Drip [Worm AU | Alt-Power]

Pretty sure Armsmaster never mentioned that Taylor is getting recorded. We can assume he recorded her, but he didn`t TELL her, which makes it inadmissible legally
I can't tell at this point whether you're actually ignorant or intentionally ignoring reality to suit your argument.

They don't need to tell her they're recording things. They're law enforcement. They record everything by default, and whether you know about it or not is irrelevant because they'll still use it against you if they need to.

You can try to fight against the evidence being submitted to court, but that doesn't stop it from happening, doesn't stop the law from otherwise using it against you, and isn't guaranteed to work anyway if the police can prove that they had a legitimate reason to record you.

Like, say, as a precaution when dealing with an unknown potentially hostile cape for the first time, or to record details given by an inexperienced person who knocked out a bunch of people and can't explain how, or someone who was readily willing to divulge details in an interrogation room, or someone who was known to have unnecessarily harmed a large number of people.
 
I can't tell at this point whether you're actually ignorant or intentionally ignoring reality to suit your argument.
Mostly I come from a cultural and legal background significantly less fucked up than the USAs, so I tend towards errors from sheer disbelief in how fucked up the legal system is over there.

They don't need to tell her they're recording things. They're law enforcement. They record everything by default, and whether you know about it or not is irrelevant because they'll still use it against you if they need to.
Okay. So ? My main point was that even if the conversations were all recorded, which is never explicitly stated, they`re still easy to spin against the PRT. Releasing them is a double edged sword. It`s doubtful they would want to, especially as Taylor isn`t exactly a huge threat that msut be brought down at all costs.

You can try to fight against the evidence being submitted to court, but that doesn't stop it from happening, doesn't stop the law from otherwise using it against you, and isn't guaranteed to work anyway if the police can prove that they had a legitimate reason to record you.
Sounds like a matter for the courts rather than the PR circuit and contract negotiations here.

Like, say, as a precaution when dealing with an unknown potentially hostile cape for the first time, or to record details given by an inexperienced person who knocked out a bunch of people and can't explain how, or someone who was readily willing to divulge details in an interrogation room, or someone who was known to have unnecessarily harmed a large number of people.
Right, potentially hostile cape. That just sort of walks up and figuratively gushes over you and engages in conversation. Then discovers she did a whoopsie and does her level best to work with the authorities to undo the damage, despite having to deal with the master of tactlessness. That DOES just SCREAM 'potentially hostile'.
Pull the other one it`s got bells on.
Remember how powers are bullshit ? This sort of thing happens literally every day in Worm; parahumans inexperienced with their powers causing things they didn`t mean to. Now, how much provision there is under the law for those situations depends entirely on how grimderp that particular incarnation is, but at this point we don`t know.
Though I love how you yourself are spinning it for the PRT. That 'unnessecarily' could just as easily be replaced with 'unintentionally' and be just as true. Also, those people were intending to do her and others harm. How would you class that anyway ? 'Uninentional negligent excessive force' ? Teenagers make mistakes, y`know, and it`s not like Taylor is against becoming a Ward, where she can learn to use her powers more responsibly. She, Danny rather, just doesn`t want a shit deal here, and while the PRT no doubt prefers people who fold immediately they can still reach an amicable conclusion here rather than having another Ward that actively resents being one, which is in both parties interest.

End of the day my argument is that even if those tapes exist they will either remain unreleased, thus having little if any impact on the strength of Danny/Taylor and the PRT at the negotiation table, or their release is going to cause so many furious spins on either side that a storm of massive proportions may just be kicked loose, which the PRT certainly does not want to risk. Armsmaster is sore that his PR coop turned into a disaster, but the PRT in general ought to be more pissed at him than at Taylor here.

Or the PRT will play to type and try to use their big stick rather than just carrying it. Which seems like a spectacularily stupid idea considering how terrifyingly useful Taylors power is even if she can 'only' Manton limited transfer liquids within a radius around her.

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EDIT : Cape Names ! Depends on what her powers actually are. If it`s actual generation then 'Wellspring' is a nice, PR friendly name. If it`s transference, which is much less mindboggling on the 'reverse entropy' front then 'Pipeline' or 'Conduit'. Since she`s not actually a tinker, chemical and alchemical insinuations should be avoided.
 
