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Blue Steel 2199: Arpeggio of Blue Steel/Space Battleship Yamato 2199 Crossover

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TheBleachDoctor said:
Indeed. The Flame Strike Gun was a weapon developed by Gamilon scientists. Gatlantean tech and ships seems pretty shit, and their only appearance in the movie was their fleet getting owned completely by the Gamilans. Although, their ship designs are interesting.
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Remember that in the 2199 universe, Gatlanteans are technology vultures. They steal everything they use. They only have the Flame strike gun's warp capability because they captured the Garmillas scientists who developed the SMITE technology. This is why I'm leaning towards the Great White Comet being Aquarian technology rather than Gatlantean.
 
TheBleachDoctor said:
Indeed. The Flame Strike Gun was a weapon developed by Gamilon scientists. Gatlantean tech and ships seems pretty shit, and their only appearance in the movie was their fleet getting owned completely by the Gamilans. Although, their ship designs are interesting.
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I have to admit their rapid-fire roundels are pretty interesting, as well as their antimatter torpedoes. They seem to go for volume of fire rather than accuracy. Will be interesting seeing how season 2 pans out, considering we have an intact Gamilas Empire that at the very least has amicable relations with the Yamato. I hope that the opening sequence has Yamato escort a Gamilas convoy carrying reparations and supplies to Earth.
 
Dan809 said:
Remember that in the 2199 universe, Gatlanteans are technology vultures. They steal everything they use. They only have the Flame strike gun's warp capability because they captured the Garmillas scientists who developed the SMITE technology. This is why I'm leaning towards the Great White Comet being Aquarian technology rather than Gatlantean.
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Great White Comet? What was that, again? Also, I thought the Gatlantean warship was going to turn the Flame Strike gun around and fire it backwards. When it simply overloaded and dumped it, I was so disappointed.
skaianDestiny said:
I have to admit their rapid-fire roundels are pretty interesting, as well as their antimatter torpedoes. They seem to go for volume of fire rather than accuracy. Will be interesting seeing how season 2 pans out, considering we have an intact Gamilas Empire that at the very least has amicable relations with the Yamato. I hope that the opening sequence has Yamato escort a Gamilas convoy carrying reparations and supplies to Earth.
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They were Photon torpedoes, haha. I even heard a Star Trek sound effect in the movie.
 
Well, I'm just waiting until XCOM 2 comes out so I can ensure I get the XCOM part of it right... and with this SBY:2199 2 and the movie going on, I'll need even more time.

It's like the world is going bullet timing while I'm stuck at 50km/h!
 
Been marathoning the story, since I finally found some free time to read it, but wanted to comment on this one thing while it's fresh in my mind. I'm noting down things for Kiyone as I read so I can post them in one fell swoop once I've gone through to the latest chapter. Really enjoying what I've read so far though.

skaianDestiny said:
The Gamilas ships are coated with Migobueza anti-beam coating, which comes from Migobuia, their term for the reflection satellites. IIRC it was a thing unique to the Gamilas fleet stationed in the Solar System and was meant to further decrease the effectiveness of Earth's amplified light cannons. It's certainly not powerful enough to shrug off their own positron cannons, nor the shock cannons mounted on the bows of the UN Cosmo Navy or the Yamato.
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[Placed in Spoiler tags as it covers Yamato 2199 plot]

I've not seen any source material saying this is unique to the Pluto base ships ; it's an even-money bet that the majority of the 120+ ships present in that battle were brought in from Balun when Garmillas reconnaissance forces nearer Earth noted the activity in the weeks prior to Operation M (in Episode 6, we don't see the extent of the Pluto base but from what Yamato hits, it's only a fraction of that number of ships, given that only three ships make it out alongside le Chevalier). The Garmillas ships at Pluto are almost certainly stock standard. If nothing else, the Garmillans wouldn't believe they'd have to do anything special for a race that barely has any weapons that can't penetrate their armour; they certainly don't make any exception for the more powerful weapons that Gatlantis ships mount which are capable of damaging Garmillan ships.

