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But the existence of the "you" that you believe in is so tenuous - Shin Megami Tensei/Persona General

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Did a little research on the Persona 5 reveal.

On the day of the reveal, Feb 5th, there was also a Persona concert. Now, interestingly, on the same day, an ad was printed on the Japanese newspaper.

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Translation from another site said:
Notice,

Tonight, I shall visit the Nippon Budokan.

The Phantom.​
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In addition, there was an unannounced segment towards the end in the concert's schedule. Specifically, '? ? ? ? ?'.

So what is it that I am building up to?

The Phantom popping in of course.


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Sound familiar? Does it not bring to mind a certain high school student who leads a notorious, rebellious, double life?

Members of SV, may I present the seiyuu of Lelouch vi Britannia, Jun Fukuyama, in the role of Zero the Phantom, the Protagonist of Persona 5.
 
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?...kkkkkkkk-

ALL HAIL THE PHANTOM! But the video was removed.
 
Some people are hearing Lelouch, but me? I'm hearing the Dark Flame Master.

Yes, I know they're the same voice. Blue Flame, Dark Flame, close enough!
 
Ford Prefect said:
Dragon's Dogma was a mainstream Japanese game and it had homosexual romances. With, like, almost everyone in the game, even after they've died as part of the storyline.

Atlus is however weak on that front, so I'd maybe settle for not using gay people and fat people as the butt of jokes.
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I'll accept "isn't as shit as P4", basically. If we get something as solid in the not-being-awful department as P3, I'm on this like white on rice.

Atlus pls no Hanamura Yosuke clones

pls
 
I went in to p4 thinking Yosuke was going to be the worst most horrible man ever. I was pleasently surprised to find he wasn't even half as bad as people make him out to be, and that the dislike of Teddie was also over stated. Tfw you like all the characters equally despite understanding why other people hate them.

They could have handled Marie much better too.
 
Lilithium said:
I went in to p4 thinking Yosuke was going to be the worst most horrible man ever. I was pleasently surprised to find he wasn't even half as bad as people make him out to be, and that the dislike of Teddie was also over stated. Tfw you like all the characters equally despite understanding why other people hate them.

They could have handled Marie much better too.
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Yosuke is really only terrible because he's in the same game as Kanji and Chie.
 
Fell said:
Yosuke is really only terrible because he's in the same game as Kanji and Chie.
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Just about everyone in the cast was pretty good. Fox in particular was a stellar example of silent characterization. :V

I want Kanji to make me a plushie... FeMC absolutly never.

GUY WHAT IF THE FINAL HEIST IS STEALING THE P3 PROTAGANIST BACK :o TOTALLY DUMB IDEA BECAUSE I HAVEN'T GONE TO SLEEP YET STILL BUT HOLY SHIT guys what if door-kun gets to be not door
 
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Wouldn't it be kind of a bad thing for Door-kun to not be locked?
 
So guys, I have a top secret spoiler of the inevitable crossover games once P5 is released!\

First we have the P5 Protagnist meeting the P4 one!


Then We have the P5 Protagnist meeting the one from P3!

 
Fell said:
Wouldn't it be kind of a bad thing for Door-kun to not be locked?
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My sleep addled brain will have none of this reasonable thinking! A phantom thief is surely able to steal a door while leaving it's conte-
Sucal said:
So guys, I have a top secret spoiler of the inevitable crossover games once P5 is released!\

First we have the P5 Protagnist meeting the P4 one!


Then We have the P5 Protagnist meeting the one from P3!

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t-that wasn't funny it was really really sad but i laughed :sad:
 
Fell said:
Yosuke a shit
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FTFY :V

Lilithium said:
I went in to p4 thinking Yosuke was going to be the worst most horrible man ever. I was pleasently surprised to find he wasn't even half as bad as people make him out to be, and that the dislike of Teddie was also over stated. Tfw you like all the characters equally despite understanding why other people hate them.

They could have handled Marie much better too.
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Dude's motivation was at base the same as the killer's. Slimy enough for government work, or in this case oozing up my playthrough (Teddie was a less-gross non-entity to me, thank christ).

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More importantly, what significance could there be to Igor's assistants being a pair of androgynous peri-pubescent twins this go-around?

I'm just daft enough to hope this has some connection to Philemon because I want my butterfly clown carnival mask god back
 
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Lilithium said:
GUY WHAT IF THE FINAL HEIST IS STEALING THE P3 PROTAGANIST BACK :o TOTALLY DUMB IDEA BECAUSE I HAVEN'T GONE TO SLEEP YET STILL BUT HOLY SHIT guys what if door-kun gets to be not door
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Boo. One of Persona 3's major themes is permanence and coming to terms with death. Moving on. It's a lesson that SEES learns twice - at the end of The Journey, and the end of The Answer. Makoto's sacrifice is a terrible tragedy, and in the wake of it, they all take the lessons they learned hanging out with them and apply to living out their lives to the fullest.

