Cast-Offs of Divinity - A Merchants of Divinity Quest
- Thread starter JayTar
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Something interesting about that contract, is that if it doesn't care about consent, then that means that in some cases if a patient wanted a risky procedure that the doctor thought would be overall harmful then the doctor couldn't do it despite the desire of the patient.
JayTar
Idea briefcase
I would caution against assuming based on the original quest. Contracts here are more standardized. So it's less likely that the god gives you a different contract, and more they they just don't offer you the next one (Or something else).
Indeed. Though again, risk and benefit are subjective. For such a situation, you would have to be in disagreement with the patient over the risks/benefits (Because presumably if they want said risky procedure they think the benefits outweigh the costs).
"Giving the patient what they want" is a type of benefit too. So you would have to think the risks are too great for that as well.
Basically it doesn't necessitate consent. But it can still be helpful.
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The contract being subjective to the signers perspective is interesting...
I wonder if removing those who have abused that fact about the contract would earn us favor among the divine...
I wonder if removing those who have abused that fact about the contract would earn us favor among the divine...
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[] Work: Things seem to be back to "Business as usual". For however usual this business is. Expected pay: 1-3 Decent dots. (2 AP)
[] Networking: Now that you know about the Under Market, maybe you should see if anyone else needs under the table medical work. (3 AP)
I think we need to expand our income options, given our need to provide a larder against the time spent on healing patients or tinkering for Infinium's contract. Incidentally, we need at least 30 AP, so we are well short of what's required, unless JayTar lets us break it up across multiple projects.
[] Networking: Now that you know about the Under Market, maybe you should see if anyone else needs under the table medical work. (3 AP)
I think we need to expand our income options, given our need to provide a larder against the time spent on healing patients or tinkering for Infinium's contract. Incidentally, we need at least 30 AP, so we are well short of what's required, unless JayTar lets us break it up across multiple projects.
- Location
- Sweden
I do really like these environmental descriptions, they're very cool.
I would also be about 0% surprised if the all the water goes to some kind of super project like cooling for an AI core in the center of the city. The fractal city design also seems emblematic of a primarily AI-controlled city.
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RIP that roll.
That's nice. We now have easy access to a 67% improved training speed for any skill we need, at a reasonable price.
I will also note that a declared study is actually quite efficient? It's the same per turn cost as regular tutoring, and is (currently) 50% faster (6d4 vs 5d3). The limitations associated with it means that we'll can't use it for small pops of relevant specialties, but for the bigger build decisions (Naturalism 3, Science 4 or similar) we can quite easily spend 20 TAP on it.
...I'm sad about the research paper roll. But I suppose we'll get access if we publish a paper on one of our experimental effects. Either way, getting an effect rather than doing it experimentally is a huge time save, so we'll do some research here from time to time.
To be completely honest, I just can't seem to find a reason for malific intent against any patient of ours? I mean, I guess it means we can't do things like turn someone into a servitor, but that's very much a moral horizon I'm not interested in crossing. Eh, call me in the MD Old Bones camp. We want the Weight.
Of note: Contracts which are to the spirit are nice in this way, because you can't really be forced to break them by circumstance. It also means there's usually very little in the way of loopholes, but that's only really a problem if you disagree with the spirit in the first place.
It's a teal/blue contract though? Observe:
'Tis to the spirit.
- Location
- Sweden
[X] Plan: Work Precedes Work
-[X] Skill training (Jörmungandr) (Clandestine Proceedings) (4 TAP)
-[X] Work: Things seem to be back to "Business as usual". For however usual this business is. Expected pay: 1-3 Decent dots. (2 AP)
-[X] Networking: Now that you know about the Under Market, maybe you should see if anyone else needs under the table medical work. (3 AP)
-[X] Attend the clear sky celebrations: Likely a waste of time, but rare enough to utterly dismissed. (2 AP)
-[X] Continue crafting the Neuroplasticity enhancer. 14 AP remain. (3 AP)
The main thrust of this plan is acquiring money so that we can enroll on a course to get Biology 4/part of the way to Science 4. After that we can do a cool experimental project to contact Infinium. ...However, I will note that this process will take no small amount of time, and if we want a god faster than I'd be open to an Old Bones plan. The skill training is mostly just finishing Clandestine 3, and then continuing training with Jörmungandr to save money for a High dot.
-[X] Skill training (Jörmungandr) (Clandestine Proceedings) (4 TAP)
-[X] Work: Things seem to be back to "Business as usual". For however usual this business is. Expected pay: 1-3 Decent dots. (2 AP)
-[X] Networking: Now that you know about the Under Market, maybe you should see if anyone else needs under the table medical work. (3 AP)
-[X] Attend the clear sky celebrations: Likely a waste of time, but rare enough to utterly dismissed. (2 AP)
-[X] Continue crafting the Neuroplasticity enhancer. 14 AP remain. (3 AP)
The main thrust of this plan is acquiring money so that we can enroll on a course to get Biology 4/part of the way to Science 4. After that we can do a cool experimental project to contact Infinium. ...However, I will note that this process will take no small amount of time, and if we want a god faster than I'd be open to an Old Bones plan. The skill training is mostly just finishing Clandestine 3, and then continuing training with Jörmungandr to save money for a High dot.
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[X] Plan: Work Precedes Work
In principle, I like both plans, but I don't like that in the plan "sane science, crazy science, and looking at normal people" we spend time on a strange cosmetic transformation instead of something useful, so I'll choose this plan. Well, it's also worth noting that Leviathan is a sea monster and not just a generic dragon, and the proposed appearance of the implant does not reflect this.