The turrets of the Kongo-class, Murasame-class, and Izokaze-class are simply not powerful enough to penetrate the Migobueza coating (as a side-note, I think it's reasonable to assume that Domelaze III has an improved variant of this applied to its bow armour which allows it to even deflect something as powerful as Yamato's converged shock cannon beam, which can one-shot-kill smaller warships). The only weapons in the Earth inventory prior to Yamato launching capable of damaging Garmillas hulls are the axial shock cannons on the Kongo and Murasame classes (which have similar firing restrictions to the wave-motion gun on Yamato, thereby rendering them useless for a naval battle, and certainly for the reason the Operation M fleet is out there for, i.e. buying time for Sheherazade/Amaterasu to make it to Mars), and the torpedoes carried aboard Yukikaze, which were the same torpedo carried on Yamato (see this interview with Yutaka Izubuchi (search for "Torpedo")).

Keep in mind that the decision to name Okita's flagship (which had no name in the original series) Kirishima and name the class the Kongo-class was to make it an analogous comparison to the difference in firepower and capability between their Imperial Japanese Navy namesakes (Kongo being a British pre-WW1 Battlecruiser design that was later up-armoured to a "Fast Battleship").
 
Dan809 said:
The turrets of the Kongo-class, Murasame-class, and Izokaze-class are simply not powerful enough to penetrate the Migobueza coating (as a side-note, I think it's reasonable to assume that Domelaze III has an improved variant of this applied to its bow armour which allows it to even deflect something as powerful as Yamato's converged shock cannon beam, which can one-shot-kill smaller warships). The only weapons in the Earth inventory prior to Yamato launching capable of damaging Garmillas hulls are the axial shock cannons on the Kongo and Murasame classes (which have similar firing restrictions to the wave-motion gun on Yamato, thereby rendering them useless for a naval battle, and certainly for the reason the Operation M fleet is out there for, i.e. buying time for Sheherazade/Amaterasu to make it to Mars), and the torpedoes carried aboard Yukikaze, which were the same torpedo carried on Yamato (see this interview with Yutaka Izubuchi (search for "Torpedo")).
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If you listen (or read) the radio chatter during Operation M you'll hear one of the captains say that their main cannons aren't big enough. Why would they be so surprised that their main weaponry wouldn't be working if they've fought the Gamilons before?
 
skaianDestiny said:
If you listen (or read) the radio chatter during Operation M you'll hear one of the captains say that their main cannons aren't big enough. Why would they be so surprised that their main weaponry wouldn't be working if they've fought the Gamilons before?
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The most likely scenario is that some of them (or possibly even most of them) have never fought a battle against Garmillas. Anyone who had survived the first contact incident in 2191 or the Second Battle of Mars would not be in the least bit surprised by this. Given the nature of the mission, and the fact that they've not told that they're a diversion to keep Sheherazade (Sasha's ship) from being detected or fired upon, it's unlikely that they're going to tell them that their weapons are going to be as effective as a .38 will be against a T80 tank.
 
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Well, in between multiple rewatches this weekend of Episode 14 in order to write my part for the next OSB episode commentary (for which some of it I'm going to have to watch all of Chapters 5 and 6 to put some of the events in context), I managed to completely catch up with the Blue Steel 2199 story to date.

Love the story overall, and really looking forward to see where you take it. Most notably:

- Hijikata's line about them winning the war if they hand Serizawa over to Garmillas.
- Kongo's friendship with Okita is quite heartwarming. Never thought I'd see the day when she would want a captain (not that she does for the same reason Takao covets Gunzuo, admittedly, but still).
- The clever use of mental models, particularly Yukikaze (is she going to be in place of Yuki Mori, or is she going to make an appearance later in the story?) Moreover, is she going to become the SID for Kodai's Zero?
- The Fog remaining to defend Earth in Yamato's absence.
- Iona's sense of humour with the Jaws thing.
- Sasha's survival, and her ongoing role on Earth.
- Yamato/Kotono's role as a diplomat.
- Kongo's hatred for Serizawa boiling. If certain events go according to the 2199 storyline, I'm hoping that she's there when Serizawa gets found out.

Some questions that have arisen from what I've read so far:
- Why skip the incident on Jupiter? Are you planning to have the Wave-motion Gun's first firing at some other point?
- Are there going to be appearances by other noteworthy crew members from 2199, such as Akira Yamamoto, Kaoru Nimii, Melda Dietz, and Saburo Kato?

