Remove ads

Dark Magical Girl Quest

Reader mode
Dark Lord Potato said:
QM, since we chose to get two allies during the first vote, can those two allies be the runner-up plans (Starscream & Lazy Idol) or do you already have characters made to fill those slots?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I'll consider it, but I'm probably going to build something that directly compliments your build. The two runner ups might work with some tweaking but I'll need to give it a lot of thought.
 
The awkward thing is that we got a final vote that put Power of Love in the lead at literally the last second, which was after RexHeller said he was going to decide between the two but before the official close of the vote (because RexHeller forgot to do the official close of the vote in the initial statement.)

So it's unclear if that final vote is being officially counted or not.
 
Chimeraguard said:
The awkward thing is that we got a final vote that put Power of Love in the lead at literally the last second, which was after RexHeller said he was going to decide between the two but before the official close of the vote (because RexHeller forgot to do the official close of the vote in the initial statement.)

So it's unclear if that final vote is being officially counted or not.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I may have voted for Power of Love but I would be fine with having Rex decide between the two
 
I think a big issue is that no matter who wins, there's going to be a sizeable group of people who really don't vibe with aspects of the character.

Love plan is more aligned to neutral or redemption. The other tied plan is more focused on deceiving the heroes and actually revelling in the villainy, at least as I understand it, though it might go neutral in a second evil faction sort of way.

I've made my point that I think this evil faction is terrible at selling itself as something I want to stick with unless I want to kick puppies, which I always find wears off fast, but not everyone is going to feel like that. Even should things change, there's going to be some group of people who do not get the story they want from this.
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
I think a big issue is that no matter who wins, there's going to be a sizeable group of people who really don't vibe with aspects of the character.

Love plan is more aligned to neutral or redemption. The other tied plan is more focused on deceiving the heroes and actually revelling in the villainy, at least as I understand it, though it might go neutral in a second evil faction sort of way.

I've made my point that I think this evil faction is terrible at selling itself as something I want to stick with unless I want to kick puppies, which I always find wears off fast, but not everyone is going to feel like that. Even should things change, there's going to be some group of people who do not get the story they want from this.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Theres plenty of ways to be evil other than kicking puppies! We could hold the school hostage for miraclite and inevitably be confronted by the hero! We could attempt to tempt the villain to our side. We could try to hurt the hero's reputation to shake faith in the MGs and lead society to despair. We could... Try to ruin a bake sale! Obviously the MGs would have ample opportunity to thwart us.
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
I think a big issue is that no matter who wins, there's going to be a sizeable group of people who really don't vibe with aspects of the character.

Love plan is more aligned to neutral or redemption.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I don't really vibe with the core driving force of the teenage viewpoint character being lust love the plan calls it lust and the fact that the trait explicitly suggests brainwashing isn't helping.

It just gets old after what seems like nearly every other quest jumps on the romance wagon at the first opportunity, especially in this type of genre.

Can't a woman just show everybody up and become queen of the castle or break down into an incoherent mess trying for once?
 
Last edited:
RexHeller said:
I'll consider it, but I'm probably going to build something that directly compliments your build. The two runner ups might work with some tweaking but I'll need to give it a lot of thought.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yeah, the top 3 have very little compatibility. You need more of a wrath build to compensate for the reluctance to hurt magical girls, as well as some skill and intellect. Maybe you can take different things from plans you liked to make a character that suits the roll you'll find fun to write, but it's probably not going to look much like what either runner up plan maker intended.

Well, there goes a lot of the fun of being a dark magical girl. Can't play hacky sack with a stunned magical girl if the character is weird about hurting them.
 
Last edited:
Dermonster said:
I don't really vibe with the core driving force of the teenage viewpoint character being lust love the plan calls it lust and the fact that the trait explicitly suggests brainwashing isn't helping.

It just gets old after what seems like nearly every other quest jumps on the romance wagon at the first opportunity, especially in this type of genre.

Can't a woman just show everybody up and become queen of the castle or break down into an incoherent mess trying for once?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Mood. I otherwise like starscream, but I want to find out what ??? Does. That doesn't mean I voted for lust, but Starscream is apparently the only competitor.

Edit: I'd re-add starscream to my vote if it wasn't closed.
 
Last edited:
Dermonster said:
I don't really vibe with the core driving force of the teenage viewpoint character being lust love the plan calls it lust and the fact that the trait explicitly suggests brainwashing isn't helping.

It just gets old after what seems like nearly every other quest jumps on the romance wagon at the first opportunity, especially in this type of genre.

Can't a woman just show everybody up and become queen of the castle or break down into an incoherent mess trying for once?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I mean, fair enough for the latter half, but a) the plan calling it list is because of riffing on how said evil villain just refuses to acknowledge it, and b) said brainwashing not helping is entirely what I'm down with, I want drama.


