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firefrog600 said:
I'm going to note zagreus worshipers on earth can now pull off the raise dead spell. If his religion doesn't become the biggest on Earth I'd call bullshit. Give it'd take time get to numbers of those who worship a form of the abrahamic God. But, it should gain more followers than scientology after just a hand full of years and within the century should be up there or larger than religions like Hinduism, Christianity, Muslim, and so on.
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The thing is, both Buddhism and Christianity are fruits of Hellenism. The first testament was written in greek instead of Hebrew for a reason. His muse cares little for dogma or how people interpret than she does for the pursuit of virtue and the performative excellence that springs from it. A truly dedicated catholic priest who believes in JUSTICE and acts true to it in all things might suddenly discover he can heal people. The same is true for some irreverent and quirk neo-witch who believes in FREEDOM. In a sense, this is the best and worst way to go about it since his clerics and paladins are the most committed and passionate about it. so even if a cursory glance is all it take to see their powers are the same, their own creeds would be at odds. In short, it is world jihad/crusade time to decide who are the true followers of god.
 
BrunofanofK said:
The thing is, both Buddhism and Christianity are fruits of Hellenism. The first testament was written in greek instead of Hebrew for a reason. His muse cares little for dogma or how people interpret than she does for the pursuit of virtue and the performative excellence that springs from it. A truly dedicated catholic priest who believes in JUSTICE and acts true to it in all things might suddenly discover he can heal people. The same is true for some irreverent and quirk neo-witch who believes in FREEDOM. In a sense, this is the best and worst way to go about it since his clerics and paladins are the most committed and passionate about it. so even if a cursory glance is all it take to see their powers are the same, their own creeds would be at odds. In short, it is world jihad/crusade time to decide who are the true followers of god.
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Oh so its debatable their really worshiping him. How does he supply said abilities though seeing as I'm fairly sure a god actually needs to be specifically worshiped to supply them with said stuff in pathfinder? If their worshiping concepts essentially wouldn't it be impossible for his muse to give them powers?
 
BrunofanofK said:
The thing is, both Buddhism and Christianity are fruits of Hellenism. The first testament was written in greek instead of Hebrew for a reason. His muse cares little for dogma or how people interpret than she does for the pursuit of virtue and the performative excellence that springs from it. A truly dedicated catholic priest who believes in JUSTICE and acts true to it in all things might suddenly discover he can heal people. The same is true for some irreverent and quirk neo-witch who believes in FREEDOM. In a sense, this is the best and worst way to go about it since his clerics and paladins are the most committed and passionate about it. so even if a cursory glance is all it take to see their powers are the same, their own creeds would be at odds. In short, it is world jihad/crusade time to decide who are the true followers of god.
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And it's only going to get worse as Zagreus grows as well man JJK world is seriously going through some changes. With that said I do wonder if there'll be other worlds who will go through the same thing once Zagreus arrives?
 
firefrog600 said:
Oh so its debatable their really worshiping him. How does he supply said abilities though seeing as I'm fairly sure a god actually needs to be specifically worshiped to supply them with said stuff in pathfinder? If their worshiping concepts essentially wouldn't it be impossible for his muse to give them powers?
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Remember Zagreus was once a preacher in the Grave keeper plane. While at the time he did that just to practice rhetoric he discovered how to harvest faith from the listeners. It didn't matter the topic, as long as it was convincing; his first sermon was a Star Wars reference! His connection with his cleric allows him to harvest said faith, a cheap price for magical powers.
 
BrunofanofK said:
The thing is, both Buddhism and Christianity are fruits of Hellenism. The first testament was written in greek instead of Hebrew for a reason. His muse cares little for dogma or how people interpret than she does for the pursuit of virtue and the performative excellence that springs from it. A truly dedicated catholic priest who believes in JUSTICE and acts true to it in all things might suddenly discover he can heal people. The same is true for some irreverent and quirk neo-witch who believes in FREEDOM. In a sense, this is the best and worst way to go about it since his clerics and paladins are the most committed and passionate about it. so even if a cursory glance is all it take to see their powers are the same, their own creeds would be at odds. In short, it is world jihad/crusade time to decide who are the true followers of god.
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So who's stopping the Crusade/Jihad from happening? Gojo? Yuji? Megumi? Geto? or God forbid is it Tsumiki!?
 