Lastly, a few things I read in the story that don't correspond to 2199 canon very well or are minor errors:

- Okita's first name is Juuzo (十三), not Jezu.

- Todo is not military in Yamato 2199; he's a government administrator in charge of the Yamato Project. More akin to Defence Minister or a senior Director in the DoD than an Admiral. Not sure whether you were aware of this and were deliberately making him military in the context of your story, but thought you should know in case you didn't.

- A technical matter which just doesn't work given ship specs comes from the following passage:

Kiyone4ever said:
Normally they were carried into their deployment areas by the larger ships. A cruiser could carry one destroyer, while a battleship; like Kirishima, could carry as many as four.
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This just doesn't fit. Literally. Given the ship specs:

Kongo-class (Kirishima): 205m long x 38m/31m wide (engine intake/main hull)
Murasame-class: 152m long x 18.36m wide (main hull)
Isokaze-class (Yukikaze): 80m x 26m/13m (wings/main hull)
Yamato: 333m x 44m beam (main hull at its widest point, not including side hangar sponsons)

Kirishima and the Murasame-class have the vast majority of their space taken up by the engines, the axial shock cannon, and the conduit between the two. The only hangar space that Kirishima has is in the top half of the ship, and can only handle two or three small craft at most. Besides, with the differential between Murasames and Isokazes, the latter could barely fit into a hollowed-out shell of the former.

Even Yamato wouldn't have the capacity to carry even a single example of an Isokaze-class destroyer. Furthermore there's nothing in the show that suggests Isokazes cannot reach Pluto under their own power; in fact, Okita is expecting Yukikaze to withdraw back to Earth with Kirishima.

The only way I could see it working (and not that well) is if they were docked externally or towed. Not sure what that would do with strain on the engine. There's certainly nothing that looks like docking points on Murasames nor Kirishima.

- Operation K-2 refers to the Second Battle of Mars. The attack on Pluto base in Episodes 5 and 6 was Operation M-2 (the Second Battle of Pluto)

- Sheherazade (Amaterasu) had its length revised in the 2199 Design Works: Earth book and is 392 meters long rather than the 219 meters stated on the yamato2199.net website.

In any case, overall it was a great read, especially allowed me to clear my head from the Episode 14 acid trip. Speaking of which, can't wait to see how you handle that episode...
 
Dan809 said:
The clever use of mental models, particularly Yukikaze (is she going to be in place of Yuki Mori, or is she going to make an appearance later in the story?)
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regarding Yukikaze, Yuki Mori, Yurisha and Sasha...

"I... I don't want to be offensive or insensitive, but for God's Sake could you all start wearing nametags or something? You were already hard enough to tell apart before you started sharing clothes for fun!"

". . . yes you can take the nametags off if it's to troll Itou. Just don't overdo it? He's already starting to lose it."
 
Answers to questions and glitches:

The main reason for skipping past Jupiter is that I did not see the events changing significantly at that point. So
I decided to move the first warp and the WMG firing to the perspective of outsiders, (Zordan Stark and Shulz respectively)

Todo: True he is in a civilian role but I feel that Todo is probably a retired Admiral. (A desk admiral but still.)

Okita... Easy fix. I do not know where I got Jezu from.

The docking. I think that was partially based on memories from my childhood of Kodai's plane landing aboard Okita's flagship and he seems to look around, wondering where his brother's ship is. That gave the impression the destroyers were docked internally. I can see your points easily Nothing irreparable.

The length of Sasha's ship is easily adjusted.

Nagato... She is stuck in a political role. She would love to get out into space but the Fog is as much a political entity as Japan or the US in this timeline. Maybe in Yamato 2?


Yukikaze... If the original '74 version is in many ways Susumu Kodai's journey, then Yukikaze is on her own journey of discovery and evolution here. It won't be a short or easy ride, but I expect it to be big.

Kongo and Serizawa... You KNOW that when it hits the fan, Kongo will deal with Serizawa. It will be both permanent and creative.

Melda, Akira, et al... Yes! They will all have their moments and the Melda-Akira relationship may just teach Yukikaze a few things along the way.
 
