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Deus Pater (Exalted/40k)

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Maugan Ra said:
Ruin Abasing Shrug is the charm that mimics the perfect soak effect from the game. Upgrade it to ultimate and you just flatly won't die from getting hit by an orbital bombardment (though it does have certain drawbacks). The issue is that there are daemons out there which are literally immortal and invulnerable, unharmed in any meaningful fashion by the loss of mortal form, and the Grey Knights have spent ten thousand years killing them anyway.
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I thought they just banished them back to the warp? Was under the impression that True Killing a daemon was absurdly difficult/impossible without like Ynnead there to make it stick.
 
Could we use Harmonious Academic Methodology use to get better at military tactics on the way to the fight?
 
As much as I'm really enjoying this route and want to see where it goes, I can't help but wonder as to what would have happened had the Dawn-caste Imperial Guardsman option had been chosen instead. It would have been totally different, but having one of the numberless legions of the imperium able to punch tanks apart would have been great.
 
The Guardsman path would have been a perspective on the Imperium from the point of view of one of the countless billions of lives that commanders spend like water. Basically, think of all those jokes about how the real enemy of the common soldier isn't the dude in the other trench, but the brass idiots in their command post a hundred miles behind the lines, then add in a 'common soldier' who has the power to actually hold those people to account.
 
Maugan Ra said:
The Guardsman path would have been a perspective on the Imperium from the point of view of one of the countless billions of lives that commanders spend like water. Basically, think of all those jokes about how the real enemy of the common soldier isn't the dude in the other trench, but the brass idiots in their command post a hundred miles behind the lines, then add in a 'common soldier' who has the power to actually hold those people to account.
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It would be really hard to actually fix anything from that position.
 
jjffjhjf said:
I thought they just banished them back to the warp? Was under the impression that True Killing a daemon was absurdly difficult/impossible without like Ynnead there to make it stick.
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They do a lot of that yeah, but they have ways to True Kill daemons.

Speaking of which Ignatius should somewhere have Charms which mean daemons who die in his presence die True Death, possibly his Meditation charm.
 
Zero Gravitas said:
On the flip side a Solar would be uniquely equipped to rise through the ranks.
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A solar commanding the forces of the EoM might even manage to destroy all outside enemies of the empire to the point that the EoM has enough wiggle room to reform. Maybe don't know how old a solar can get.

Edit: Looked it up seems like 3000 to 5000 years before adding in charms and drugs.
 
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Zero Gravitas said:
On the flip side a Solar would be uniquely equipped to rise through the ranks.
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fictionfan said:
A solar commanding the forces of the EoM might even manage to destroy all outside enemies of the empire to the point that the EoM has enough wiggle room to reform. Maybe don't know how old a solar can get.

Edit: Looked it up seems like 3000 to 5000 years before adding in charms and drugs.
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Excerpted from the Lexicanum. This is an canon actual character from the early 41rst millenium.

Lexicanum said:
Lord Commander Solar Macharius (356-400.M41) is widely regarded as the greatest Imperial Guard commander in Imperial history. His conquests, known as the Macharian Crusade, beginning in 392.M41, reached the edge of galactic space, and brought nearly a thousand worlds under Imperial control within only seven years of fighting. He was one of the greatest Living Saints in Imperial history and is considered the greatest Saint of the Imperial Guard.[3]

Macharius rose to prominence in the early Forty-First Millennium during a time when the Imperium's power was finally recovering from the devastating Age of Apostasy. Born in 356.M41 as the heir of the Planetary Governor of Donia, Pella, Macharius was already a renowned Imperial Guard General by his early 20s. His brilliant leadership during the crushing of the Roxane Rebellion, where he rescued Lord Commander Solar Phillips, brought Macharius to the attention of the High Lords of Terra. Phillips recognized the genius of Macharius and took him under his wing, naming him his successor as Lord Commander Solar. It was also during this time that Macharius met the men who would go on to lead his armies: Sejanus, Borgen Crassus, Tarka, Arrian, Lysander of Choripoli, and Cyrus of Larrentine. In 386.M41 Lord Solar Phillips was killed in the Lemort Landings and Macharius inherited his prestigious command, the youngest in the history of the position. He traveled to Terra for the first and last time during his inauguration. Using his new position, he oversaw a string of early conquests on the worlds of Lands End, Morbellum, and Jalfrezi III with his Donian Army. It was at this point that Macharius expressed his desire to launch the greatest Crusade since the Great Crusade at the dawn of the Imperium itself.[4]