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Wow, just...wow. I can understand Taylor not thinking of all this when she's got Halbeard in her face. Intimidation and all that. But having her not understand what her father is trying to tell her, despite the fact that she isn't supposed to just implicitly trust authority figures, is just disappointing. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Lol nope. She came off as -ahem- rather stupid in this latest chapter. Its nothing against the author of course. I just really don't think they have Taylor's character/personality down. She's quite smart, she should have been able to grasp what Danny was telling her quite easily.
 
Like, say, as a precaution when dealing with an unknown potentially hostile cape for the first time, or to record details given by an inexperienced person who knocked out a bunch of people and can't explain how, or someone who was readily willing to divulge details in an interrogation room, or someone who was known to have unnecessarily harmed a large number of people.

Are we reading different stories?

Because she could have explained how if Armsmaster wasn't trying to shit down her throat.

I see no harm - yet. Merely inconvenience.

Lol nope. She came off as -ahem- rather stupid in this latest chapter. Its nothing against the author of course. I just really don't think they have Taylor's character/personality down. She's quite smart, she should have been able to grasp what Danny was telling her quite easily.

The problem with a lot of posts like this is that hindsight is 20/20, to start off with. Taylor is smart - chapters like the first one reflect that. She might appear "stupid" to some of you in regards to how she uses her power, but as Frankly appears to utterly ignore the mere possibility of - responding under pressure is vastly different circumstances than sitting there in a library for hours glancing through wikipedia.

The same can be said of trying to convert a naive idealist's train of thought and reasoning to that of a divorce lawyer or union boss. I mean, is common sense not a thing anymore, or what?
 
Hell Danny isn't even a union boss. He's head of hiring.
 
Pretty sure the blame for that can be laid squarely at the feet of the general economic state of Brockton Bay and the Boat Graveyard. It`s by no means an ironclad indication of Dannys proficiency.
I never said it was, but it's something to keep in mind.
 
Are we reading different stories
Apparently. This is the thread for Drip.

Because she could have explained how
No, she couldn't. Please read Drip:
What the - what the hell did you hit them with?"

...

Unfortunately, I didn't actually know the answer. "I'm - um, I'm not really...sure."
"We had to declare the area a biohazard. What the hell were you thinking?"

"Please," I said, reeling, "it was an accident! I didn't mean-"
How could I tell him that I didn't even know what antilung was? That I didn't know the dosage, the side effects - anything? That I had just grabbed for something convenient and taken for granted that it would work the way I thought it would?
He took the bottle. "You seem disturbingly uncertain. What sort of side effects?"

"I don't know"
"What is it?"

I looked down. "I don't - I don't really know.
I don't get what I really wanted. I get substances that satisfy the conditions I stated, but have unexpected side effects.
"It's different."

It was. The new cure I had made was orange in color, though it still had the metallic sheen. It was also in a separate layer from the green liquid, like oil and water.

"I really - I don't know."

I see no harm - yet. Merely inconvenience.
You think accidentally putting someone into a coma is 'mearly inconvenience'?
hospitals usually place comatose patients in an Intensive Care Unit (ICU) immediately.
Note: the 'I' does not stand for inconvenient.
The concentration is directed to preventing infections such as pneumonias, bedsores (decubitus ulcers), and providing balanced nutrition.[16] Infections may appear from the patient not being able to move around, and being confined to the bed. The nursing staff moves the patient every 2–3 hours from side to side and depending on the state of consciousness sometimes to a chair. The goal is to move the patient as much as possible to try to avoid bedsores, atelectasisand pneumonia. Pneumonia can occur from the person's inability to swallow leading to aspiration, lack of gag reflex or from feeding tube, (aspiration pneumonia). Physical therapy may also be used to prevent contractures and orthopedic deformities that would limit recovery for those patients who awaken from coma.
Yeah, being comatose is just a joke really.
A person in a coma may become restless, or seize and need special care to prevent them from hurting themselves.
They'll be fine. Just leave them alone for a while and I'm sure they'll wake up.
People may emerge from a coma with a combination of physical, intellectual, and psychological difficulties that need special attention. Recovery usually occurs gradually—patients acquire more and more ability to respond. Some patients never progress beyond very basic responses, but many recover full awareness.
Yep, practically a holiday.

Why, it's outright bizarre that Armsmaster got so angry about this in the first place. Clearly Taylor deserves a medal of some sort. A handshake and a pat on the back at least.
 

Yes, I know this is the thread for Drip. I'm not currently engaged in discourse with you in any other threads, thank heavens for that, so please, spare me the condescension.

