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Tricia said:
Seems a smidge unfair considering his paternalism and narcissism are repeatedly called out, at one point explicitly causing his loss to a fighter he could have obliterated with one finger because he felt compelled to humiliate her, and his empire dissolves into infighting because of it upon his exit.
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My own personal feelings are allowed to be unfair :V.
 
OdysseusOfGaming said:
He has a katana now. He gave it a name and talks about feeding it when he jumps into battle. That's his upgrade.
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This is, and I say it without a hint of irony or insincerity in my soul, the best thing ever to happen to Raian. Absolutely perfect, immaculate, I love it with all my heart.

He has become the meme.
OdysseusOfGaming said:
I'm told at the current rate we'll be seeing multiple characters dive into battle with Sukuna and then be defeated in the same chapter soon.
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Manic Dogma said:
Ohma throws Raian off balance, then pitches him to the floor, catching him in a funky arm lock he calls the Water Kata's Screw Cutter Jizo. Jizo being a reference to an extremely benevolent bodhisattva in buddhism, who for the purposes of this technique decides he's tired of being nice and wants to go apeshit, I guess.
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Ah yes, the famed Pacifist Crush technique.

Rei's hostility is accompanied by talking up Raian's strength, all but stating outright that if he wants any chance of victory over Raian he needs to escalate straight to lethal blows.
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A while ago, I joked about Rei's inability to nonlethally dispatch Raian being due to how annoying Raian was. "I don't think I can restrain myself while fighting this kind of asshole" or something.

I wish someone—anyone, really—had reacted to Raian with irritation. Not the kind of hatred that Raian revels in, but irritation at his puerile pride and pointless provocation.


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Dark as Silver said:
OdysseusOfGaming said:
Fun Kengan Omega fact: Raian finally returned to the story this week, after having been away on a tantrum because he lost a fight. We'd been promised an upgrade for him, that he was rethinking the whole way he fights. So he finally turned up with his new upgrade this week.

He has a katana now. He gave it a name and talks about feeding it when he jumps into battle. That's his upgrade.
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Next time he loses he'll come back with a trenchcoat and sunglasses.
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Oh he already has the trench coat, don't worry. He has stubble too
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Man. The more I hear about Kengan Omega, the more I want to crack open this work of accidental comedic genius.

I realize it's probably not as funny as you're making it sound. But it might be.


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Honestly, seeing Raian described as Manic did made me unable to stop thinking about another edgy unflappable manga antagonist: Ryomen Sukuna.

He was cool, once upon a time: terrifying and uncontrollable, a presence that only occasionally appeared and made everything worse when he did. But ever since chapter 237 he's just been in-fucking-sufferable. An endless parade of characters throwing themselves at this guy, getting the shit beaten out of them, and tagging in other characters to get the shit beaten out of them in turn, all while the narrator chokes to death on both of his two cocks at the same time. Utter drudgery.
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To be fair, since Sukuna is both one of the manga's ultimate villains and made only sporadic appearances through most of the manga, I understand why Gege Akutami might want to build some more heat for him.

Continuing to be fair, there is no conceivable reason that he had to fight Satoru Gojo for fifteen fucking chapters, to say nothing of more recent chapters. IMHO, it would have been enough to remind the audience of what he did to Shibuya and demonstrate that he can use Fushiguro's Ten Shadows technique, and let the audience fill in the rest.
 
Personally, while I understand all of Manic's issues with the fight and Raian as a whole, I fucking loved this fight. One of my favourites for the whole manga, and I say that without irony. Yes, Raian shrugs off hits until he doesn't, yes he kind of sucks as a character, arguably yes some of the points the fight makes could be conveyed better (personally I felt the shift from 'spam Advance whenever your most basic techniques fail you' to 'trust what you've built up' super worked), but it just… god, those Ironbreakers. God, Screwcutter Jizou is such a sick name. And frankly I love the idea of everyone standing around worrying about how dangerous Techniques Raian could be only for it to be admitted that deep down he will never use them. It all just works for me. 9/10 fight, I can never recommend it to anybody because holy shit Raian-
 
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Yeah, Baki characters scale above Kengan characters for the most part because while both authors love to throw in outlandish feats, Itagaki is clinically insane, so his characters do shit most authors wouldn't even think of portraying.

Edit: Baki has telekinesis but he's too stupid to use it for anything other than training. It's really not comparable.
 
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Ohma can do image training so well he can see vague images of his master and his foes.

Baki Hanma can do image training so well he can become a triceratops and get the shit beaten out of him by a giant praying mantis.

They are not the same.
 