What are his permanent spells anyway?He should have one per brain/soul but we only know 2. I supose one will be mind black and the other one might be a buff one.
 
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Huh I wonder if Shadowrun would be a good fit for worlds Zagreus could visit? It's one of those worlds that could definitely use a change as well as being where it's not like he could make the place worse.
 
David151 said:
Huh I wonder if Shadowrun would be a good fit for worlds Zagreus could visit? It's one of those worlds that could definitely use a change as well as being where it's not like he could make the place worse.
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He kinda already seems mostly past the power ceiling there mind you its not absolute large rituals and greater dragons might put up a fight. Also horrors but I don't think he has any real answer to horrors other than mass empowerment perhaps.
 
ImBuda said:
What are his permanent spells anyway?He should have one per brain/soul but we only know 2. I supose one will be mind black and the other one might be a buff one.
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It is undead anatomy IV and true seeing. Remember how Zagreus work play with ivory and horn? He basically became able to see through illusions by equating the two. I didn't explain this because it would drift too much from the topic.
By they way, the vortex dragon quintessence passive effect is a deflection bonus equal to his charisma score, while his active one is a massive improvement on Rher's inspired spacial manipulation. Things like Golden Gate and Limitless Mimic. The Iron God's quintessence adds his constitution score to his armor class and grants him Display of Constitution mythic ability. When he uses it Zagreus raven mantle solidifies in an armor, basically becoming saint clothes. He kind of look like Hades's armor due to Unity's solar angel avatar.
Deuses - Saint Seiya Lost canvas
 
Goddamn, how could I forget the masterpiece that is Saint Seiya and zagreus fucking with it. The story screams all that a hero is about.

It would probably be Athena going wtf and asking herself whether Dyonisius went off the bender and decided to incarnate to mess with everyone.
 
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firefrog600 said:
He kinda already seems mostly past the power ceiling there mind you its not absolute large rituals and greater dragons might put up a fight. Also horrors but I don't think he has any real answer to horrors other than mass empowerment perhaps.
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Maybe so but I don't think power is the sole factor when it comes to worlds after all labors aren't based solely on power but on doing something significant and that's considered impossible or something like that and Shadowrun and other worlds certainly offer opportunities for that.
 
Rognaro said:
Goddamn, how could I forget the masterpiece that is Saint Seiya and zagreus fucking with it. The story screams all that a hero is about.

It would probably be Athena going wtf and asking herself whether Dyonisius went off the bender and decided to incarnate to mess with everyone.
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Kinda though saint seiya is so far above even tyrants its insane honestly their above plenty of gods if we're being honest.
 
firefrog600 said:
Kinda though saint seiya is so far above even tyrants its insane honestly their above plenty of gods if we're being honest.
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I dont know, yeah they have really strong feats but they dont show that power constantly in the series. Even then Zagreus has also really strong feats on his belt, he can literally punch blackholes now. I would say that he is as strong as a weak golden saint.
 
ImBuda said:
I dont know, yeah they have really strong feats but they dont show that power constantly in the series. Even then Zagreus has also really strong feats on his belt, he can literally punch blackholes now. I would say that he is as strong as a weak golden saint.
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The average gold saint punches at universal levels dude. The same reason dbs is too much for him.
 
firefrog600 said:
The average gold saint punches at universal levels dude. The same reason dbs is too much for him.
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I actually want consultation on this. A average human has a power level of 5, so Greek cultivators measurement of power level by how many men put together have a good scale. Considering blessing of Dionysus and the Rebirthing Chamber has given Zagreus basic block a power level of 15, as a captain of the heroic realm, he would have the basic level of 1110 men put together, or a power level of 16650. Basic use of heart flame to give him a minute-per-second increase would grant him a power level of 999000. Let's ignore how memetic this is for a moment and remember Vegita was supposed to destroy planets with 20k. I know it is inconsistent, since Frieza failed to destroy Namek with a power level of 84 million but even so... By the way, by burning one day per second Zagreus power level would be 1.438.560.000, almost one and a half billion. Both Diomedes (Aphrodite and Ares) and Heracles (Ares) harmed gods in the myth, so do you think Zagreus could fight Berus?
 
