Bound to Earth: A CK2 Earthbound Quest in an 8-bit Dystopia

I'm personally more partial towards making a Criminal Org. Probably not a gang, per say, closer to a revolutionary cell or a secret society. We can draw up the memory of XCOM's early days, the secret fight against the aliens and all that shit, if we know about it.
 
Alright then.

On the one hand, I do really like some of the points that Josiah brought up, and it does show they're putting a lot more thought into this than expected. I'll be honest, i genuinely kept thinking you were im that more for the aesthetic than for anything else.

However...

However I won't comment on the idea itself, I'll just remind you all of some facts CD would know in character:
  • CD has been informed and knows for a fact that an alien entity intends to commit genocide on the Eagle Quarter, and after that the whole City.

  • CD has had two attempts made on her life so far (one by a lamp) and knows the enemy is bound only by secrecy, not by laws or morality.

  • However, from the state of the town, even CD is aware the enemy is more then capable of manipulating the constraints and laws of society against any who might oppose them.

  • Not even their own mother was safe from the enemy's influence or plans.
These in mind make me feel the main thrust of the idea is too focused on the values and community aspect, when what we're creating is ultimately something that's trying to stop an alien genocide. It's great as an org attempting to ignite social change over a long period... but what we're in right now is a fight for survival, and it's not quite as effective in regards to that. it could still probably function, but it would be inherently more limited.


I do want to incorporate a lot of Josiahs aethetics into whatever we create though. And yeah, whilst I'm up for criminal, I think whatever we need to make needs to have some aesthetic at least.

Personally, I was hoping for something akin to the Kids Next Door, given our current situation.
 
Reading the last two updates, I have a question that keeps nagging in the back of my head. Or, well, it's not really a question, because I'm pretty sure the ambiguity is deliberate, but it's still an itch I just can't quite scratch away.

Does... Does Kart and Floppy know? Did anyone sit down and tell them that Mom isn't coming back?

Because the text never actually makes that clear. And while normally you would assume that stuff like this happens offscreen, we also just got a reminder that C.D. isn't good with difficult conversations at the best of times. And now she is a teenager with a depression who just got told -over the phone even- that her mom no longer considers herself their mother. Which would fuck up anyone even without the added pressure of suddenly being financially responsible for an entire household. If C.D. does not have the mental resources right now to figure out how to break The Worst News Imaginable to her siblings, I wouldn't blame her.

And yeah, Kart and Floppy have probably figured out that something is wrong even if C.D. didn't tell them anything. You do not need Super Empathy to realise that the phone call went very, very wrong. But at the same time, there is also a very big qualitative difference between "Sis had a bad conversation with Mom and is now sad" and "Sis had a bad conversation with Mom where she said she never loved us and is never coming back" that I wouldn't expect anyone to be able to intuit.
 
These in mind make me feel the main thrust of the idea is too focused on the values and community aspect, when what we're creating is ultimately something that's trying to stop an alien genocide. It's great as an org attempting to ignite social change over a long period... but what we're in right now is a fight for survival, and it's not quite as effective in regards to that. it could still probably function, but it would be inherently more limited.


To be completely fair, neither Corp nor Criminal organization would have "fight against the genocidal Alien" as their raison d'etre? I mean the difference between them is largely how they approach other human factions, not how they approach the Giygas. What they can do and cannot do against the fellow Citizen (and to what sort of citizen what sort of action could be allowed).
Reason to be for the Corp is "to get a lot of money and become rich and powerful", for the Criminal organization is "to get a lot of money and become rich and powerful by doing crimes", and for this type of Archaic group I proposed it's "to improve Onnet and the Eagle Quarter, through the sport and culture, and for this we do need a lot of money and power I guess"? Neither of them is "to fight Giygas" (for a focus that narrow we would probably need some other archaic organization, like Army), but neither of them would preclude fight against Giygas?