Kiyone4ever said:
Answers to questions and glitches:

The main reason for skipping past Jupiter is that I did not see the events changing significantly at that point. So
I decided to move the first warp and the WMG firing to the perspective of outsiders, (Zordan Stark and Shulz respectively)

Todo: True he is in a civilian role but I feel that Todo is probably a retired Admiral. (A desk admiral but still.)

Okita... Easy fix. I do not know where I got Jezu from.

The docking. I think that was partially based on memories from my childhood of Kodai's plane landing aboard Okita's flagship and he seems to look around, wondering where his brother's ship is. That gave the impression the destroyers were docked internally. I can see your points easily Nothing irreparable.

The length of Sasha's ship is easily adjusted.

Nagato... She is stuck in a political role. She would love to get out into space but the Fog is as much a political entity as Japan or the US in this timeline. Maybe in Yamato 2?


Yukikaze... If the original '74 version is in many ways Susumu Kodai's journey, then Yukikaze is on her own journey of discovery and evolution here. It won't be a short or easy ride, but I expect it to be big.

Kongo and Serizawa... You KNOW that when it hits the fan, Kongo will deal with Serizawa. It will be both permanent and creative.

Melda, Akira, et al... Yes! They will all have their moments and the Melda-Akira relationship may just teach Yukikaze a few things along the way.
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Hmm. As Akira/Melda has been my guilty pleasure ship ever since the first time I saw Episode 10 (during which my friend said during the fight scene, 'and a thousand doujin were born'), I'm really looking forward to seeing how you handle them. Especially since I've never seen a pairing with so much merch support despite one of them being clearly hung up on someone else right through the last episode. That said, now that Akira's accepted she's lost Kodai to Yuki, there's nothing stopping the possibility.

I did have an idea of a post-Series 1 / pre-series 2 bridging fic some time ago, which saw Melda come to Earth as Yurisha's bodyguard on a journey to deliver rebuilding materials and equipment as part of war reparations / formal apology by Hyss on behalf of the government. Sometime in the 2200-2202 era (I am in the camp that the original 2201 is far too early for Yamato 2/Comet Empire to be set as it would take considerable time to rebuild Earth [assuming CRS doesn't restore cities and infrastructure], but equally important to build the fleet we see in that series, given a one-year benchmark for building Yamato. The story idea included them attending the one-year anniversary of Okita's passing on Heroes' Hill, followed by Yuki's and Kodai's nuptials (I thought they took far too long to do anything in the original series, and now that 2199 broke that in the last episode, I see no reason for them not to be at least engaged, if not married, prior to the Gatlantis threat to Earth emerging).

One of the side thoughts was Yuki having a bachelorette party and our intrepid Garmillan pilot having a hard time with Terron liquor.

The only thing really stopping me from writing it (and another fic which is pure parody about the three Yamato/Star Blazers ships meeting each other) is the stuff I'm writing at the moment for OSB.com. Which I'm now hoping to get finished before the next series starts releasing any details.

skaianDestiny said:
Anyway, I did complete the prologue and chapter 1 of my SBY fic, but it's on hiatus while I work on my other one. Should I go ahead and post it anyway? Kiyone thinks so.
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I agree with Kiyone. Go right ahead and post it.

maes said:
regarding Yukikaze, Yuki Mori, Yurisha and Sasha...

"I... I don't want to be offensive or insensitive, but for God's Sake could you all start wearing nametags or something? You were already hard enough to tell apart before you started sharing clothes for fun!"

". . . yes you can take the nametags off if it's to troll Itou. Just don't overdo it? He's already starting to lose it."
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I love this. If only there was some way of including it in the story... I think Itou is just lucky he's not in an Evangelion fic, such as the hilarious Nobody Dies...
 
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Dan809 said:
One of the side thoughts was Yuki having a bachelorette party and our intrepid Garmillan pilot having a hard time with Terron liquor.
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Liquor? Try sweets! Only thing she's been exposed to was half-decent ice cream. :p

Or, since it's a bachelorette party, strippers.

cue jawdrop and luminescent blush from both Yurisha and Melda.

Dan809 said:
I love this. If only there was some way of including it in the story... I think Itou is just lucky he's not in an Evangelion fic, such as the hilarious Nobody Dies...
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No worries, the ladies will get multiple copies of each nametag for extra trolling.