Kymme said:
Baki can break a man's arm with the force of his eyeballs. He can eat invisible food. This is no contest.
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no. said:
Edit: Baki has telekinesis but he's too stupid to use it for anything other than training. It's really not comparable.
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Kymme said:
Baki Hanma can do image training so well he can become a triceratops and get the shit beaten out of him by a giant praying mantis.
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...is all of this, like, literally true?
 
GreatWyrmGold said:
...is all of this, like, literally true?
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Yes. Baki can manifest weights strapped to his body by just thinking about it, and those weights actually strain his muscles. When he shadow-boxes an imaginary opponent, their attacks actually strike him, push him back and deal damage to him. At one point his imaginary praying mantis opponent picks him up, which means Baki is levitating himself. He appears to straight-up not realize that he is generating kinetic energy with his mind, as he never uses it for anything besides training(and to hit his dad one time).

The invisible food is just him pretending to eat food, taken really seriously. He didn't break the guy's whole arm with his eyeballs, just his fingers. The guy tried to gouge out Baki's eyes but his eyeballs were more durable than the man's finger bones.
 
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Yes. Baki can manifest weights strapped to his body by just thinking about it, and those weights actually strain his muscles. When he shadow-boxes an imaginary opponent, their attacks actually strike him, push him back and deal damage to him. At one point his imaginary praying mantis opponent picks him up, which means Baki is levitating himself. He appears to straight-up not realize that he is generating kinetic energy with his mind, and never uses it for anything besides training(and to hit his dad one time).
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The invisible food also visibly heals him from being beaten up when convinces his dad to sit down and have a family meal mid-battle.
 
In Grappler Baki the United States has to sign a peace treaty every new presidential term with one guy because they're afraid he'll take on the entire US military on his own if they piss him off.
 
Baki's dad is so strong that it would take a nuke to kill him. He oneshot an eighty foot tall mega-elephant. He breaks through a wall of bulletproof glass by walking through it and it doesn't cut his skin. Baki by the end of the third manga series is kinda sorta on that level. He struggles to get his head in the game and go all out, but when he does he can fight him evenly for a while.

Ohma would get his bones rearranged. He would get his guts tied into Boy Scout knots. It's so unfair it's not even funny.
 
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Baki's dad is so strong that it would take a nuke to kill him. He oneshot an eighty foot tall mega-elephant. He breaks through a wall of bulletproof glass by walking through it and it doesn't cut his skin. Baki by the end of the third manga series is kinda sorta on that level. He struggles to get his head in the game and go all out, but when he does he can fight him evenly for a while.

Ohma would get his bones rearranged. He would get his guts tied into Boy Scout knots. It's so unfair it's not even funny.
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Yeah, realistically the only way to make it somewhat fair is to pit Baki against the entire Annihilation tournament roster at once, with no breaks. He'd still be significantly favored to win, but it would at least take him a while, depending on when in the series he did this.

Yujiro would have the Kengan fighters introduced on one page, and then the second page would smash cut to every single one of them being dead.
 
Okay but Baki is going to use his image training and see Niko and then Ohma will go "But the Niko Style is mine now not his." and then punch him in the face through the ghost. Baki will be bleeding on the ground but a have a really genuine smile because his opponent overcame his limits and got even stronger. Baki will spring back up using the strength of only his back muscles which are stronger then a rabbits, the strongest mammal back muscles (source trust me bro) and clap back at Ohma who will then remember the Niko Style:Kick Em in the Nads.

Baki in general has way wackier crap then Kengan but there's no way they won't just say both are nearly the strongest for the crossover.
 
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Omicron said:
In Grappler Baki the United States has to sign a peace treaty every new presidential term with one guy because they're afraid he'll take on the entire US military on his own if they piss him off.
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They do this because this guy literally won Vietnam by himself bare-handed as a teenager.

He also did this in his sleep when the last guy begged him to help overturn a "stolen election."

 
no. said:
Honestly, seeing Raian described as Manic did made me unable to stop thinking about another edgy unflappable manga antagonist: Ryomen Sukuna.

He was cool, once upon a time: terrifying and uncontrollable, a presence that only occasionally appeared and made everything worse when he did. But ever since chapter 237 he's just been in-fucking-sufferable. An endless parade of characters throwing themselves at this guy, getting the shit beaten out of them, and tagging in other characters to get the shit beaten out of them in turn, all while the narrator chokes to death on both of his two cocks at the same time. Utter drudgery.

This refusal to let a pet villain ever be anything but untouchable, unflappable, the coolest ever, reminds me very much of Raian.
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My continual refusal to let go of the fact that Gege hasn't even bothered to confirm that one of the main trio is fucking dead for... fifty chapters now? Sixty?

I am beyond. I am sent. My respect for JJK is presently being employed to build the tunnel they used in the total recall 2012 remake.
 
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