And I was under impression (maybe falsely actually) that we would go for the Corp or the Criminal organization precisely because they are easier to recruit into and it would be easier for them to interact with other orgs than openly declaring that we are to fight against the Alien? Like that's a secret reason, and ideally even secret for Giygas and his agents. Like the Corp or Criminal org would still be partially a cover to hide our anti-Giygas machinations?

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I mean like
Says we are going to show the alien corpse to the Treehouse Boys and tell them "we are going to fight against this secret invasion!", and they are "wow, alright, but how??", and we are "as our first step, we would create a sports&culture association to recruit people and get funds" and they are like "...I guess? But how the aliens are connected to this?"
And if our answer is "as our first step, we would create a medical corporation to recruit people and get funds" it would the the same "...I guess? Wait, medical? I thought you've told us we are to fight against the alien"
And the next answer to both would be "We would fight them covertly, but to get funds and to recruit we would be doing that stuff overtly"
And the Treehouse Boys would be "Overtly and covertly? Wow CD you really know the smart words, such a mellifluous loquacity, we are in"
 
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Not to be rude, but i REALLY REALLY hate the cult/mlm bit. Just because we happened to be a healing specialist doesn't mean we should ritent our entire fucking bit around it. This feels like a square peg in a round hole. It feels like it's focusing on one very narrow angle of our powerset just because it's funny and not because it's thematically appropriate. I got into this to fight some fucking aliens, not to be a religious leader/health care provider. Plus, on a practical level, the aliens know what PSI is and are, in fact, specifically hunting PSI users, so i'd think it wouldn't be hard to put two and two together on that.

Personally, I was hoping for something akin to the Kids Next Door, given our current situation.
There's what was missing! Yeah, that's sorta the idea I want. I kinda want to find a way to fuse this with the youth league idea. Not sure how, though. My first idea is to go...Hm. It sorta depends, like, how does the criminal/corporate distinction work? Because, like, to be clear, I kinda want to do both. Ya know, legitimate business style, as the saying goes IE the corporate operations are mainly there as a front for recruitment/operations if that makes sense. Hm...Basically, what i'm thinking is something like what TV Tropes would call a Milkman Conspiracy, where we create a seemingly-innocuous organization that uses its seeming lack of power as a front. Hm...
 
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neither Corp nor Criminal organization would have "fight against the genocidal Alien" as their raison d'etre
i guess no organisations would publicly claim to fight against gygas, true. members would know what's up, but we can't tell everyone.

maybe the issue The3rdCorinthian has is more of a matter of "this invests really heavily in something specific that won't help deal with the invasion"? a sport and culture group would be most effective at improving amenities/initiatives and the like.

this which would only vaguely help us when we're fighting against something capable of hypnotising a bunch of people to cause *serious* amounts of damage. if the movement starts getting dangerous to them they could engineer a scandal or whatever to rip away at our popular support, so it needs to be able to stand on its own?

meanwhile, a gang would by necessity try and get

Reason to be for the Corp is "to get a lot of money and become rich and powerful", for the Criminal organization is "to get a lot of money and become rich and powerful by doing crimes"
sorry if all of this sounds like I'm trying to shut down attempts to help other people. the thing is, right now we're in a serious situation...
And I legitimately don't believe being a corp/criminal organisation would stop us from helping people. rechecked the info we have on organisation types and it says that basically corps/gangs are really only defined by whether they pretend to follow the law or not and their business methodology. for instance, the onnet police force probably actually count as a corp, with "doing police stuff" being the service they sell. some gangs are freedom fighters, and those probably focus more on their goal than personal greed.
so we can provide hope/support to people who need it if we have the resources no matter what

if we want to help people, the best way to do it is to 1: stop gygas from killing everyone, and 2: stop other factions from taking advantage of everyone by exerting influence and opposing them. focusing on entertainment isn't as relevant when there's all this stuff going down (and what about people who don't like sports and/or culture?)