I mean, if I had come in earlier I probably would have done my own vote. Probably combining the Idol route, love as a vice, and justice from the invisitext - someone who deep down is incredibly principled but has been ground down by the industry and would struggle to believe that the affection others show them is even genuine.

But I missed that and by the time I jumped in this was the vote that appealed to me the most.

I do want to say the puppy kicked comment wasn't really a jab if anyone took it that way - there's plenty of quests where people play as a unrepentant villain (rarely anything repulsive, but unashamedly a bad person). There's something to be said for just being able to not give a fuck about morality, I'm just personally someone who gets way too emotionally invested in fiction.

Honestly at this point though? Fuck it I'd argue Rex just pick starscream. I think plenty of people just want something more than the overemphasis on love, and I'm not one to argue that everything should be about romance, even if I enjoy narratives tied to it. At this point I'd probably just cut my own investment short and come back in a month to see if I want to keep up with it or not, rather than get prissy over a forum quest again. Sucks that the only option that got involved in the esoteric text was the love stuff and people hate that, but I guess I'm just not evil enough idk, already feeling bitter over this so I'm going to put the thread on ignore now.
 
Last edited:
I understand that some people are very deep into the narrative discussions, but I have to say in terms of stats it's not really a competition. The lust plan is the only one that provides a coherent build. Making every stat average like Starscream isn't really that interesting. Whoever came up with the plan lost a lot of votes in my opinion because the stat distribution seems so random.
In addition, pride probably means that there is a disadvantage against all stronger opponents (they are probably the ones most likely to crit). To me, it just seems like a plan that may be narratively well thought out but combat considerations didn't play much of a role. (Soul is the best stat and the plan has it at 9 in good times and -1 in bad, simply unacceptable)
 
Remove ads
Clarifying the winning vote
  • Voting
    • Sorry, I kinda stumbled into bed and passed out after closing the vote. I was just exhausted. Still am. But I really should have cleared up the confusion before bed.

    The winner is Plan L***. Not only did we get that last minute tie breaker, I was also going to pick that one myself as the winner anyway. I was leaning towards it at the time and after reviewing the votes more closely, I'm sure. I get to show off the mystery box and it gives me just a bit more to build off of for character interaction stuff. I know the top two are pretty opposite in what routes they lean to and I can't really help that discrepancy. One does lean more good and the other more evil. You can still take what route you want but it's clear what route people want is split. I can't help that. Sorry.

    As compensation, I'll probably do some Omakes for how alternate plans would have gone. Or at least map out what ideas I had brewing. Maybe both.
     
  • Voting
    • Remove ads
    Clearing up what the Beauty Spell does
  • Informational
    • Okay, I'm up, I'm well rested, I stand by my decision.

    Also, for anyone worried about doing a lot of brainwashing, I used that word because I wanted to keep the spell descriptions short and sweet, not because it was necessarily accurate. And I said brainwashing doesn't count because I didn't want people thinking your spell would be hit by the debuff.

    To clear things up, the spell you get merely enhances your beauty. Basically you get bishy sparkles. Your degree of success determines how effective this is. Within 10 of the DC, your target gets a penalty to attacking you. 10 over the DC, your target is stunned for a round. 20 over the DC, their next attack switches to someone else attacking you. 30 over the DC and higher, they start defending you for the rest of combat because they can't bear to see someone so beautiful tarnished at all.

    If you guys do go down the evil route, you can eventually get actual brainwashing but if you genuinely want to romance magical girls, you don't have to use it on them.
     
  • Informational
    • RexHeller said:
    Okay, I'm up, I'm well rested, I stand by my decision.

    Also, for anyone worried about doing a lot of brainwashing, I used that word because I wanted to keep the spell descriptions short and sweet, not because it was necessarily accurate. And I said brainwashing doesn't count because I didn't want people thinking your spell would be hit by the debuff.

    To clear things up, the spell you get merely enhances your beauty. Basically you get bishy sparkles. Your degree of success determines how effective this is. Within 10 of the DC, your target gets a penalty to attacking you. 10 over the DC, your target is stunned for a round. 20 over the DC, their next attack switches to someone else attacking you. 30 over the DC and higher, they start defending you for the rest of combat because they can't bear to see someone so beautiful tarnished at all.

    If you guys do go down the evil route, you can eventually get actual brainwashing but if you genuinely want to romance magical girls, you don't have to use it on them.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    It's like I'm hearing a voice in the Force. Like… a million people who rightfully didn't want to end up on a twitter thread with allegations suddenly sighed in relief.
     
    Let us weaponize Ara Ara energy, let us wield the power of Ojou Sama, LETS US BE THE BIGGEST LESBIAN BAIT SINCE SAGIRI SAKURAI OF SRW AND RIKA FROM POKEMON! *ahem* sorry for that. Probably wont happen but we will eventually wield these powers. Make the fandom love us, no if or buts. We either rise to tje challenge..... or become girl failures.... or gremilns, whatever comes first.

