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Crimson Aria (Arpeggio of Blue Steel)

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Don't forget that while to date, we have only seen WWII active ships, The Fog are known to have been watching us since prior to WWI. Thus ANY Dreadnought that existed before May 1, 1945 (and possibly even Kentucky since her design would be known even if she was never finished. ) could appear.
 
DB_Explorer said:
I think the key take away with Vampire, Repulse, PoW (All of Task Force Z really...) is that both sides of the argument belived they were doing what was best. PoW wanted to joined with Hood to fight Gunzo's father (Likely to put down the Code equivalent of a Heretic I guess?) while Repulse refused and wished to faithfully follow the code to the letter essentially.

So if the ship they get help from believes that its actions are in line with what she believes are best for the fleet then as long as the reasoning makes sense I don't seen an issue.

As for the ship's personality. Dragontrapper seems to be trying to find a balance between making the mental models characters and trying to keep them (at least at first) at a level that would be consistent with an earlier stage of the evolution we see in the Manga.

So for example the ship made a copy of a human base on (or in) an island more to mess with earth moving then any creative endeavor - its like a bored kid kicking around sand at the beach into basic shapes or a hole (Rather then say making sand castle) sure it may seem like something like a trench to catch the sea or something but its not really much. Perhaps she did it as a means to test what she could do with her mental model and choose making a copy of a human base just because she thought that had enough varied needs in terms of power and control to make a good test.

This could with time turn INTO a fetish for earth moving and making increasingly elaborate hideaways...
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I could dig this.
 
Kiyone4ever said:
Don't forget that while to date, we have only seen WWII active ships, The Fog are known to have been watching us since prior to WWI. Thus ANY Dreadnought that existed before May 1, 1945 (and possibly even Kentucky since her design would be known even if she was never finished. ) could appear.
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And Illinois and possibly the Des Moines class.
 
My edit button's down.

I was referring to ships that fought in WWI (or were simply active back then but didn't fight) but weren't around in WWII. I'm also interested to see if we'll see ships that were canceled by the Washington Naval Conference (which explicitly occurred in Fog-verse).
 
00Zy99 said:
My edit button's down.

I was referring to ships that fought in WWI (or were simply active back then but didn't fight) but weren't around in WWII. I'm also interested to see if we'll see ships that were canceled by the Washington Naval Conference (which explicitly occurred in Fog-verse).
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I can only throw in so many ships before it turns into cannon fodder.
 
The two things I want to know are, what's the cut-off points for when a ship could be included in the fleet, and how big they have to be to natively support a Mental Model.

By which I mean, would HMS Vanguard, the last 'classic' battleship ever built (laid down 1940, launched November 1944, commissioned late 1945/early 1946) be a part of the Fog?

And for the second, would the Town-class of 'large light cruisers', such as HMS Belfast, have a Mental Model? After all, the Town-class displaced as much, if not more, than the Furutaka-class of heavy cruisers.
 
I think the distinction of 'Heavy' vs 'Light' cruiser is misleading. Nagara class are light cruisers and lack mental models, but the Japanese used them as Destroyer leaders. The Mogami was originally armed with 6" triple turrets and thus a 'Light' cruiser but later rearmed with twin 8" turrets instead, becoming a 'Heavy Cruiser' like Takao. Wichita was basically an 8" armed Brooklyn. We wouldn't claim that Brooklyn doesn't get a mental model just because she only carried 6 inchers. British 'C' and 'D' class cruisers would be right about on the line and could go either way with the 'E' class and later having mental models. Similarly, Omaha is probably in the same category as Nagara I think. Brooklyn would have a mental model, but Atlanta could go either way.
 
I consider the mass and potential engine power of the ship to be what determines whether it has a mental model or not.

No other distinctions seem to be meaningful.

Submarines are outliers because they seem to have excessively powerful cores for relatively weak vessels.
 
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Einsig said:
Submarines are outliers because they seem to have excessively powerful cores for relatively weak vessels.
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That and the 400-class subs were pretty ridiculously large for the time. It's possible that smaller subs don't have mental models.

Considering this one (likely) sank in the Caribbeans, might be nice if this one showed up at some point but it would likely be part of a different task force.
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Would it were that the 400s were the only submarines with mental models encountered. But the Manga gives us U-2501. I guess the idea is that since submarines are meant for intelligence (By the Fog) and sneaking around, a substantially greater portion of their mass is dedicated to processing power as opposed to destroyers squeezing in every missile tube and other combat system possible at the expense of processing.
 
Major Major said:
The two things I want to know are, what's the cut-off points for when a ship could be included in the fleet, and how big they have to be to natively support a Mental Model.

By which I mean, would HMS Vanguard, the last 'classic' battleship ever built (laid down 1940, launched November 1944, commissioned late 1945/early 1946) be a part of the Fog?

And for the second, would the Town-class of 'large light cruisers', such as HMS Belfast, have a Mental Model? After all, the Town-class displaced as much, if not more, than the Furutaka-class of heavy cruisers.
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I suspect that the cut-off dates are 1914-1945.

And I think that mental models are at least partly dependent on how important a ship was. U-2501 was the first Type XXI u-boat to go on patrol-the first "real" submarine. The I-400 class were the first "strategic" use submarines. The other submarines seen thus far have not had mental models.

Processing power appears to be contained entirely within a ship's union core-see Kirishima. What space is in the rest of the hull doesn't matter.
 
00Zy99 said:
I suspect that the cut-off dates are 1914-1945.

And I think that mental models are at least partly dependent on how important a ship was. U-2501 was the first Type XXI u-boat to go on patrol-the first "real" submarine. The I-400 class were the first "strategic" use submarines. The other submarines seen thus far have not had mental models.

Processing power appears to be contained entirely within a ship's union core-see Kirishima. What space is in the rest of the hull doesn't matter.
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I concede that your position makes the most sense.
 
Yes, but when? Did the ship have to be in full service to count? Did it just have to have been launched and in fitting out? That's the point that I'm trying to work out.
 
00Zy99 said:
And I think that mental models are at least partly dependent on how important a ship was. U-2501 was the first Type XXI u-boat to go on patrol-the first "real" submarine. The I-400 class were the first "strategic" use submarines. The other submarines seen thus far have not had mental models.

Processing power appears to be contained entirely within a ship's union core-see Kirishima. What space is in the rest of the hull doesn't matter.
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It's also possible that hull size is not a hard-and-fast rule for what ships do and don't get mental models.
 
Kiyone4ever said:
Would it were that the 400s were the only submarines with mental models encountered. But the Manga gives us U-2501. I guess the idea is that since submarines are meant for intelligence (By the Fog) and sneaking around, a substantially greater portion of their mass is dedicated to processing power as opposed to destroyers squeezing in every missile tube and other combat system possible at the expense of processing.
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the U-2501 is not any larger then the Gato Class... so HORDES OF AMERICAN LOLI's!

US Navy: WTF?

Firefinder12-B said:
And you guys have to remember that this Story has the USS William D Porter, a
Fletcher destroy with a mental model.
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Yes... but I believe that's a one off... Its the Porter... shit occurs around her.
 
The difference between a light and heavy cruiser is mostly academic, based on the naval treaties after ww1. The Mogami class was the perfect example for this. In the same academic sense, if we removed all the main guns from a ww2 battleship, they would technically become light cruisers because their (previously secondary) armaments were 6 inches. The current general impression separating light and heavy cruisers probably owes more to sci fi than history.
 
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