I don't want to make the mistake of being overly cynical and criticising attempts to do good. what i want to do is help in a way that matters more/is more tangible, rather than looking nice, focusing on happiness over survival, and leaving ourselves as open to be countered by eroding popular support/having things fail because other factions are trying to kill/beat us up and take our stuff

i REALLY REALLY hate the cult/mlm bit.
this is a valid point, I seriously dislike the possibility of forming a sports organisation because that would be particularly governmental/boring (it's hard to put my finger on). like, we're trying to become a legitimate authority/THE MAN. milquetoast? that sort of thing.
completely doesn't fly with our character/situation (it's totally different to be an athlete and a manager, sports dreams can be satisfied at a smaller scale where it's more chill)

when something wild like a cult gets brought up, please remember it's still CD and the people who the treehouse gang recruit that are going to be the membership of it. there won't need to be exploiting vulnerable people and all the various terrible things these organisations do IRL (not the least because PSI is real so people buying our services won't be scammed.)
the important thing in here is business methodology. these things probably exist because they're effective, and it would make it a lot easier to do a lot of the things we're doing anyway since they can fit into this. can make a secret society about opposing gygas and that can be its listed goal to people who're a member, and that will work for them and fit into easy to manage framing and the like

trying to make sure nobody hates what gets decided on will probably be a massive pain, but what i'm saying is the vibes don't need to be terrible? being in the health issue won't be our entire focus no matter what, it's just one of many possible plans to help people moving forward.
a while ago crosswire said our faction can totally have elements of ideas other than what we pick iirc.
 
the important thing in here is business methodology. these things probably exist because they're effective, and it would make it a lot easier to do a lot of the things we're doing anyway since they can fit into this. can make a secret society about opposing gygas and that can be its listed goal to people who're a member, and that will work for them and fit into easy to manage framing and the like
They really aren't, unless you're counting "effective at conning people out of their money". Either way, i'm sorry for being overly aggressive, but that sounds even more like "the man" then my idea. At least mine has the connection of youth and all that. Plus, there's also the criticism I made that an organization explicitly tied to the occult is the sorta thing Giygas would clock pretty quickly as being Up to Shit, I think. Also, uh...This whole idea seems heavily focused around training PSI...PSI is not actually an ability most people possess. I just really think it's latching onto the healing powers which, to be honest, as much as they're useful, just doesn't really feel right to me. I want to go more, well, RPG party then corporatocracy, if that makes sense. Ragtag band of misfits type of stuff. It's part of why i'm having trouble here, I don't really like any of the options. Corpo feels wrong aesthetically and in terms of vibes, but I do want to play the public opinion game so Crim is out, but also, anarchic is explictly a bad idea...I don't know what option fits with what i'm thinking.
 
I'll admit I do like the idea of a lot of these things we're throwing around. A culture club or youth league sounds fun and interesting. But I think we're all getting a little lost in the sauce when we keep talking about new ways to structure our organization. Getting down to brass tacks, we have criminal and corporate technically archaic options. What form they take can be decided later.

In my opinion. Being nice and or aesthetically pleasing is secondary to defeating the genocidal alien attempting to wipe us out. Helping people and being kind is great, heart of gold and all that. It does serve a purpose since positive public recognition will help us with recruits and some decisions. But I think that can only go so far against Giygas.

I'm personally leaning towards criminal, mostly because I think trying to play with public opinion in a game where CD already has a negative reputation and Giygas can freely PSI people in power is... unwise. Plus I don't like the legal restrictions
 
I think a lot of what people are trying to accomplish with either a sports club or a healing cult could be done with your typical Robin hood-esque revolutionary gang. They could push for major, positive social change, get some decent public support, and still not raise too many eyebrows when they do something like, oh I don't know, get into a major brawl with Captain Strong and his forces. Think V for Vendetta. The only people who would naturally be opposed to such a group would be the people currently benefitting from how things are now, and conservative types with no imagination or tolerance. Anyone else we would at least have a chance to convince. That's my two cents anyway.
 