Because short of someone else using your account, you've just provided proof by directly quoting the relevant text (along with further ancillary excerpts) that you're utterly incapable of processing him doing, again, something you've quoted, ie, my post, in his steamrolling over her and either preventing a sufficient enough response to address his query, or a response period, again, for reasons I've already detailed. Which you fail to address utterly, in favor of lazily ignoring it at any extent possible to harp on something that to anyone exercising even a single iota of critical thought is something that had she been allowed to vocalize, would've utterly changed his tact of questioning.

As far as a coma being inconvenient and not harmful - nothing you list there is directly from the coma itself. But from complications. You like to pretend you're intelligent enough, then you should be capable of understanding the difference. Because I've not been in a coma, and I've encountered some of those issues. As have people who weren't even in the fucking hospital.

Considering the situation, and the fact this isn't real life and therefore the common coma... I reiterate once again my statement on common sense. Fucking apply some.
 
Don't forget that she was defending 'the children' from lethal force. Legally she could have killed them. The fact that unknown to her they were villians doesn't even matter. The Undersiders didn't have kill orders. The ABB had guns (lethal weapons) and intent to kill. It might not be "HEROIC" to have killed them but it's not prosecutable. As a matter of fact I bet that this was the LEAST amount of collateral damage a Lung fight had ever generated. Trying to prosecute her for a lesser crime will go nowhere unless someone invokes grimderp. It was standard strong arm gestapo PRT/Protectorate/Wards tactics to threaten her.
 
Name: She could go by 'Fifty Niner' --as in how many CCs are in 2 ounces.
Liqueen
Antidote
Dispensary
Injection

If she can do blood serums on demand she could also be 'Transfusion'
Specimen
Juice!
 
Something that just occured to me :

According to the PRT, creating biohazards with parahuman powers isn`t actually a major offense, so I don`t see why Armsy is so up in arms about it. Sophia pretty much got away with it after all.

Or is it only okay when PRT aligned capes do it to non-PRT aligned regular humans ? Is that it caused a Trigger relevant to that ? Inquiring minds want to know !

(I`m being facetious. Of course it`s only okay when they can`t use it to pressure a parahuman into joining)
 
Brain damage is not going to happen. After all, that would negate the "few hours" effect as injury induced unconsiousness is too unpredictable for that sort of timeline.

"How many months have 28 days?"

"All of them."

She didn't say it knocks him out for at most a few hours. Knocking him out forever includes a period of a few hours at the start where he is knocked out.

Even if it interprets the request as "at most a few hours", she forgot to specify that it doesn't have side effects. It could knock him out for a few hours and then he'll wake up with the mind of a 6 year old.
 
I can't tell at this point whether you're actually ignorant or intentionally ignoring reality to suit your argument.

They don't need to tell her they're recording things. They're law enforcement. They record everything by default, and whether you know about it or not is irrelevant because they'll still use it against you if they need to.
Not true, unless WOG provides that Earth Bet law is different.

As per this summation of US law
:
All Party Consent
Eleven(11) states require the consent of everybody involved in a conversation or phone call before the conversation can be recorded. Those
states are: California, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington. These laws
are sometimes referred to as "two-party" consent laws but, technically, require that all parties to a conversation must give consent before the
conversation can be recorded.

If BB was in Mass or NH, then that recording would be at best inadmissible (to wit, she's a minor without a guardian or lawyer present during the conversations in question and most certainly didn't give consent to be recorded).

Additionally, Federal law applies, again from that summation:
The Federal Communications Act of 1934(47 U.S.C.A. §§ 151,et seq.) provides that no person "not being authorized by the sender shall
intercept any communication and divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect or meaning of such intercepted
communication to any person." 47 U.S.C.A. § 605. In Nardone v. United States, 308 U.S. 338(1939), it was held that this section prohibits
divulging such communications in federal criminal prosecutions and prohibits the use of information thus obtained in such prosecutions (the
"fruits of the poisonous tree" doctrine).

Evidence obtained by wiretapping in violation of § 605, is rendered inadmissible in a state court solely because its admission in
evidence would also constitute a violation of 47 U.S.C.A. § 605. Lee v. State of Fla., 392 U.S. 378 (1968). The mere interception of a telephone communication
by an unauthorized person does not in and of itself constitute a violation of § 605. Only where the interception is followed
by the divulging of the communication, as by introducing it into evidence, would there be a violation of § 605.
IOW, were he to divulge that recording publically, he would be in violation of Federal law.

IANAL, so I might be wrong, but as far as I can tell, the above is applicable to this situation.
 
