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Breaker of Chains (30k Angron Quest)

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[X] Yes
-[X] Approach the Sigillite.
-[X] Suggest tactics and allies (Vulkan) Your brother has always been the most humane, that much is obvious to anyone whose met him, given the loyalty between us and no love lost over the Eighths tactics it would be an easy thing to convince the Dragon to face the Night haunter. Upon gathering the three legions suggest a form of bait to bring the most of the Nightlords to bear in one system, then use the combined might of your legions and brothers to bring down Konrads bastard sons and kill their father


I want to see how involving Malcador will result in, and Vulkan's the most humane primarch. He'd be quite against Konrad's senseless slaughter and sadism
 
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[X] Yes
-[X] Ensure the destruction of Nostramo is known before taking action, to ensure we aren't wrongly blamed for it.
-[X] Bait him into a confrontation. The one reliable place to find Curze is behind his current target.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Approach the Sigillite.

Almost entirely because of the off the wall while still in character nature of it, it's just a clever idea. I worry it will really get us in Horus' shitbooks but hey, guess I'm a sucker for some drama
 
The biggest problems that I see with approaching Malcador -- bearing in mind that I am still voting for it -- are
1: It involves directly undercutting Horus' authority in 'matters martial' about 20 minutes after he got done using it for the first time.
2: While Malcador has a fair bit of reason to want the Night Haunter gone, he doesn't necessarily need it done now -- and if Big E's plans do eventually involve a transfer of power to a civilian administration, he'll likely know that and be aware that he'll get his chance eventually. That gives him a leg up in negotiations, insofar as he's more willing to wait than we are, and may get what he wants in the end regardless. To that end, he'll probably try to use this as an opportunity to conserve his assets (which would have been used to hunt down Curze anyway), reduce our assets, and gather some nice blackmail information on Angron and Corax.
He'll probably still help, though.
 
[X] Yes
- [X] Suggest tactics and allies (Vulkan) Your brother has always been the most humane, that much is obvious to anyone whose met him, given the loyalty between us and no love lost over the Eighths tactics it would be an easy thing to convince the Dragon to face the Night haunter. Upon gathering the three legions suggest a form of bait to bring the most of the Nightlords to bear in one system, then use the combined might of your legions and brothers to bring down Konrads bastard sons and haul their father before the gates of terra for judgement.
-[X] Ensure the destruction of Nostramo is known before taking action, to ensure we aren't wrongly blamed for it.

Kinslaying ain't something to be proud of, but Curze crossed too many lines long ago. Besides that the poor bastard's existence is misery. He wants to die and deserves peace.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Approach Alpharius

Probably wont win but I do want more Alpharius bonding.

Approaching Malcador is going to be egg shells though, although part of me do just want to see it.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Approach the Sigillite.
-[X] Suggest tactics and allies (Vulkan) Your brother has always been the most humane, that much is obvious to anyone whose met him, given the loyalty between us and no love lost over the Eighths tactics it would be an easy thing to convince the Dragon to face the Night haunter. Upon gathering the three legions suggest a form of bait to bring the most of the Nightlords to bear in one system, then use the combined might of your legions and brothers to bring down Konrads bastard sons and kill their father
-[x] Approach Alpharius

Edit: turns out what I said were absolute lies. D:
 
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Strange9 said:
The biggest problems that I see with approaching Malcador -- bearing in mind that I am still voting for it -- are
1: It involves directly undercutting Horus' authority in 'matters martial' about 20 minutes after he got done using it for the first time.
2: While Malcador has a fair bit of reason to want the Night Haunter gone, he doesn't necessarily need it done now -- and if Big E's plans do eventually involve a transfer of power to a civilian administration, he'll likely know that and be aware that he'll get his chance eventually. That gives him a leg up in negotiations, insofar as he's more willing to wait than we are, and may get what he wants in the end regardless. To that end, he'll probably try to use this as an opportunity to conserve his assets (which would have been used to hunt down Curze anyway), reduce our assets, and gather some nice blackmail information on Angron and Corax.
He'll probably still help, though.
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Undercutting is definitely one way to phrase it! Angron might prefer 'limiting' though. I mean, honestly, should the Warmaster be able to prevent the civil administration from sanctioning a Legion that is blowing up Imperium worlds?