darn, this argument happened before hasn't it?
It's sort of hard to determine how things will work out since this is a game, but i think any consequences are managable. like, we don't need 100% realism, just what makes sense in a story.
by the organisation being effective, I'm saying they exist today, can grow in size without popular support, all that stuff. it's not a scam by nature so you don't need to worry about that, and religions are pretty successful still? that one might sort of be a weird point.
Giygas would clock pretty quickly as being Up to Shit
it has advantages in being physically discrete and having an excuse to hide any psychic things we're doing behind to keep it secret from opposing humans, and i mean it's not like gygas isn't vaguely aware of what we're doing anyhow (if they're not, they will be), so trying to hide behind a mundane organisation won't stop them
that sounds even more like "the man" then my idea
when i jokingly call founding an association as being "the man" it's because it's basically trying to be an administrative body telling kids what to do, and that's probably what the first members we get see? too bureaucratic.
PSI is not actually an ability most people possess
admittedly, only some people will be able to learn PSI, but the people who can will unlock it by proximity to existing PSI users, so our odds are better than it might seem? psi-users who don't exist currently will be created, and we should be able to find those with potential. (my hope's that eventually we'll be able to get some pseudo-psychic technology to let mundane people pull stuff off, but that's long-term.)
for now, to expand our healing service we don't need tons of people, just one or two who can cast it with other people playing support/interference. not everyone working in a hospital is medically qualified, and likewise to expand we'd benefit from people promoting things, making it seem more legitimate, and so on.
go more, well, RPG party
building our forces as multiple small groups like you'd get in a dispersed structure might actually work pretty well for this. if we concentrate force into teams that can cover each-other's weaknesses a RPG party would naturally arise, as opposed to direct massed force. asymetrical warfare is something i'm quite a fan of, and feels useful with the foes we're up against

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getting a little lost in the sauce when we keep talking about new ways to structure our organization
probably! when building the faction, might need to make decisions step by step. like, whether we want to be a corp/gang/archaic first, then figure out the flavor afterward? rather than splitting the vote all weird.
trying to play with public opinion in a game where CD already has a negative reputation and Giygas can freely PSI people in power is... unwise.
I feel like forcing cass's reputation to get even worse by starting a gang would sort of be a shame, which is part of the reason i'm leaning more towards a secret society if we pick a criminal organisation. it's shady, but a different kind that's easier to deal with?
if we form a corp, we might be able to get around the issue of our bad reputation by separating ourselves from the day-to-day running of it? conceal our influence over it and the like.
having a Corp would probably involve a matter of *preventing* negative opinion from occurring. but at the very least being feared would make people less likely to think they can take us down directly? (I think it would hilarious to have a delinquent with a baseball as our board chairperson, just imagine that mental image :)
 
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it has advantages in being physically discrete and having an excuse to hide any psychic things we're doing behind to keep it secret from opposing humans, and i mean it's not like gygas isn't vaguely aware of what we're doing anyhow (if they're not, they will be), so trying to hide behind a mundane organisation won't stop them
Giygas took direct control of Recerd and used her as a suicide bomber specifically because doing so would hurt C.D.

Looking down at the satchel on the floor of your cubical, you remember exactly what you were made to build over the last month.

He wanted to hurt CD, didn't he?
So yeah, the big guy is way more aware of our existance than I am comfortable with.
 
sorry if all of this sounds like I'm trying to shut down attempts to help other people. the thing is, right now we're in a serious situation...
And I legitimately don't believe being a corp/criminal organisation would stop us from helping people. rechecked the info we have on organisation types and it says that basically corps/gangs are really only defined by whether they pretend to follow the law or not and their business methodology. for instance, the onnet police force probably actually count as a corp, with "doing police stuff" being the service they sell. some gangs are freedom fighters, and those probably focus more on their goal than personal greed.
so we can provide hope/support to people who need it if we have the resources no matter what

Well, what I was also trying to say is that I don't see how the sprots&culture would be not-fighty against the alien? I am obviously trying to sell it with all the things it can do in terms of DIplomacy & Stewardship, but it can be fighty (especially against the aliens). There is no legal protection for aliens (even setting aside what the "legal protection" in this setting is heh) so the point is mute.
Nobody is saying "well, the healthcare corp would be good at selling healthcare, but it would not be fighty enough against the Giygas, we aren't goign to "/heal him of genocidal dreams/"). Everybody accepts that the corp would be fighty enough, no matter what their business model - both if/when it would be a big corp or when it would be just a small "corp" based in Onnet and consisnted of CD, Porky and Treehouse boys.