"Y'know? When i mentioned nametags, all of you wearing the same one wasn't what I had in mind. Still, congrats on making him neurotic."
 
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maes said:
Liquor? Try sweets! Only thing she's been exposed to was half-decent ice cream. :p

Or, since it's a bachelorette party, strippers.

cue jawdrop and luminescent blush from both Yurisha and Melda.



No worries, the ladies will get multiple copies of each nametag for extra trolling.

"Y'know? When i mentioned nametags, all of you wearing the same one wasn't what I had in mind. Still, congrats on making him neurotic."
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Eager to see Cruz Herder call him into his office. "Itou... I hear you've been under a lot of stress lately. You need some time off."
 
maes said:
Liquor? Try sweets! Only thing she's been exposed to was half-decent ice cream. :p

Or, since it's a bachelorette party, strippers.

cue jawdrop and luminescent blush from both Yurisha and Melda.
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I dunno... I don't see that happening from those two unless the strippers are female...



maes said:
No worries, the ladies will get multiple copies of each nametag for extra trolling.

"Y'know? When i mentioned nametags, all of you wearing the same one wasn't what I had in mind. Still, congrats on making him neurotic."
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That. Exactly that. Would certainly throw a spanner in the works of any plans Serizawa had...
 
maes said:
Or, since it's a bachelorette party, strippers.

cue jawdrop and luminescent blush from both Yurisha and Melda.
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"I knew it! You Terrons are no better than those Gatlantean barbarians! Such crude and lewd entertainment in front of a Princess of Iskandar!"

"Yet you're blushing Melda! And neither of us can look away! And those muscles..."

"It's the alcohol! It's far too rough and crude! I swear! stupid sexy terrons"
 
Dan809 said:
I dunno... I don't see that happening from those two unless the strippers are female...
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They both seem rather... sheltered, shall we say. :p

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"Yet you're blushing Melda! And neither of us can look away! And those muscles..."
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"Why exactly were we killing them again?"

"Gamilon men feeling inadequate?"

". . . seems legit. I still can't believe that this is a Law Enforcement agent. What did they call the other one with the large... *cough*... a fireman?"


edit: just realized, Yukikaze being a Mental Model and all, she can probably already run multiple bodies by herself to start with. Makes the mess even more spectacular. :rofl:
 
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Dan809 said:
The only thing really stopping me from writing it (and another fic which is pure parody about the three Yamato/Star Blazers ships meeting each other) is the stuff I'm writing at the moment for OSB.com. Which I'm now hoping to get finished before the next series starts releasing any details.
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You know, I was thinking of an alternate story path for Star Blazers Rebirth where to combat the Black Hole, the Argo draws upon the power of every single version of the Yamato ever made.

The original Yamato, the 2199 Yamato, the 2520 Yamato, the Great Yamato, and the Dai Yamato Zero-go. All versions of the Yamato then fire off the ultimate Wave Motion Gun barrage, destroying the Black Hole. Very much like that one ST episode with the past, present, and future version of the Enterprise.

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Come on, it sounded better in my head!
 
skaianDestiny said:
You know, I was thinking of an alternate story path for Star Blazers Rebirth where to combat the Black Hole, the Argo draws upon the power of every single version of the Yamato ever made.

The original Yamato, the 2199 Yamato, the 2520 Yamato, the Great Yamato, and the Dai Yamato Zero-go. All versions of the Yamato then fire off the ultimate Wave Motion Gun barrage, destroying the Black Hole. Very much like that one ST episode with the past, present, and future version of the Enterprise.

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Come on, it sounded better in my head!
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I remember that episode. It was the 2 part series finale of TNG... Much preferred 'Yesterday's Enterprise' myself... But in your alternate, was Supreme Flagship Yamato or even Kantai Kancolle Yamato included?
 
skaianDestiny said:
The original Yamato, the 2199 Yamato, the 2520 Yamato, the Great Yamato, and the Dai Yamato Zero-go. All versions of the Yamato then fire off the ultimate Wave Motion Gun barrage, destroying the Black Hole. Very much like that one ST episode with the past, present, and future version of the Enterprise.

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Come on, it sounded better in my head!
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You know, I'm kind of tempted to ask Tim what he thinks of such a concept.
 
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