    Edit:........why did i write this.....
     
    RexHeller said:
    If you guys do go down the evil route, you can eventually get actual brainwashing but if you genuinely want to romance magical girls, you don't have to use it on them.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    Eh, I say we can absolutely use what we already have if we go down the mid-evil route. A bit of "Love me and despair!" flavour can go a long way in keeping a group of minions under control without straight-up mind whammy. And given the end result of character creation is basically a morally ambiguous DND bard...
    I say I'm fine at the current level.
     
    I'm still here for this, because I'm interested in our teammates and need to know if the weird bonus from the big good is interesting, but like, combat just lost 50% of the appeal.

    No spin kicking them into dumpsters Suzaku style. No twirling them by their ponytail before throwing them in a nearby lake. No grabbing them by a leg and repeatedly slamming them into the ground one handed like hulk did to loki. No suplexing them into hotdogs stands or choke slamming them into a massive puddle of cooking oil and assorted food goods forming in the middle of a destroyed grocery store. Can't even pie them in the face with enough force to knock them through a wall.
     
    I don't think I've seen an MC on one of these quests who didn't have a roundabout/gimmicky way of fighting, so I'm rather excited to do things like:
    • Manipulate a crowd of civilians into protecting us from harm.
    • Convince a hero that no, really, we've changed our ways!.. and attack the moment they believe us.
    • Walk into a bank and make the people there rob it for us.
    • Make the MG's attack each other.
    • Make a crane driver attempt to hit a girl with it.
    Plus, it's not like we're stuck with just the one ability. We could still get more ways to fight, I just like the idea of saying 'nope' to combat, and making them do it for us. I just don't want to romance anything.

    I'm somewhat reminded of Balor Gaze from Disgaea 5, which forced targets to fall in love with it's user, Seraphina.
     
    Randino Treviani said:
    I'm still here for this, because I'm interested in our teammates and need to know if the weird bonus from the big good is interesting, but like, combat just lost 50% of the appeal.

    No spin kicking them into dumpsters Suzaku style. No twirling them by their ponytail before throwing them in a nearby lake. No grabbing them by a leg and repeatedly slamming them into the ground one handed like hulk did to loki. No suplexing them into hotdogs stands or choke slamming them into a massive puddle of cooking oil and assorted food goods forming in the middle of a destroyed grocery store. Can't even pie them in the face with enough force to knock them through a wall.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    There's more to fight than just magical girls. And you can still do it to them too, you'll just feel bad while doing it :V
     
    Randino Treviani said:
    I'm still here for this, because I'm interested in our teammates and need to know if the weird bonus from the big good is interesting, but like, combat just lost 50% of the appeal.

    No spin kicking them into dumpsters Suzaku style. No twirling them by their ponytail before throwing them in a nearby lake. No grabbing them by a leg and repeatedly slamming them into the ground one handed like hulk did to loki. No suplexing them into hotdogs stands or choke slamming them into a massive puddle of cooking oil and assorted food goods forming in the middle of a destroyed grocery store. Can't even pie them in the face with enough force to knock them through a wall.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    The penalty is strictly for harm, and it's only a penalty. Why, I imagine that it wouldn't be implausible for there to be some sort of spell that reverses that penalty into a bonus if specific conditions are met, likely involving the target engaging in thematic proscribed behavior. Sort of an inversion of Pride's flaw, y'know?
     
    I mean there's always restraining them with some kind of energy ropes. We can even give them to our leader later as justification for why we didn't just kill them.

    The funny part is that the boss will take it as further proof that it must be lust, when Ai just really doesn't want to cause harm.



    Edit: More seriously, whilst less Physical...

    We're probably going to work by being an utter asshole to fight.

    With our broken levels of Empathy and our decently high Soul, Our Magic Attack bonus is +34 from the get go, +24 if we're going to hurt a magical girl using it. But that's the thing - our Mana pool? Considerably more limited at 18, and our health is around the same at 17. Not as low as our physical attack, but not excellent.

    So we're in a situation where we don't want to use a bunch of high power spells, but can probably get some cheaper ones to work incredibly effectively and consistently, and really want to stay out of close range. Which means that we are probably going to be the resident Buff/Debuff master. Stuff like Illusions is something I think we ought to take a serious interest in, alongside anything that can buff our allies defensive capabilities. Heck, even their offensive ones (We aren't the ones attacking after all).

    And if someone manages to get their act together, either getting past our allies or breaking through our tricks whilst we're alone? Hit 'em with the Bishie Sparkles and laugh as their allies yell "OH MY GOD, RED, YOU USELESS LESBIAN!"
     
    Last edited:
    Reader mode
    You must login or register to reply here.
    Remove ads
    Back
    Top