I don't see how "archaic sport&culture" would be different there by "doing only good and not fighting against the Giygas" by default.

this is a valid point, I seriously dislike the possibility of forming a sports organisation because that would be particularly governmental/boring (it's hard to put my finger on). like, we're trying to become a legitimate authority/THE MAN. milquetoast? that sort of thing.
completely doesn't fly with our character/situation (it's totally different to be an athlete and a manager, sports dreams can be satisfied at a smaller scale where it's more chill)

Thats the part of the joke in my opinion. Maybe the biggest part. Yes, this organization would (aside from fighting against the genocide) naturally tend to accept the government role ("but to do good"/"we just need this bit of power and authority now to do mobilize this force against Giygas/corrupt boss/change something for better"/"oh I guess we are in charge of this thing now"), and this is funny because 1. Yes, it's becoming goverment by doing the (ostensibly) non-profit things, subjugating and demoliship the oh-so-cynical gangs and evil corporations in process - which is against the theories of "how state arises". Like narturally it's the organized gang or evil cyberpunk corp who should take all the power from the hapless orgs like this.

and 2. Yes, precisely because the CD is so anti-authority! Ideally without her ever realizing this! "CD, you command the security/army group, you tax the corps, you beat the gangs, you order around the police, you decide on the laws and stuff, you spend those taxes on schools and healthcare and welfare and on roads or whatnot - YOU are the Authority! YOU are THE MAN!" - ideally this thought should never, ever visit her.

I admit, I may have a weird sense of humor, but this is peak funny for me.

when i jokingly call founding an association as being "the man" it's because it's basically trying to be an administrative body telling kids what to do, and that's probably what the first members we get see? too bureaucratic.

No, it can't be like that at the beginning. At the beggining this would be "we need an org todo the good things that the damn police and the crapsack of a mayor won't do, and we would support the sports teams and the movies and the musicians - and we would be getting money from this, and we would be recruiting agents from them - to fight the Giygas!"

(and later and gradually it would become bureucratic and govermental without anyone realizing it. Or maybe one random bad guy would. "You SHEEP?! Don't you see that she's just trying to take over everything?! She is a tyrant here, I am the freedom fighter, I fight for your freedom to do business and sell drugs to kids! Why are you so goddamn blind!". And CD is like "Wow, that's a ridiculous lie. I am not the Authority person")
 
My stance on the Org hasn't really changed, as I remain firm in my anti-Corpo beliefs, I'd rather we not pull an Anakin and become the very thing we sought to destroy

Either Archaec or Criminal is the way to go. Between the two I'm more in the mood for the former, though forming our own Section 9 via Criminal does have its own appeal, it might feel like we're taking down one or a few evils to then replace them with our brand of evil (in the eye of the public, not like we're the evil ones).
 
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You know, I don't think the fact that the bomb used too many RoboDyne parts would've been discernable if it blew up. Good thing we called when we did, huh?
 
I'm mildly curious as to if the Big Three and ZEED will take note of Giygas' presence. If anyone was going to discover them besides us (thanks to Buzz Buzz), it would be them. Overwhelming PSI power or not, the more Giygas acts against the powers-that-be, the more they'll suspect something is amiss. This is only the tip of the iceburg. Giygas needs to leverage some cloak and dagger to cover his tracks, because an alien invader is the only thing that could get all three of them to cooperate.

