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Detroit: Become Human

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Nobody said:
I just assumed the picture with her red temple was her LED flashing red and her becoming a Deviant from watching Kara be destroyed.
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No but like I said, the picture does not support that. Knowing about that theory I took an extra special close look, and the red on her temple is very clearly drawn like drops of blood coming from a wound.
 


"Okay, what if you programmed a robot to become deviant?"

"I'm worried that's a thing in the game."

First the arrowhead in GoW. Now this. SBF foresight strikes again.
 
Alicedroid is such a flat fart that deflates Kara's entire storyline.

Either she's deviant and still pretending to be a human child because ??? (Potentially interesting if it was explored but it isn't as far as I can tell) or she's not deviant in which case Kara's entire plotline is a lie because Alice hasn't broken her M I N D P A L A C E yet and is just beep booping through the motions of wanting a mother.
 
Jace911 said:
Either she's deviant and still pretending to be a human child because ??? (Potentially interesting if it was explored but it isn't as far as I can tell) or she's not deviant in which case Kara's entire plotline is a lie because Alice hasn't broken her M I N D P A L A C E yet and is just beep booping through the motions of wanting a mother.
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Given the intense emotional circumstances Alice lives in, I think it goes without saying that she is a deviant android. It's somewhat popular to assume that she woke up because she saw Kara hurting Todd, hence the sense of affinity despite her initial hesitance when Kara is returned from the store.
 
Gotta wonder if she wasn't shellshocked or traumatized by the incident and that's why she didn't run at all. If she's running kid.exe and simulating a child's mindset, well how many children actually runaway after getting hit the first or second time?
 
Okay, so drug addict Todd implies that his wife left him after he got the child android and calls said ex-wife Alice's mother. Like, I know I probably shouldn't take this at face value given that Todd is probably high as fuck on future Meth, but, like, was she also in on the weird delusion that Alice was an actual child or did Todd start doing that after she left and he was high all the time?
 
Jace911 said:
Alicedroid is such a flat fart that deflates Kara's entire storyline.

Either she's deviant and still pretending to be a human child because ??? (Potentially interesting if it was explored but it isn't as far as I can tell) or she's not deviant in which case Kara's entire plotline is a lie because Alice hasn't broken her M I N D P A L A C E yet and is just beep booping through the motions of wanting a mother.
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Honestly, I see it as kid bots not really having a Deviant state. They are designed to be free thinking kids and thus I can imagine they lack the rigid programming of the more adult models, meaning that besides programmed feelings for their owners there really isn't anything to break orders wise.

As for my own point, while I definitely did enjoy the game, I found all the silly civil rights imagry stupid and misplaced. During the first time you saw the android compartment at the back of the bus, I actually commented to my brother that if all the Androids were replaced by Mechanical spiders or less human looking robots then the entire thing would have been even more hilarious to see.
I honestly just found everything like that hilarious because it looked like the average Android had the base intelligence of a toaster and I had reminders of the toaster in Fallout NV.
 
Droman said:
Gotta wonder if she wasn't shellshocked or traumatized by the incident and that's why she didn't run at all. If she's running kid.exe and simulating a child's mindset, well how many children actually runaway after getting hit the first or second time?
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Consider that Carlos' android basically just hides in the attic. Not all androids think to run.

Also Todd is not bad all the time, and at least part of Alice actually does love him.

TheLordofAwesome said:
Okay, so drug addict Todd implies that his wife left him after he got the child android and calls said ex-wife Alice's mother. Like, I know I probably shouldn't take this at face value given that Todd is probably high as fuck on future Meth, but, like, was she also in on the weird delusion that Alice was an actual child or did Todd start doing that after she left and he was high all the time?
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If you encounter Todd in Kara's second to last chapter and she's seen Alice's drawings, he explains himself and it's clear that he got Alice as a replacement after his wife left with their daughter, with his intention being to prove he could be a good father.

That said, I think Zerban is right in that too much is done to obscure the twist from the player, though ironically he still shows you, albeit briefly, the YK500 ad. Like you can tell what the ad is for when Kara first kinds it. The Zlatko chapter is also not terribly shy about making it clear that Alice is a robot.
 
Ford Prefect said:
Consider that Carlos' android basically just hides in the attic. Not all androids think to run.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. But also the kid in Jericho who had no idea who to function on the streets.

Edit: Also this was suggested on reddit, but Todd's wife run off with an accountant. Accounting is something androids could very easily dominate entirely in lieu of hiring actual humans in the future. So maybe it was a deviant accountant android for maximum android rage from Todd? :confused:
 
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Jace911 said:
Either she's deviant and still pretending to be a human child because ??? (Potentially interesting if it was explored but it isn't as far as I can tell) or she's not deviant
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Doesn't she shoot Todd if you fuck up the qtes bad enough and grabbed the gun? I can't imagine she would be able to do that if she's not a Deviant.
 
I did a thing

Markus couldn't believe what he was staring at.

In fact, if he was perfectly honest, he was beginning to think that he was experiencing the android equivalent of being completely and utterly gobsmacked.

"So, Markus, can we join the march?"

