ ] Improve the Rails
- [ ] Establish telegraph and radio offices
THIS I WANT ALL OF THIS, okay real talk we desperately need to improve our logistics (considering we want to expand the army at some point) and communications if we want to defend the nation of reewin.
[ ] Buy aircraft in order to form (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] An Army Air Corps
So i am of the opinion that it might be a bit early for aircraft. However attaching scouting planes or spotting planes (for artillery) should be more than possible.
Also side note the Chaco war happend in the OTL, this might mean that the Italo-Ethiopian war 2 electric boogaloo of 1935-1936 could also happen. This could be an huge opportunity for Reewiin to make somekind of african alliance/profit of the war/claim land or just all of the above.
[ ] Reform The Army (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] With a focus on training and leadership
- [ ] With a focus on artillery and supporting arms
- [ ] With a focus on expansion
Although i am a bit iffy on focussing on artillery (we might not be able to make it, until we figure out how to improve the industrial capacity) we are Hopelessly outclassed if we don't have it. And i would like to press that some actual training before an army expansion would be preferable if only so our officers can get the new recruits up to speed faster.
[ ] Establish a formal training academy (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] For Infantry Officers
- [ ] For new Officers
We need new officers but we might not be able to dometically produce our own dometically produced artillery. therefor i would like to focus on our inflantry. althoug now i think about it having snipers or some sort of special forces type units might be nice. No clue if the officer school could make that happen though.
[ ] Resolve the question of the Kutulo (Select one of the following)
- [ ] By establishing a Navy
The ship might not be that usefull in war but it might be a good training ship for the time being. Let's use it for that wile we make or procure better and more modern ships.
[ ] Improve Logistics and Communications networks across Reewiin (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] Improve the Roads
- [ ] Improve the Rails
- [ ] Establish telegraph and radio offices
THIS I WANT ALL OF THIS, okay real talk we desperately need to improve our logistics (considering we want to expand the army at some point) and communications if we want to defend the nation of reewin.
[ ] Buy aircraft in order to form (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] An Army Air Corps
So i am of the opinion that it might be a bit early for aircraft. However attaching scouting planes or spotting planes (for artillery) should be more than possible.
Also side note the Chaco war happend in the OTL, this might mean that the Italo-Ethiopian war 2 electric boogaloo of 1935-1936 could also happen. This could be an huge opportunity for Reewiin to make somekind of african alliance/profit of the war/claim land or just all of the above.
Okay, an interesting update...
So, to start with, the Foreign Clique is a bunch of whiny bitches. The Carabinieri are important because they strengthen our chief line of defence - if we need to increase the size of the military fast, having a few thousand people who already know which end of a gun to point at the enemy is good (although we do need to teach them this). The Army is far better equipped, having a uniform that it seems the Army is mostly pleased with and rifles that weren't manufactured 40 years ago. Yes, there's still a ways to go, but come on, guys, there's a great depression happening.
The Kutulo seems like a good opportunity to satisfy two camps. We can, presumably relatively cheaply, turn the Kutulo into a thing for the Carabinieri to putter about the coast with and do the occasional visit to our neighbours. That'll also assuage the Domestic Clique's biggest concern.
Which leaves us with the AA and AT weapons. it's very high cost, but I think we should try and develop medium-sized weapons within Reewiin; the government is happy with us for expanding the arms industry, and if we come up with something that's good enough, we might be able to sell it abroad. This is where the Type 3 HMG reverse engineering comes into play.
I've mentioned it before, but the Italians developed a rather good medium anti-aircraft cannon by taking their license-produced Hotchkiss machine guns and scaling it up to fire a 37 mm shell. The early naval mountings had severe issues, but most of these were due to the Italians attempting to make a non-recoiling mount (so the stress and vibration of firing would be transferred to the ship's deck); since any weapon we want would need to be fired from a mobile carriage, we can't fall into that trap. It'd also be useful as an anti-tank gun for quite a while - for a quick point of comparison, it's a heavier and faster shell than that fired by the Pz.38t's 37 mm cannon. Even if this flops, we can fall back on the 13.2 mm Hotchkiss. We have a bunch of those to tear apart and the patent has expired, so we should be able to build a domestic copy once we've reverse-engineered the operating mechanism.
I'd propose the following 4 points (worded poorly so far):
Seems we've plateau'd at 3 per day, or roughly 1000 rifles per year. Given that we have finished our rifle purchases, I'm not too upset by this; if we can somehowget a buyer for even more rifles later on (hi, Japan!), we may need to figure out how to raise this, but for now it's good.
This seems fine, especially because we'll probably be able to rope the information and analysis office into stuff in the future. Overall I'd say we were successful, but it does emphasize that, going into the next 3-year plan, we should avoid any goals that we're unlikely to achieve.