Giygas could certainly fight a half-complete Gamma, shoot down a slapdash Death Egg, and weather a swarm of premature metroids. Plus a crapload of ninjas. Whether or not Giygas could handle all of them at once is a different story.
 
admittedly, only some people will be able to learn PSI, but the people who can will unlock it by proximity to existing PSI users, so our odds are better than it might seem? psi-users who don't exist currently will be created, and we should be able to find those with potential. (my hope's that eventually we'll be able to get some pseudo-psychic technology to let mundane people pull stuff off, but that's long-term.)
for now, to expand our healing service we don't need tons of people, just one or two who can cast it with other people playing support/interference. not everyone working in a hospital is medically qualified, and likewise to expand we'd benefit from people promoting things, making it seem more legitimate, and so on.

Well if your main goal is to find people who can use PSI, that can be done just as well with any other org type. The difficulty with finding PSI users is that no one can tell who has it ahead of time, including the people in question. Making an org advertising psychic powers isn't going to make it any more likely to find them, because the people answering don't actually know whether they have powers. Think of so called psychics in real life, most of them are just idiots without enough critical thinking skills to figure out that one weird thing that happened that one time. Any other org type can internally put a focus on finding PSI users just fine.
 
We're fighting a secret war. Having a nice and friendly "legitimate" facade to our organization feels like a good idea. And funds are still an issue we need to deal with.
 
Setting up at least a spin off company that makes money off of healing is a good idea, but we really shouldn't make it into a spiritual or religious thing. Yes, for us specifically it's just a cover, but exactly because it works people will very much end up believing in it and go off running with the thing. Even if we are strictly ethical, others taking advantage of it wont.
Much better to just use fake miracle technology that can only be 'operated' by 'qualified professionals' aka healers.
That definitely has its own problems, but at least it won't unleash another evil on the world.
 
I don't see how the sprots&culture would be not-fighty against the alien?
hmm yeah, we'd be in a similar state martially with most corps, whether they be sport, medicine, etc. think what i'm getting at is how corp would also have (whatever their products are) as something else to provide.
health sector stuff is more useful than entertainment sector stuff for the most part. might be less of an advantage if we could heal anyhow in-house, but it also gives us an opportunity to support the health of our group members, performing useful research if we can get equipment from the hospital, and PR boosts if we can do a better job than existing infrastructure for far cheaper.

I've previously said the advantages of providing (disguised) psychic products/services as well, focusing on that sort of thing ideally lets us take action to oppose gygas while making money at the same time, in a way that garners less suspicion

meanwhile, as you've said if we end up with sport and culture we'd get more luxury stuff, which would mainly boost morale? could also help with equipment and infastructure, but that should be managable anyhow/might be limited in utility?

there's advantages to each, but my point is that focusing on the psychic angle has more directly useful advantages.
YOU are the Authority! YOU are THE MAN!
and later and gradually it would become bureucratic and govermental without anyone realizing it
may be quoting the wrong thing here, but this hits a similar vibe to how i said this previously
I think it would hilarious to have a delinquent with a baseball as our board chairperson
(now sorry in advance, this argument's a little out there, but bear with me lol. )

basically, it's like this? megacorps are terrible, but if one's led by a gang of teenagers that's completely divorced from the typical "old white men" you'd usually see. because it's so incompatible it breaks the bad vibes? instead of falling into the twisted system, someone unwittingly replaced it entirely (in our territory at least). could give the effect of a "teenager who gained disproportionate political power"

if you tried to do this with a charity, it would fall flat. the organisation's not scary, so the conflicting vibes would be between violence and public good, (as opposed to being the authority and the ones stepped upon). would just end up as a "gangster who saves puppies" archetype, which isn't fun?

to clear up stuff, I'm saying that putting cass in charge of a corp and a charity both would be unconventional and end up silly, but doing a charity would easily fit into various jerk with a heart of gold stereotypes. there's nothing wrong with those, but you kind of see them everywhere right?
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The difficulty with finding PSI users is that no one can tell who has it ahead of time
yeah, that can't be helped. what i'm hoping is that there might be an action to test faction members all at once, which would hopefully reveal some who can quickly help out
the organsiation being psychic based isn't intended to try and recruit a ton all at once, but to utilise any who we do manage to find, if that makes sense