Bringing him back just feels cheap. You're compromising thematic importance just for the sake of a bandaid happy ending.

Mada Egavas said:
Dude's motivation was at base the same as the killer's. Slimy enough for government work, or in this case oozing up my playthrough (Teddie was a less-gross non-entity to me, thank christ).
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This is nonsense. If you reduce Yosuke's 'motivation' for starting the investigation, yes, it was 'the same' as the killer. If 'the same' meant he saw it as an opportunity to liven up a boring rural life he lives because of circumstances outside of his control. The parallels are not unintentional. Yosuke bonds with you at the beginning expecting you to be the same 'boat' as him. But this is some 2+2=43 shit. Yosuke's motivations to pursue the killer were a lot more complicated than the killer's motivation to start killing. Yes, he uses the murder as his excuse to finally 'be somebody', but his grief over Saki is absolutely unquestionable. Any time you tease him about it makes it clear. And far more than anything, Yosuke applies all of that motivation into something positive. There is a fundamental desire to help people embedded in his actions, and to that end, he is the most proactive member of the team. That's what distinguishes him and the killer.

Equivocating him with the killer is bullshit. If anything, it just says how fucked the killer was than how fucked Yosuke allegedly is.

Yosuke's an idiot. He's a dumb-ass teenager. The way he treats Kanji is not cool. Is that so untrue of actual teenagers? Perspective can distort on this somewhat on the internet where people you tend to meet and associate are more conscious of social issues, but are you saying you never met any teenager who made an ignorant joke about LGBT people? Or felt irrationally uncomfortable? If you did, did you feel it immediately made them the worst person ever? More than that, Yosuke himself realizes it's not cool and stops eventually.

Which I think is the linchpin of everything. Yosuke is a work in progress throughout most of the game. He's immature and rude and tries too hard to be cool, but he matures and gains understanding as the story progresses. He's one of the better written characters in the game with arguably the most complete character arc (and certainly one of the better social links).

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More importantly, what significance could there be to Igor's assistants being a pair of androgynous peri-pubescent twins this go-around?

I'm just daft enough to hope this has some connection to Philemon because I want my butterfly clown carnival mask god back
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They're both girls. One has twin buns and the other has a long ponytail. As for the significance, well... they're guards. They're wearing velvet correctional officer uniforms. You, on the other hand, are in a jail. I think the relationship, from that perspective, is probably going to be a little more, eh, professional as opposed to Elizabeth and Margaret. I think the most interesting thing about them, though, is the fact they have both have an eyepatch covering an eye. Left for one, and right for the other. They're 'half-blind', one could say, and my theory is that it lines up with justice both seeing 'guilt' and 'innocence'. That might be something one 'sees' and the other doesn't, and together they're a complete set, as it were.

That's a tale from my ass, though.

Odds on Philemon coming back aren't impossible. I expected him to replace Igor since the original seiyuu died, but clearly he's been recasted, but I think the importance of masks in the game improve his chances a bit. PQ, you could argue, re-emphasized Philemon's place in the setting as well.
 
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Fell said:
That doesn't mean they're not boys. :p
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They have more feminine characteristics than they do male. And while you could make the argument for the long ponytail, ain't no boy who's gonna do twin buns, even in anime.

Besides, Igor hates more testosterone in the Velvet Room than is absolutely necessary.
Besides, Igor hates testosterone in his room. Theodore is barely canon, even.
 
Nyxistence said:
They have more feminine characteristics than they do male. And while you could make the argument for the long ponytail, ain't no boy who's gonna do twin buns, even in anime.

Besides, Igor hates more testosterone in the Velvet Room than is absolutely necessary.
Besides, Igor hates testosterone in his room. Theodore is barely canon, even.
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Quiet you, the twin younger brothers of Bridget can haunt any velvet prison they like!
 
Boo. One of Persona 3's major themes is permanence and coming to terms with death. Moving on. It's a lesson that SEES learns twice - at the end of The Journey, and the end of The Answer. Makoto's sacrifice is a terrible tragedy, and in the wake of it, they all take the lessons they learned hanging out with them and apply to living out their lives to the fullest.

Bringing him back just feels cheap. You're compromising thematic importance just for the sake of a bandaid happy ending.
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Also everybody would die.

Makoto can't get off that door until the idea of suicide, euthanasia, and/or not wanting to live anymore is utterly expunged from the collective unconsciousness forever. And by that point all his loved ones are long gone so he might as well move on to the aftelife.

Re:The Twins, man I hope they do a Zepar/Furfur thing where it's confirmed one of them is a guy but you can't know which is which. Love that shit. But really I just want a clearer idea of what Elizabeth and her siblings ARE. Like they're implied to be angels (Of the Powers choir), but I'd like to know a bit more certainly.
 
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