Aodyssey said:
[X] Yes
-[X] Approach the Sigillite.
-[X] Suggest tactics and allies (Vulkan) Your brother has always been the most humane, that much is obvious to anyone whose met him, given the loyalty between us and no love lost over the Eighths tactics it would be an easy thing to convince the Dragon to face the Night haunter. Upon gathering the three legions suggest a form of bait to bring the most of the Nightlords to bear in one system, then use the combined might of your legions and brothers to bring down Konrads bastard sons and kill their father
-[x] Approach Alpharius


I'm voting for it because I like both the Sigillite and Alpharius, but I must remind peeps that they're both our enemies, or atleast aligned against our interests. Our history of animosity with them likely means they will never be our allies, so any attempts to curry favor is probs doomed.
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Nah Alpharius is generally ambivalent towards Angron, the vote with him as an enemy had a lot of steam but it didn't actually win in the end. Malcador, canonically, does not actually hold personal grudges against the Primarchs — he just kinda shrugs off Mortarion trying to throttle him and Lorgar punching him like twenty metres through the air. For all of his many, many, many faults, dude is not possessed of a fragile ego. If he comes after Angron (and unless we can get him and the Emperor a divorce, he eventually will), it's for largely impersonal reasons.
 
[X] Yes
- [X] Suggest tactics and allies (Vulkan) Your brother has always been the most humane, that much is obvious to anyone whose met him, given the loyalty between us and no love lost over the Eighths tactics it would be an easy thing to convince the Dragon to face the Night haunter. Upon gathering the three legions suggest a form of bait to bring the most of the Nightlords to bear in one system, then use the combined might of your legions and brothers to bring down Konrads bastard sons and haul their father before the gates of terra for judgement.
-[X] Ensure the destruction of Nostramo is known before taking action, to ensure we aren't wrongly blamed for it.


Let's just kill the fucker and be done with it.
 
My bad, I was under the impression Alpharius won the nemesis vote. Malcador, like Dorn stands for all the things we doesn't stand for tho
 
[X] Yes
- [X] Try to convince corax to capture for a primarch trial and only kill as a last resort.
- [X] Suggest tactics and allies (Vulkan)
 
Ultimately I'm happy to see wherever this goes.

[x] Yes
-[x] Suggest tactics and allies: we're Angron. Don't overthink this. Approach Konrad's compound and wreck his shit. Corax will take care of stragglers, intelligence and opsec.

One thing I would like to say though, is that Corax would probably be opposed to bringing in Malcador for similar reasons to why he'd be opposed to bringing in Horus; these are the people who used his legion as the space CIA and made butchers out of his sons.
 
Geedubs said:
Ultimately I'm happy to see wherever this goes.

[x] Yes
-[x] Suggest tactics and allies: we're Angron. Don't overthink this. Approach Konrad's compound and wreck his shit. Corax will take care of stragglers, intelligence and opsec.

One thing I would like to say though, is that Corax would probably be opposed to bringing in Malcador for similar reasons to why he'd be opposed to bringing in Horus; these are the people who used his legion as the space CIA and made butchers out of his sons.
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My view on this— and it's a fair point to raise — is that Corax is wily enough to see the political outcome here for what it is, and when it comes to Malcador and Horus his perspective will be "When I see a devil and a monster do battle, as a man I must pray that they both die."

E: Like if anything he might be annoyed he didn't think of it first, killing Curze and ratcheting up the conflict between Malcador and Horus? He didn't realise it was his birthday.
 
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[X] Yes
-[X] Ensure the destruction of Nostramo is known before taking action, to ensure we aren't wrongly blamed for it.
-[X] Bait him into a confrontation. The one reliable place to find Curze is behind his current target.
 
[X] Yes
-[X] Approach the Sigillite.

Sounds like the most interesting option of the lot with a bunch of chances of going wrong in a fun way so my favorite currently. Driving a wedge between Horus and Malcador and having them do more infighting is cool too.

Remember, we want to watch the Imperium burn not preserve it necessarily.
 
[X] Yes

I honestly have no solid preferences on the subvote, but does anyone else feel like "Tchar" is going to be in a mood to give Angron some hearty backpats depending on which option wins here?

If it weren't for his glaring lack of impromptu hat collection, I'd swear this version of the man was a jagermonster. In the sense that no one ever expects the loud, down to earth, and decidedly unsubtle one to engage in plots, keep secrets, and run schemes.
 
I would suggest to at least send Horus a message that we will confront Curze over the destruction of Nostromo.

Due to the unreliability of astropathic communication we obviously won't hear a "No, stop that" until it's far too late, but we would hear an "Okay go on" on the matter.
 
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