We're fighting a secret war. Having a nice and friendly "legitimate" facade to our organization feels like a good idea. And funds are still an issue we need to deal with.
a lot of things would work here which is good. whatever the case, we probably need some above ground action, some below ground action (just not in such a way that actions are redundant). one part to help people deal with the situation/lower gygas's influence, one part to strike out where we can't publicly/where we need to.

people will very much end up believing in it and go off running with the thing. Even if we are strictly ethical, others taking advantage of it wont.
this is a serious concern, we've already seen people freak out over the healing (probably because it was a tier 1) so part of my priorities for expanding it is to try and prevent weird rumours from surfacing.
(would also be good to prevent the proliferation of PSI users that are aggressive to us. if they're unaligned/decide to align themselves with us afterward because we're the experts then fair, but if they join other organisations that's going to make opposing them more difficult)

couching things as miracle technology is a pretty neat idea, could be useful for branching out into legit technology later, and if anyone tries to steal our tools/designs then they've wasted a whole deal of effort xD. are you thinking like, ghostbusters style?
would it be possible to lean into more magitech/exotic technology angle? if it's possible to disguise it as science while keeping the marketing as something supernatural, that would be good (to appeal to as many people as possible/still be able to act as experts when there's gygas posession)
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other people disliking corps is sort of awkward, but it's not the sort of thing to argue anyhow. for now i just want to reassure people that forming one wouldn't be the end of the world. no matter what, organisations are just a vector to achieve our goals and that remains true no matter what we pick. goverment bodies/ethical organisations can count as corps, freedom fighters and non-violent societies can count as criminals. this is just how we present ourselves externally so people can fit us into a nice box and freak out less.
 
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We're fighting a secret war. Having a nice and friendly "legitimate" facade to our organization feels like a good idea. And funds are still an issue we need to deal with.
Yep. To be clear, I like the youth league idea because I think focusing on recruiting young people makes sense. Way more likely to listen to us, way less likely to be working for the conspiracy, and generally easier to stay beneath notice. Plus, I like the KND vibe.
 
Here's an argument for making our organization SPORT themed that I haven't seen yet, though I may just have missed it:
Cass Darnel, our GLORIOUS LEADER, has a perk that lowers the DC on non-attacking Martial SPORT actions!
 
To be completely fair, neither Corp nor Criminal organization would have "fight against the genocidal Alien" as their raison d'etre? I mean the difference between them is largely how they approach other human factions, not how they approach the Giygas. What they can do and cannot do against the fellow Citizen (and to what sort of citizen what sort of action could be allowed).
Reason to be for the Corp is "to get a lot of money and become rich and powerful", for the Criminal organization is "to get a lot of money and become rich and powerful by doing crimes", and for this type of Archaic group I proposed it's "to improve Onnet and the Eagle Quarter, through the sport and culture, and for this we do need a lot of money and power I guess"? Neither of them is "to fight Giygas" (for a focus that narrow we would probably need some other archaic organization, like Army), but neither of them would preclude fight against Giygas?

And I was under impression (maybe falsely actually) that we would go for the Corp or the Criminal organization precisely because they are easier to recruit into and it would be easier for them to interact with other orgs than openly declaring that we are to fight against the Alien? Like that's a secret reason, and ideally even secret for Giygas and his agents. Like the Corp or Criminal org would still be partially a cover to hide our anti-Giygas machinations?