By most accounts, Macharius indeed fulfilled his wish and nearly one thousand worlds were claimed over the course of the Macharian Crusade. At the edge of the galaxy Macharius prepared to move onwards but his armies, never beaten by the enemy, wavered and crumbled at the prospect of exploring the psychic darkness at the galaxy's edge. The conquests of Macharius came to an end, and according to Imperial records on the return trip he died of a jungle fever contracted on Jucha, while others say he willingly died so he could rest with the old heroes of the Imperium who would not balk at danger, unlike his men.[4]

The truth however is far darker, and was seemingly covered up by Imperial authorities after his death. While battling his traitorous ex-protege Richter, who is said to have turned to worshiping Nurgle, Macharius contracted several deadly diseases besieging the traitor world of Loki and may have only had weeks to live. Macharius was eventually able to kill Richter, but was in turn killed by a member of the Officio Assassinorum disguised as an Inquisitorial Stormtrooper with the cooperation of InquisitorHyronimus Drake, who may have been sabotaging Macharius' war effort on Loki. However to suppress the truth of the incident, the Assassin then killed Drake as well and the reasons and figures behind this conspiracy are left ambiguous.[6]

After his death, Macharius was canonized as a Saint of the Imperium. No man has ever conquered more worlds nor won so many battles, not since the legendary days of the Great Crusade itself. So great were his accomplishments that the Ecclesiarchy declared Macharius a Saint and renamed his homeworld Macharia in his honor.[1]

Macharius was a ruthless leader, always pushing his men to greater feats of daring and courage. He would often bombard planets from orbit and destroy the native population, but he spared some worlds if they impressed him with their courage and resolve. He was a very spiritual man, campaigning in the name of the Emperor and not just for his own selfish gain. He had consuming desires, such that they were his guiding force throughout his conquest. He was also followed by a trail of miracles, one such being that a bolter shell embedded itself in his chest but failed to detonate.[Needs Citation]
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You know, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that this isn't Emp's first time Exalting someone.
 
I just thought of something, if we could get the proper charm for it we could easily earn the loyalty of the Sons of Sanguinius by curing the black rage.
 
Zarion said:
I just thought of something, if we could get the proper charm for it we could easily earn the loyalty of the Sons of Sanguinius by curing the black rage.
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I don't think something like that will be cured so easily. Suppressed? Probably. But an actual working cure isn't something a single Exalt is going to be able to do, especially since that's not our specialty.
 
Maugan Ra said:
You picked the wrong character archetype to pick up charms that make you that good at genetic engineering and psycho-surgery, unfortunately.
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What caste would preside over charms that would let Ignatius exorcise a daemon through touch and words? My initial thought is Zenith because of their references to keeping back Malfeas and the demons, and their status as priest-kings, and because of the Meditation charm but I'm not sure.
 
BungieONI said:
What caste would preside over charms that would let Ignatius exorcise a daemon through touch and words? My initial thought is Zenith because of their references to keeping back Malfeas and the demons, and their status as priest-kings, and because of the Meditation charm but I'm not sure.
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The Zenith ability and associated charms are absolutely the ones you want for exorcism, yes.
 
So we should decide when to start pooling exp into primary skills instead of charms, since charms improve with primary skill, and there is probably an optimum balance somewhere. There is also the question of where he should focus our exp at, since the 5 base skills covers basically everything and we will eventually want even the unfavored skill ranked up. Unless we can Charm our away around them of course.
 
This may have been brought up before and I have missed it. If so apologies.