So, to summarize what the factions want:
- The Army wants AA and AT weapons
- (some of) The Carabinieri want planes and boats
- The Domestic Clique wants efforts that can provide investment back into Reewiin (like how the railways and arms industry did)
- The Domestic Clique wants something done with the Kutulo
- The Foreign Clique feels like we haven't achieved much of note.
So, to start with, the Foreign Clique is a bunch of whiny bitches. The Carabinieri are important because they strengthen our chief line of defence - if we need to increase the size of the military fast, having a few thousand people who already know which end of a gun to point at the enemy is good (although we do need to teach them this). The Army is far better equipped, having a uniform that it seems the Army is mostly pleased with and rifles that weren't manufactured 40 years ago. Yes, there's still a ways to go, but come on, guys, there's a great depression happening.
The Kutulo seems like a good opportunity to satisfy two camps. We can, presumably relatively cheaply, turn the Kutulo into a thing for the Carabinieri to putter about the coast with and do the occasional visit to our neighbours. That'll also assuage the Domestic Clique's biggest concern.
Which leaves us with the AA and AT weapons. it's very high cost, but I think we should try and develop medium-sized weapons within Reewiin; the government is happy with us for expanding the arms industry, and if we come up with something that's good enough, we might be able to sell it abroad. This is where the Type 3 HMG reverse engineering comes into play.
I've mentioned it before, but the Italians developed a rather good medium anti-aircraft cannon by taking their license-produced Hotchkiss machine guns and scaling it up to fire a 37 mm shell. The early naval mountings had severe issues, but most of these were due to the Italians attempting to make a non-recoiling mount (so the stress and vibration of firing would be transferred to the ship's deck); since any weapon we want would need to be fired from a mobile carriage, we can't fall into that trap. It'd also be useful as an anti-tank gun for quite a while - for a quick point of comparison, it's a heavier and faster shell than that fired by the Pz.38t's 37 mm cannon. Even if this flops, we can fall back on the 13.2 mm Hotchkiss. We have a bunch of those to tear apart and the patent has expired, so we should be able to build a domestic copy once we've reverse-engineered the operating mechanism.
I'd propose the following 4 points (worded poorly so far):
- Continue working on the Carabinieri, including giving them the Kutulo to perform peace cruises and fisheries policing.
- Develop a domestic AA weapon
- Set up enlisted and officer training programs
- Send attaches to observe the Chaco War
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Idk, the Foreign relations Faction has a point. In that case, the best remedy is use our new ship to form new Navy, and expand Land Forces.
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I want to point back to the Army Reform Program of 1930, and the recommendations we got from Brigadier back then, which besides improved equipment was mostly about increasing the numbers of the army, which I think is an important issue.
Another important issue pointed out in the Army Reform Program is, that we might want to change/decide on a doctrine for the army to better know, how we want the army to used in a potential conflict. Since a doctrine should be used to design and train the army, then it would be best to do it early.
The best way to evaluate a future doctrine is to see it in action. This is why I think we should send observers to the Chaco war; both sides have a variety of European and local influences and it'd act as an acid test for what works and what doesn't. We can then take that and modify it to Reewiin's strategic needs and reality.
As for increasing numbers, if we expand the armed forces too fast we won't have enough officers or materiel, which will drastically hurt effectiveness. Are we at the point where we can do it without issues?
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It is a good point, that sending observers will help evaluate, what a good future doctrine might be.
About if we are at point, where we can expand the army, then I will note, that we gained the ability to enlarge the army after we had recruited more NCOs, so I think, that we are at point where we can do an expansion, though it can still end up putting pressure on our officer and NCO corps. Though I will point out, that there will likely always going to be some growing pains, when we expand the army, so we might want to do it, a while before we need to use the army, so that we will have time to fix any issues, that might turn up.
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Alright.
I think our priorities must be:
-Training and expansion of the army; we need to at least double the size of the army and ideally triple, so we have the equivalent of a division-size force, with a full brigade assigned to each region (north / south / east). Our focus should be on training and discipline and potentially supporting arms, as individual arms are nice to have but aren't war-winners.
-Establish a formal officer and NCO academy, with an emphasis on infantry, artillery and new officers to allow for our expansion plan. Cavalry would be nice to add in, but our cavalry arm is small and even in our expansion plans we're only planning on having a battalion or regiment (at most) at the army level.
-Improved logistics, ideally through a combo of all three options, especially telegraph and radio.
-Establish a naval force, either through the Carabinieri as a specialist force or a full-blown navy (I favor the Reewin Carabinieri Naval Defense Force myself).
If we didn't have the cruiser, I'd say invest in an airforce instead but we do have it, so we gotta do something with it.
I think our priorities must be:
-Training and expansion of the army; we need to at least double the size of the army and ideally triple, so we have the equivalent of a division-size force, with a full brigade assigned to each region (north / south / east). Our focus should be on training and discipline and potentially supporting arms, as individual arms are nice to have but aren't war-winners.