BrunofanofK said:
I actually want consultation on this. A average human has a power level of 5, so Greek cultivators measurement of power level by how many men put together have a good scale. Considering blessing of Dionysus and the Rebirthing Chamber has given Zagreus basic block a power level of 15, as a captain of the heroic realm, he would have the basic level of 1110 men put together, or a power level of 16650. Basic use of heart flame to give him a minute-per-second increase would grant him a power level of 999000. Let's ignore how memetic this is for a moment and remember Vegita was supposed to destroy planets with 20k. I know it is inconsistent, since Frieza failed to destroy Namek with a power level of 84 million but even so... By the way, by burning one day per second Zagreus power level would be 1.438.560.000, almost one and a half billion. Both Diomedes (Aphrodite and Ares) and Heracles (Ares) harmed gods in the myth, so do you think Zagreus could fight Berus?
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Considering they shake the entire universe in their first fight when not treating goku seriously no? Also I'm not sure power levels were ever supposed to represent the power of 1 man per point. Given it's not like power levels were ever defined or consistent.

Edit: though it really matters how powerful you make the Greek gods of virtuous sons. Since there are plenty of myths of Zeus say shaking the entire universe and I believe in some cosmologies Gaia was literally infinite in scope.
 
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BrunofanofK said:
I actually want consultation on this. A average human has a power level of 5, so Greek cultivators measurement of power level by how many men put together have a good scale. Considering blessing of Dionysus and the Rebirthing Chamber has given Zagreus basic block a power level of 15, as a captain of the heroic realm, he would have the basic level of 1110 men put together, or a power level of 16650. Basic use of heart flame to give him a minute-per-second increase would grant him a power level of 999000. Let's ignore how memetic this is for a moment and remember Vegita was supposed to destroy planets with 20k. I know it is inconsistent, since Frieza failed to destroy Namek with a power level of 84 million but even so... By the way, by burning one day per second Zagreus power level would be 1.438.560.000, almost one and a half billion. Both Diomedes (Aphrodite and Ares) and Heracles (Ares) harmed gods in the myth, so do you think Zagreus could fight Berus?
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Cell was at the level similar 1.438.560.000, so maybe not harm beerus but harming or killing a supreme kaioshin might be possible.
 
ImBuda said:
Cell was at the level similar 1.438.560.000, so maybe not harm beerus but harming or killing a supreme kaioshin might be possible.
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I don't think cells power level was ever defined. By cell saga if we take broly movie of semi canon of what cell saga character can do then they can blow up a galaxy though.
 
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Essentially if we are talking power levels from dragon ball they are anything but linear but they're also not defined whatsoever. Vegeta could blow up planets, frieza could blow up planets, roshi could blow up the moon, cell saga characters a galaxy, and buu saga are pretty close to universal levels by the very end. Then dbs just makes everything shake the universe levels fights but also exponentially more power every arc.

It's also not very consistent but I'm fairly sure that's a budget thing on art, not wanting to draw universe level stuff or fuck even like mountains smashing most of the time, and the fact it's often considered a gag series.
 
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firefrog600 said:
I don't think cells power level was ever defined. By cell saga if we take broly movie of semi canon of what cell saga character can do then they can blow up a galaxy though.
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Im pretty sure that It should be between 10^9 and 10^10 in the end so It should be in range and universe Seven supreme kaioshins are weaker than full power cell. Even then Im pretty sure roshi and vegeta were able to do that by attacking the planets core. Is only when you enter frieza first form power level that you can truly destroy completely a planet without attacking the core.
 
ImBuda said:
Im pretty sure that It should be between 10^9 and 10^10 in the end so It should be in range and universe Seven supreme kaioshins are weaker than full power cell. Even then Im pretty sure roshi and vegeta were able to do that by attacking the planets core. Is only when you enter frieza first form power level that you can truly destroy completely a planet without attacking the core.
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To blow up a galaxy or a universe? We can reasonably say your interpretations fine but let's not act like that was the intention it's just not really defined.
 
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