David Cage: "As long as you feel respectful and careful about what you're saying and how you say it
In the trailer, when they were doing all sorts of minimally invasive things, their symbol was this:



When they were looting and burning things, their flag was this:





The raised fist is a specific political symbol. It means things. By connecting it specifically with violence, it means specific things in the year of our lord 2017. It is making a political argument and not a very good one.
 
Oh man, these guys are just scratching the surface of what makes David Cage so...great. Look up the cut lines for Beyond Two Souls, and you'll learn that David Cages original vision for it was EVEN WORSE.

Huh let's see....and it's a rape scene.....I can't even say WTF David Cage cause i'm not suprise at all
 
Huh let's see....and it's a rape scene.....I can't even say WTF David Cage cause i'm not suprise at all

Rape of a minor, in fact! The character in question was, like, 14-15 when the scene in question happened.

Beyond Two Souls was SPECIAL. And not in the good way.
 
In the trailer, when they were doing all sorts of minimally invasive things, their symbol was this:



When they were looting and burning things, their flag was this:





The raised fist is a specific political symbol. It means things. By connecting it specifically with violence, it means specific things in the year of our lord 2017. It is making a political argument and not a very good one.

I'm aware of all this. I assume Cage is thinking of the Black Panthers, but I don't know his mind.

I highlighted his interview earlier talking about how pacifism and violence will both be nuanced and respected positions in this game. I want that to be true. That's all I can say until I actually play the game.

For me, what this really comes down to is race. I'm a pasty white guy and though I am from Detroit, this game isn't about me. If the people being represented here feel misrepresented or slighted in some way, then I'll back them up and shit on this game with the rest of you. In fact, while looking for articles about the game I did find this.
The internet weighs in on Jesse Williams' role as Marcus in 'Detroit: Become Human'

"Proper representation" is such a nebulous topic and it hurts my brain. Doesn't help I was a sort of antifeminist a few short years ago and hated any sort of social justice critique of muh fiction. So I prefer to just keep my head down in this and defer to others.
 
It's obvious that the game is political, and it's obvious that Cage is just lying about it being apolitical. He probably wants to avoid courting controversy because it's hardly enjoyable - I mean, imagine if he said 'yeah the game is about confronting uncomfortable racial history and the commodification of black people.' Gamers would lose their minds.

But I mean, there's no avoiding it so he should just bite the bullet :V
 
Can we not post bad insight porn from Youtube and "I found some tweets" articles? They add nothing to the discussion, even if you want to move on from pulling a Trump style "and I'm sure some are good people" in regards to the critics.

The problem is that David Cage has a terrible track record with dealing with anything that requires even a bit of deftness. There's no reason to think he'll handle this well, especially when he's saying "I won't be political" about a super political subject. I don't personally buy that all stories are inherently political (because you've made political into a complete non-word).

That said, if we're dealing with "androids as furniture" we probably won't have to deal with fully modeled android genitals during android showers following horrid android rape scenes at least.
 
That said, if we're dealing with "androids as furniture" we probably won't have to deal with fully modeled android genitals during android showers following horrid android rape scenes at least.

You underestimate David Cage's power. In the original Kara video she lists off sex as one of her optional functions.

I honestly find the 'grr david cage' stuff a little tiresome and people are, as we speak, building sex robots but this really is the perfect moment for an Anakin meme. I mean you are KIDDING yourself if you think Cage won't go there lol
 
You underestimate David Cage's power. In the original Kara video she lists off sex as one of her optional functions.

I honestly find the 'grr david cage' stuff a little tiresome and people are, as we speak, building sex robots but this really is the perfect moment for an Anakin meme. I mean you are KIDDING yourself if you think Cage won't go there lol
*Cue voice over as the camera pans through the lit streets of Detroit, robots rioting and overturning cars*

"We thought we knew what we were doing. We knew we were in the right. There was just one thing we hadn't counted on."

*Camera cuts to police with a large hose like weapon suddenly spreading down the androids*

"Sand. It's rough and got in everywhere. That was the beginning of the end."

*Tusken Raider noises*
 
As much as I enjoy dragging Cage, it really bums me out that we're likely going to get more of his nonsense instead of an actually well-written story about android Kara discovering what it means to be human in the modern world. Like, I could handle it when I thought that game was never going to actually happen and it was just a tech demo, but it feels worse knowing it's actually going to come out and will probably be shit.
 
As much as I enjoy dragging Cage, it really bums me out that we're likely going to get more of his nonsense instead of an actually well-written story about android Kara discovering what it means to be human in the modern world. Like, I could handle it when I thought that game was never going to actually happen and it was just a tech demo, but it feels worse knowing it's actually going to come out and will probably be shit.
I really wanted my Hostage Negotiator sim. That's a great concept for a VN styled game!
 
Honestly, I just want a game about an oppressed and downtrodden populace rising up, with the option of violent or peaceful rebellion. Of any setting, even. Like, I know asking for it to be implemented well and coherent is asking for a lot, but does it have to be quite this much of a train wreck from the outset?
 