When roughly is this quest set? As if it is either in or leading up to the 42nd millennium it raises the specter of an heir to the God-Emperor (Ignatius) chosen to reform the faith by his god coming into an contact with an heir to The Emperor of Mankind (Roboute) engineered by him to be one of his ultimate weapons and intended ultimately as nothing but a tool. If nothing else Ignatius would serve as living proof that the Emperor has actually mellowed in his time on the throne.
 
Jarrik32 said:
This may have been brought up before and I have missed it. If so apologies.

When roughly is this quest set? As if it is either in or leading up to the 42nd millennium it raises the specter of an heir to the God-Emperor (Ignatius) chosen to reform the faith by his god coming into an contact with an heir to The Emperor of Mankind (Roboute) engineered by him to be one of his ultimate weapons and intended ultimately as nothing but a tool. If nothing else Ignatius would serve as living proof that the Emperor has actually mellowed in his time on the throne.
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The day has been 999.M41 since before we were born, and it will be 999.M41 on the day we die. :V
 
qwolfs said:
This continues to be said even though there is no concrete proof for it, even though there are a fair amount of signs that point against it.
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If I recall correctly this was shown in Dark Imperium. Roboute visits the golden throne and has a meeting with his 'father' who in his infinite wisdom reveals to his last remaining loyalist 'son' that all he ever was to him was a particularly useful tool. Sufficed to say Roboute was not remotely happy about this revelation and spends the entire book weighed down by it (along with all the other **** he's had to deal with).
 
Jarrik32 said:
If I recall correctly this was shown in Dark Imperium. Roboute visits the golden throne and has a meeting with his 'father' who in his infinite wisdom reveals to his last remaining loyalist 'son' that all he ever was to him was a particularly useful tool. Sufficed to say Roboute was not remotely happy about this revelation and spends the entire book weighed down by it (along with all the other **** he's had to deal with).
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I think that this bit had been mostly rejected under the pretenses of "The Emperor is so far gone that all that his 'spirit' did was parrot what Roboute already thought/suspected about his father's thoughts"
 
DestinyPlayer said:
I think that this bit had been mostly rejected under the pretenses of "The Emperor is so far gone that all that his 'spirit' did was parrot what Roboute already thought/suspected about his father's thoughts"
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Eh. To each their own is all I can say.

I personally took it as written especially as it closely matched the Emperors previous characterisation (i.e. He Loves humanity as an abstract but has a deeply flawed understanding of humanity and no particular regard to the species as individuals). The idea that he cannot love anyone even his 'sons' lest that affect his ability to act isn't really a stretch.
 
Jarrik32 said:
If I recall correctly this was shown in Dark Imperium. Roboute visits the golden throne and has a meeting with his 'father' who in his infinite wisdom reveals to his last remaining loyalist 'son' that all he ever was to him was a particularly useful tool. Sufficed to say Roboute was not remotely happy about this revelation and spends the entire book weighed down by it (along with all the other **** he's had to deal with).
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In The Master of Mankind we are shown a few scenes where characters interact with the Emperor and at the end of the book are given explicit context by the author. Within that portion of the fluid canon of 40K it is made clear that the people who interact with the Emperor always, always get a distorted view of him because interacting with him is inherently affected by their own preconceptions. This goes so far that when the Emperor interacts with some genetic scientist he only ever hears the emperor call his Primarchs by number, but when he talks to Magnus he explicitly calls him Magnus and when a Sister of Silence wanders on past his throne all she sees is a dude sitting on a chair, while a knight literally freezes in place with religious ecstasy.

While it is certainly possible he only ever saw them as tools to be used and eventually discarded he also had rooms made for them and set aside in palace, shoved a fuck huge army of loyal followers their way (personal space marine legions), made them leaders of the military force of his time, gave them extreme latitude in their methods, didn't design them with any obvious off switch or degradation mechanism, didn't kill them all after being abducted by Chaos, didn't try and replace them, didn't go out of his way to design fail safes for their going rogue (that was Malcador) and on and on the list goes.
 
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