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So I am really liking this power and story; But the Danny+wards conversation and negotiation has been done to death :p you could probably skip it. I think its less exciting because there is not a lot of character interactions; and its hard to write: "Taylor gets X concessions that the plot demands" too excitingly.

I'm more excited to read about more super liquid shenanigans and the inevitable Taylor/Sophia blow-up.
 
So I am really liking this power and story; But the Danny+wards conversation and negotiation has been done to death :p you could probably skip it. I think its less exciting because there is not a lot of character interactions; and its hard to write: "Taylor gets X concessions that the plot demands" too excitingly.

I'm more excited to read about more super liquid shenanigans and the inevitable Taylor/Sophia blow-up.

The wards negotiations are taking longer than I thought, so I am trying to wrap it up, because there are other plot points that I want to get to. I don't want to skip it entirely, but I'll try to avoid dragging it out. Not sure if I'll be able to do an update tonight, but I hope I can resolve the situation in the next chapter.
 
I think the biggest plot hole here is that Taylor, someone who figures out the best way to use exotic insects and spends a long time making a uniform in canon, would just go out without figuring out the limitations of her powers. If I can, in five minues of reading, ask "are the liquids created or taken from somewhere else" and "how much like a jackass genie is the power when interpreting requests", she can as well. She was practicing her throwing for weeks; she surely had enough time to dye some vinegar blue and then ask for a couple of ounces of blue vinegar, or to get out a sheet of paper and write up how to phrase a request so it didn't create neurotoxins.
 
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I think the biggest plot hole here is that Taylor, someone who figures out the best way to use exotic insects and spends a long time making a uniform in canon, would just go out without figuring out the limitations of her powers.
Not exactly the case. From canon, she had no idea about using her bugs for a number of things, ranging from sight and hearing, how to use them to speak, or how her range increase/decrease worked. On top of that, despite the time she'd had she hadn't figured out what triggering was, had little idea about any gang in town except the most well known ones, and had at least one glaring hole in her preparations that almost cost her her life on her first night out since she couldn't simply call for help without a means of communication.

Fanon presents her in a far more 'Batman style' always prepared for everything light than she really is.
 
Not exactly the case. From canon, she had no idea about using her bugs for a number of things, ranging from sight and hearing, how to use them to speak, or how her range increase/decrease worked. O

But none of those things are as easy to do. And it would be really easy to do some simple tests to find out whether the liquids are created, and it would only take a couple of minutes to write down how to phrase a request for liquid in combat. Using insects to speak needs practice, and takes a *lot* longer.

despite the time she'd had she hadn't figured out what triggering was,

This is one of the things that Wildbow said he'd change, and is obviously there only to provide exposition to the reader.
 
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and it would only take a couple of minutes to write down how to phrase a request for liquid in combat

Ehn... kind of ? If the power actually creates whatever liquid from scratch, isn`t limited to things that already exist or are even chemically possible, and only cares about explicitly stated conditions it could be a pretty lengthy process figuring out even a few 'recipes'. 'A liquid that knocks out Lung, and only Lung, for X time without otherwise harming him' sounds pretty specific right ?

Just the first thing it could incidentally do without violating those conditions is heat way the fuck up on contact with air. Lung won`t care, but ABB ganger#469 might find himself suddenly in possession of third degree burns from splashes. Or it might violently and continuously burn on skin contact. Lung might only get knocked out from loss of oxygen, others would skip 'knocked out' and go straight to 'ash and cinder'.

I don`t doubt Taylor COULD come up with relatively concise, general purpose liquids but it isn`t quite as simple as you assume, and a lot of it would be trial and potentially highly dangerous error.

Or I guess she could just call it a day early and slaughter all in her way with Fluorine.
 
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And it would be really easy to do some simple tests to find out whether the liquids are created, and it would only take a couple of minutes to write down how to phrase a request for liquid in combat.
The issue is that
But none of those things are as easy to do
until you know you need to do them. It's very easy for us to say she should have done this stuff, but it's not like there's a dozen posts after the first chapter going "Oh, I hope she realises how she has to phrase things!"

People reading the story know it's an issue because there was foreshadowing in one of the chapters, but until that point no one was talking about it.

So why should we expect Taylor to, when everything she's done up until this point has either worked perfectly fine (as far as she knows) or been something she didn't see too much of a need to stress over?

Remember that the things one person sees as obvious aren't necessarily obvious to others, especially when the thing giving you powers picks you specifically.
 
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