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I mean like
Says we are going to show the alien corpse to the Treehouse Boys and tell them "we are going to fight against this secret invasion!", and they are "wow, alright, but how??", and we are "as our first step, we would create a sports&culture association to recruit people and get funds" and they are like "...I guess? But how the aliens are connected to this?"
And if our answer is "as our first step, we would create a medical corporation to recruit people and get funds" it would the the same "...I guess? Wait, medical? I thought you've told us we are to fight against the alien"
And the next answer to both would be "We would fight them covertly, but to get funds and to recruit we would be doing that stuff overtly"
And the Treehouse Boys would be "Overtly and covertly? Wow CD you really know the smart words, such a mellifluous loquacity, we are in"
Okay so I think I explained myself badly there. Also I only just saw your post because my internet is shit at work atm. Or maybe it's my phone IDK.

Before anything else - I'm down with sport themed anything tbh. I just don't think this as an organisation type is well equipped to fight Giygas in comparison to the other options.

now:

Giygas is basically trying to do his invasion along 2 main avenues that we know of.

Firstly, by manipulating the local power structures into something that can be used to indirectly increase control and oppression. See him working with Pirkle and using his leverage to have the Onett Police Force act as a cudgel, making the Shack impenetrable, ect.

Secondly, by just outright killing people directly, regardless of the rules in place. This is done by use of stuff like Possessed objects, alien attackers, or as we saw with Recerd, outright attempting major terrorist actions that can ignite Civil Wars.

Importantly, Giygas' actions are all to be done secretly. It's one of the main advantages we have and why he doesn't just send down an army of Spaceships and starmen.

Corp and Criminal, at their core, have ways to deal with this:

Corp inherently gives us more tools to get leverage over the same power structures to hinder his abilities to manipulate them. Corps are the government here, it's why Pirkle is the Mayor. Its inherent stewardship focus wouldn't just be about accruing funding - taking over other companies would allow for the influencing of significant areas of society that this setting runs on (Do a corporate takeover or startup a News Company? Free Propaganda baby!). Giygas being able to manipulate this allows them to create an environment more conducive to their overall goals, so this might be less direct, but probably helps preventing some things from snowballing.

Criminal gets around it by not having to obey any rules it doesn't want to. It's not as able to directly fight Giygas in the boardroom, but it's more able to intervene on the ground and can more directly sabotage their plans (like openly targeting Pirkles Shit over others in a theft spree, thus hindering their operations. Or, well, the Sign Vandalism). A lot of organisations get their strength through legitimacy, but that inherently comes with having to play by the rules, and we're dealing with an enemy that is fine with straight up ignoring them if forced and able to maintain secrecy, so being able to just go ham if we need to and cut past the red tape gives us a freedom to act we might otherwise lack.

I'm also not saying any group we make should openly be anti-Giygas. Because uh... I don't want to see what happens when his secrecy plan is destroyed. I imagine we'd jump to playing on Nightmare mode fast.

What I'm getting at here is that, entirely devoid of stuff like funding and manpower, the nature of these organisations grants us avenues for opposing Giygas' Shadow-War on Eagle Quarter.


The Sports association can generate funding and would naturally have an influence over the community... but the community isn't the ones making the laws. Corps are. And trying to take direct martial actions would require justification for our actions or attempting to hide them, because a Sports Association breaking into Pirkles House and stealing crucial documents looks really, really bad and hurts the outreach that we're trying to do because people don't want to associate with us.

That's not to say it would be powerless - helping the community would still give us soft power, and it would also arguably be better able to directly help people to deal with the environment Giygas makes. But it's still harder to directly oppose and change that kind of environment because we'd be inherently removed from the levers of power, whilst also needing to worry about taking actions that damage our reputation.

TL;DR, I'm thinking the Sport Association as an Org is hard mode, and uh.

I'm not about that life after we just dodged our Mother dying and causing a Terrorist Attack and a Civil war.

Perfectly fine with doing sports stuff and Community outreach, or even starting a league or cup up as a side thing when we get bigger. I just don't think it should be the center.


Here's an argument for making our organization SPORT themed that I haven't seen yet, though I may just have missed it:
Cass Darnel, our GLORIOUS LEADER, has a perk that lowers the DC on non-attacking Martial SPORT actions!
Non-Combat physical Martial activities.

We're an Athlete not a manager.
 
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