-Establish a formal officer and NCO academy, with an emphasis on infantry, artillery and new officers to allow for our expansion plan. Cavalry would be nice to add in, but our cavalry arm is small and even in our expansion plans we're only planning on having a battalion or regiment (at most) at the army level.
-Improved logistics, ideally through a combo of all three options, especially telegraph and radio.
-Establish a naval force, either through the Carabinieri as a specialist force or a full-blown navy (I favor the Reewin Carabinieri Naval Defense Force myself).
If we didn't have the cruiser, I'd say invest in an airforce instead but we do have it, so we gotta do something with it.
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As far as war industry goes, while we should keep developing it I think planning for domestic cannon production is too much for now - for one thing that's a long lead-time item that we'd need to start early and may not have the capacity to start in time, for another thing it's hard. Acquiring foreign weapons and focusing domestic arms expansions on shells (the most important), anything we can sell abroad (if it seems like there are opportunities), or infantry mortars (easy and useful) seems like a better focus.
Just as an estimate that might be helpful, we're currently bringing in 16 point-turns per year, so that's 48 point-turns in the next three years plus likely some more as the economy improves/tension rises - based on the last three year's experience we should be able to crudely budget out the point-turns between goals to see what's viable.
@4WheelSword or other QM, can we get estimates on the point/time commitment it'd take to expand existing infantry forces by say one, three and six battalions? Even a vague estimate could be helpful.
If we can't, which would also make sense given that the army probably hasn't expanded in years, then it may be wisest for us plan on getting a second battalion for the 1st Regiment regardless of if we pick the army expansion goal, and use that to calibrate our expectations on expansion costs.
Just as an estimate that might be helpful, we're currently bringing in 16 point-turns per year, so that's 48 point-turns in the next three years plus likely some more as the economy improves/tension rises - based on the last three year's experience we should be able to crudely budget out the point-turns between goals to see what's viable.
@4WheelSword or other QM, can we get estimates on the point/time commitment it'd take to expand existing infantry forces by say one, three and six battalions? Even a vague estimate could be helpful.
If we can't, which would also make sense given that the army probably hasn't expanded in years, then it may be wisest for us plan on getting a second battalion for the 1st Regiment regardless of if we pick the army expansion goal, and use that to calibrate our expectations on expansion costs.
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Ok, giving my thoughts on the matter.
[ ] Improve Logistics and Communications networks across Reewiin (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] Improve the Roads
- [ ] Improve the Rails
- [ ] Establish telegraph and radio offices
View this as high priority not only because it helps in economic stuff as well.
[ ] Reform The Army (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] With a focus on training and leadership
- [ ] With a focus on artillery and supporting arms
- [ ] With a focus on individual equipment.
- [ ] With a focus on expansion
All of these seems needed, even if I don't fancy expanding the Army.
[ ] Establish a formal training academy (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] For new Officers
A part of me wants to have some sort-of training academy but thinks building specialized ones is not going to be as efficient as just building a general officer school.
[ ] Resolve the question of the Kutulo (Select one of the following)
- [ ] By establishing a Navy
I don't want to give Naval Jurisdiction to the Carabinieri because it's initially just going to be used for patrolling the border, we will eventually need a dedicated Naval Arm and I think that building one from the ground up is the better option.
[ ] Improve Logistics and Communications networks across Reewiin (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] Improve the Roads
- [ ] Improve the Rails
- [ ] Establish telegraph and radio offices
View this as high priority not only because it helps in economic stuff as well.
[ ] Reform The Army (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] With a focus on training and leadership
- [ ] With a focus on artillery and supporting arms
- [ ] With a focus on individual equipment.
- [ ] With a focus on expansion
All of these seems needed, even if I don't fancy expanding the Army.
[ ] Establish a formal training academy (Select as many of the following as needed)
- [ ] For new Officers
A part of me wants to have some sort-of training academy but thinks building specialized ones is not going to be as efficient as just building a general officer school.
[ ] Resolve the question of the Kutulo (Select one of the following)
- [ ] By establishing a Navy
I don't want to give Naval Jurisdiction to the Carabinieri because it's initially just going to be used for patrolling the border, we will eventually need a dedicated Naval Arm and I think that building one from the ground up is the better option.
We gotta ask ourselves if a naval arm will actually see use over a airforce honestly, also the battleships stuff is something we don't want to get pulled into.
Cooperation wise since it seem mustache man is not coming to power it may be worthwhile co-operating with the Germans to get a leg up via their military doctrine which should be in development right now. In the early days of ww2 the Germans where very much ahead of the curve(tactically at least strategically the Germans where to be frank insane and things deteriorated as the war went on and they developed less then practical ideas) as seen in France.
Cooperation wise since it seem mustache man is not coming to power it may be worthwhile co-operating with the Germans to get a leg up via their military doctrine which should be in development right now. In the early days of ww2 the Germans where very much ahead of the curve(tactically at least strategically the Germans where to be frank insane and things deteriorated as the war went on and they developed less then practical ideas) as seen in France.