I don't know about Cage, and since I've not watched any of his shit I'm not going to judge, but given NieR: Automata's recent success I say he has really big expectations to fill with Detroit.

The former was a very animesque sci-fi setting filled to the brim with things one might consider ridiculous, such as magitech stripper androids, cutesy enemies, a really bizzare post-apocalyptic setting, and yet despite its many fantastical elements managed to show a personal and tragic plot that is chock-full of themes such as existential horror, a thesis on the quirks of human society, the concept of eternal recurrance in both history and the gaming industry, and finally the creator's views on the topic of violence in both fictional media and real life.

Meanwhile, Detroit: Become Human takes place in a modern setting. This gives it some sort of headstart, mainly because of the more 'realistic' background, which gives it more opportunity to explore various themes. For one thing, the Androids of Automata are almost identical to humans, hence leaving the question of sapience, sentience and the differences inbetween largely unexplored. This is already an opportunity to do some navel-gazing, and I'm curious to at least see how Detroit answers this question.

Of course, everyone is calling it a trainwreck at this point, but hey, trainwrecks are still fun to watch :drevil:
 
This gives it some sort of headstart,

Not really? Atleast in my opinion. I think it's actually easier to pull of complex thematics with a weird genre setting than it is with one trying to approximate real life. Because with a fantastical setting you can come up with any shit you want to represent or communicate your themes. You can create an entire magical race or whatever that exemplify your themes. You can make their implications literal I'm the settings mechanics. While with a real setting you have to approximate real life, therefore you can't just bend the rules of the universe or the norms of human behaviour to accomodate what you want to say.

If you try anyway, well, you get David Cage.

I really wanted my Hostage Negotiator sim. That's a great concept for a VN styled game!

That idea's taken.

 
I wonder, is Nier 2 a lot better than Nier 1? It's odd to see anyone outside SomethingAwful know or care about Tara Yoko's weird games. Nier 1 was a fairly unremarkable game to me but that could be due to all the hype I rea about how it was a masterpiece of writing.

Plus the message bugged the hell out of me and I felt it was very much the definition of grimderp when you started killing babies.

But this is why I never got the sequel.
 
I wonder, is Nier 2 a lot better than Nier 1? It's odd to see anyone outside SomethingAwful know or care about Tara Yoko's weird games. Nier 1 was a fairly unremarkable game to me but that could be due to all the hype I rea about how it was a masterpiece of writing.

Plus the message bugged the hell out of me and I felt it was very much the definition of grimderp when you started killing babies.

But this is why I never got the sequel.
Nier 1 was an emotional gutpunch. Nier 2 is an emotional gutpunch of a different type with good combat. It's easily my favorite game that's come out this year.
 
Someone earlier in this thread was pointing out how there are a lot of uncertainties regarding automation in real life that could be addressed in D:BH.

I probably meant 'different' rather than 'more' opportunites, but yeah.

I do feel that taking time to create a fantasy setting that is more then used cardboard is more difficult than writing stories based on real life. A lot of things like the people, the world, the factions have to be dreamt up, and written, which amounts to a lot of work on the creator.
 
M. Night's twists at least make sense within the story up to that point. Cage is really in a class almost of his own, with only Perfect Lionheart reaching the same level of "out of nowhere" plot elements.

I keep hearing about this "Perfect Lionheart" guy and now I really just want a thread where people talk about the bullshit he got up to.
 
I keep hearing about this "Perfect Lionheart" guy and now I really just want a thread where people talk about the bullshit he got up to.

There is a Let's Read of his Worm fic on SV.

Not gonna link it, but suffice to say it got locked down pretty quick.
 
Perfect Lionheart is a weird little guy with a number of bad stories to his name, but last time I checked SV isn't a medieval village square and either way I don't like it when people thrown rotten fruit around.

Besides, Perfect Lionheart is so infamous that you can easily find websites worth of content bagging him out elsewhere :V
 
Perfect Lionheart is a weird little guy with a number of bad stories to his name, but last time I checked SV isn't a medieval village square and either way I don't like it when people thrown rotten fruit around.

Besides, Perfect Lionheart is so infamous that you can easily find websites worth of content bagging him out elsewhere :V

I don't think it's nearly as fun when people can't freely comment about it.
 
As opposed to the dead one in all other games?

...fair point. I just realized there are several games with live chickens in them. Resident Evil 4 immediately comes to mind, another game that was very clearly intended to be silly. Chickens = Silly it seems.

I can't recall any game where a protagonist wrestles with a chicken, though.
 
...fair point. I just realized there are several games with live chickens in them. Resident Evil 4 immediately comes to mind, another game that was very clearly intended to be silly. Chickens = Silly it seems.

I can't recall any game where a protagonist wrestles with a chicken, though.
... I am morbidly curious as to the thought process behind this.
 
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