He looked over to where Simon, Josh, and North were standing with the rest of the thousands of humans and androids--people--that had joined him on this march. North was caught between grinning with glee and being completely in shock.

Josh was frowning, and Simon?

Simon didn't really look fazed by it at all. Their eyes met, and Simon gave him a slight nod.

Markus wondered if Simon thought that it'd eventually happen.

"Markus?"

He turned his attention to the brunette. "Can we join?" she asked again, and for the slightest of moments he saw what looked like apprehension in those blue eyes.

He blinked, considered the choices and their consequences that spiraled away from him like dust in the wind, and came to one unshakable conclusion.

He smiled. "May I come aboard?"

The brunette's eyes sparkled, and she nodded. "I'll have to ask Milo though. What do you think?"

She let out a small chuckle. "Milo says he doesn't mind, though please be careful to not damage his paintwork."

Markus let out a small huff of amusement in turn. "Sure. Now, let's go face the music."

After all, he thought as he felt the seventy tonne behemoth shift beneath his feet, the US Army was not going to take the loss of one of their sapient M1A3 Abrams lightly.​
 
Are there any really good playthroughs for other games that SBF have played? Just finished their Until Dawn one, was incredibly surprised (spoilers) that they managed to save everyone.
 
Sarissa said:
Are there any really good playthroughs for other games that SBF have played? Just finished their Until Dawn one, was incredibly surprised (spoilers) that they managed to save everyone.
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You mean ones the SBF have done? Indigo Prophecy, The Evil Within 2, Anything Silent Hill, and Metal Wolf Chaos are great off the top of my head.
 
Nobody said:
Doesn't she shoot Todd if you fuck up the qtes bad enough and grabbed the gun? I can't imagine she would be able to do that if she's not a Deviant.
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Yeah, she will protect Kara. While Detroit doesn't have anything like the three laws, it seems unlikely that a non-soldier android would be capable of shooting a person.
 
Friday Night Fisticuffs/Saturday Morning Scrublords are usually a good time. Particularly certain scrublords games that hit that particular sort of bad that's hilarious to watch, like Best of Best, or Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire. The Gang Beasts fisticuffs episode was great too.
 
Man, they're really bad at figuring out how stress works in that interrogation. Then again, it's not like you can save that android. Even if he doesn't self destruct there, he'll either self destruct later or be taken apart by Cyberlife.

Also, I've probably had too much fun watching the Kizuna Ai LP.
 
ForeverShogo said:
Man, they're really bad at figuring out how stress works in that interrogation. Then again, it's not like you can save that android. Even if he doesn't self destruct there, he'll either self destruct later or be taken apart by Cyberlife.

Also, I've probably had too much fun watching the Kizuna Ai LP.
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The Kizuna AI LP of the game is top notch. The gimmick of an "AI" playing a video game is a strong gimmick.
 
ForeverShogo said:
Man, they're really bad at figuring out how stress works in that interrogation. Then again, it's not like you can save that android. Even if he doesn't self destruct there, he'll either self destruct later or be taken apart by Cyberlife.

Also, I've probably had too much fun watching the Kizuna Ai LP.
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He self-destructs the following day during the 'wait for Hank' stuff, but if you got the deviant to trust you he'll whisper "the secret's inside" to Connor as he leaves (which is the slogan for his new restaurant chain) and I'm not sure if you can get the thing in the statuette without it - I picked it up during Last Chance, Connor but wasn't allowed to smash it until I reminded Connor of it by replaying the message.
 
ZerbanDaGreat said:
He self-destructs the following day during the 'wait for Hank' stuff, but if you got the deviant to trust you he'll whisper "the secret's inside" to Connor as he leaves (which is the slogan for his new restaurant chain) and I'm not sure if you can get the thing in the statuette without it - I picked it up during Last Chance, Connor but wasn't allowed to smash it until I reminded Connor of it by replaying the message.
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You can only use the statuette as effective evidence if you get Carlos' android to trust you, yeah. Otherwise it's just a curiousity.

Incidentally, I enjoy how nervous they still are about getting Connor killed.
 
Ford Prefect said:
Incidentally, I enjoy how nervous they still are about getting Connor killed.
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Giving Connor the ability to die early and often was an incredibly strong gameplay choice and it bleeds through every time Pat is imperilled. Like when Simon winged him in the shoulder on the roof of Stratford Tower and Pat just yelped in GenuineFear.wav
 
ZerbanDaGreat said:
Giving Connor the ability to die early and often was an incredibly strong gameplay choice and it bleeds through every time Pat is imperilled. Like when Simon winged him in the shoulder on the roof of Stratford Tower and Pat just yelped in GenuineFear.wav
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It works really well. Obviously in Heavy Rain the characters could die, but it felt fairly distant. In Detroit, because Connor is allowed to come back it actually has the effect of enhancing the sense of danger for all the characters, because the risk of death is made more clear to you as a player, and you know Kara and Markus don't get to come back. And it's not even consequence-free for Connor.

As I mentioned in my review, Detroit was the first time I really 'got this' and it's one of the effective things about the game. So much so that on my first playthrough I actually thought I'd screwed up and legitimately gotten Markus killed at Carl's house lol
 
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