In principle, I like both plans, but I don't like that in the plan "sane science, crazy science, and looking at normal people" we spend time on a strange cosmetic transformation instead of something useful, so I'll choose this plan. Well, it's also worth noting that Leviathan is a sea monster and not just a generic dragon, and the proposed appearance of the implant does not reflect this.
[X] Plan Hunger for Dice
-[X] Skill training (Jörmungandr) (Clandestine Proceedings) (1 TAP)
-[X] Skill training (Chemistry) (3 TAP)
-[X] Work: Things seem to be back to "Business as usual". For however usual this business is. Expected pay: 1-3 Decent dots. (2 AP)
-[X] Attend the clear sky celebrations: Likely a waste of time, but rare enough to not be utterly dismissed. (2 AP)
-[X] Continue crafting the Neuroplasticity enhancer. 14 AP remain. (6 AP)
Shifting Impetus's plan to spending more effort on the Enhancer. Networking should be better once we have Clandestine 2. Is the Clear Sky only available for this turn? If not, I would probably shift more AP into Enhancer.
2. Would crafting a human replica to exclusively use for new implant testing get us in trouble?
I think delegating the unethical medical work to an underling should work? Or get everyone we want to get a harmful procedure done to fight us while we're doing it, but that seems questionable with Leviathan's skills and lack of equipment.
After the enhancer, we should probably work on making a better food dispenser. We could do better than paying for standard diets.
I still really like the ants as an invention. Maybe we should make a queen ant or something after Steve's contract.
-[X] Skill training (Jörmungandr) (Clandestine Proceedings) (1 TAP)
-[X] Skill training (Chemistry) (3 TAP)
-[X] Work: Things seem to be back to "Business as usual". For however usual this business is. Expected pay: 1-3 Decent dots. (2 AP)
-[X] Attend the clear sky celebrations: Likely a waste of time, but rare enough to not be utterly dismissed. (2 AP)
-[X] Continue crafting the Neuroplasticity enhancer. 14 AP remain. (6 AP)
Shifting Impetus's plan to spending more effort on the Enhancer. Networking should be better once we have Clandestine 2. Is the Clear Sky only available for this turn? If not, I would probably shift more AP into Enhancer.
1. If we use ourselves as a test subject, would we count as a patient?
2. Would crafting a human replica to exclusively use for new implant testing get us in trouble?
I think delegating the unethical medical work to an underling should work? Or get everyone we want to get a harmful procedure done to fight us while we're doing it, but that seems questionable with Leviathan's skills and lack of equipment.
After the enhancer, we should probably work on making a better food dispenser. We could do better than paying for standard diets.
Once we have the enhancer, 5 Weight, and maybe better food, we should definitely do this to push up Biology or Science by a lot. The fact that Naturalism isn't taught in the Uni means we either need to play the exploration gacha for a teacher there or work on Biology T4 / Precision.
I still really like the ants as an invention. Maybe we should make a queen ant or something after Steve's contract.
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1 AP to prepare it.
And we will need to do something like it if we want infinums contract.
If its that big of a problem we can also put the AP into neuroplasticity.
Any chance to do Chemistry?
That would explain it.
I'm not too attached to training up Organizational, though should I spend the money for university aid?
Don't think that should be necessary when trying to get a start on Chemistry. (With 3 tap we are guaranteed level 1 and have a 27% chance for level 2)
Could do later if we decide we need a big push into chemistry.
[X] Plan Hunger for Dice
[X] Plan: sane science, mad science, and looking at normal people
But we don't need to do something useless, we need to do something self-centered.
For example, an implant that helps lies is useful, but it will still remain self-centered until we try to commercialize it.
- Location
- Sweden
We... should already have Clandestine 2?
@JayTar, I'd like to report an inconsistency with the training, likely brought about as a result of not updating the character sheet often enough:
The exp for Clandestine is wrong here.
Switching to
[X] Plan: Work Precedes Work
then.
The money from there could either lead to the explosives and/or a Biology university course.
Well, if we buy the explosives, at least we can then reverse engineer them, I guess.
[X] Plan Hunger for Dice
I do have to say I prefer this plan with more focus on the neuroplastisty, our lab costs a descent dot every turn we use it, so when we use it we should get the most out of it, getting it done in two turns is possible with this plan if we just work the next turn, and I think that is worthwhile considering our low money.
I do have to say I prefer this plan with more focus on the neuroplastisty, our lab costs a descent dot every turn we use it, so when we use it we should get the most out of it, getting it done in two turns is possible with this plan if we just work the next turn, and I think that is worthwhile considering our low money.
- Location
- Sweden
It doesn't, though? The rules say that a decent lab costs a low dot to use per week. Here:
JayTar
Idea briefcase
30 AP on a single project I'm afraid. So the Neuroplasticity enhancer does not count.
Yay! Happy it was appreciated.
The contract does not self-apply no. Or rather it's automatically assumed that anything you willingly do to yourself is something that is worth the risks. Feel free to self-experiment.
The relevant question is "Is it a person". If you can honestly answer no (say a brain dead clone) then you are fine.
You can chose whatever ethical interpretation you want, but doing so requires you believe it. (Up to and including interpretations that don't classify regular humans as people.)
Good catch! Updated to:
And character sheet updated as well.