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Blue Steel 2199: Arpeggio of Blue Steel/Space Battleship Yamato 2199 Crossover

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Kiyone4ever said:
Probably that Serizawa triggered the war in the first place through his xenophobic reaction.
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Something like that.

Again, I've not seen the updated version - it is on my list - and the original, which I saw during its original U.S. brodcast, is something of a dim memory at this point. So my only exposure to Serizawa has been in this story, and I'm a bit confused as to his 'plan'. o_O
 
The Izumo Plan is essentially the "Escape Pod" plan. Find another planet. Leave Earth. Live there.
 
The Bushranger said:
A little late, perhaps, but I personally prefer Kirishima as Kirishima, and not as a bear.

Although I admit a fondness for Leeroy Jenkins - er, I mean Ashigara.



Carnival dayo!
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With Kirishima you get two for the price of one: Full sized Kirishima and Chibi Kirishima in the bear suit... and to get really confusing, the surviving Flagship of Japanese Cosmo Navy forces is ALSO Kirishima.
 
ToothMaker said:
Something like that.

Again, I've not seen the updated version - it is on my list - and the original, which I saw during its original U.S. brodcast, is something of a dim memory at this point. So my only exposure to Serizawa has been in this story, and I'm a bit confused as to his 'plan'. o_O
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I too remember getting home after school and turning on I believe it was channel 25 WXNE out of Boston and ignoring the snow in the picture to watch the awesomeness of Starblazers. In the US episodes, Serizawa was called General Stone and he was a mere nuisance in the opening episodes of the second season arc but nothing like his 2199 version, where he is a full blown menace and; in fact, a war criminal.
 
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Chapter 13
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    • Blue Steel 2199: Part 13


    "Baka!" Makie Osakabe swore as she came back to the quarters assigned to the members of Blue Steel.


    "What's wrong Makie?" Kirishima asked as Yotaro walked in behind Makie with her arms crossed.


    Makie sighed as Yotaro explained.


    "Makie just found out that Defense Command won't authorize Vibration warheads because they're still classed as 'experimental weapons' and need more testing!"


    "What?" Iori asked as she reached for a cracker. "But what about all the testing done in Japan and in America in our time?"


    "They can't find the records…." Makie growled as Yotaro gently patted her back.


    "They… What?"


    "That's ridiculous!" Kirishima swore, secretly wondering once again if ordinary human beings were not; in fact, pre programmed to self destruction on some collective level.


    "It's not all bad." Yotaro pointed out. "Yamato has already called for the Fog Fleet to adopt Vibration warheads. That includes Yukikaze."


    Makie sighed. THAT was true. But she just couldn't get past the oh so patronizing tones as Captain Ichikage so politely and patiently explained the weapons development board's decision.


    "Turn on the news!" Shizuka cried out as she hurried into the living room "Something just happened in the market district!"


    "An enemy attack?" Kirishima asked. Haruna instinctively moved closer to Makie.


    "I don't know!" Shizuka answered as Takao turned on the news broadcast.


    "This just confirmed by Defense Command… At least one person is dead in an apparent terror bombing in the market district. Several more injuries, including two critical injuries have been reported. First responders say the number of deaths and injuries would have been much higher had it not been for the quick reactions of Repulse of the FoF. More details as they become available…"
     
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    • Terrace said:
    I just know Serizawa is behind this somehow...
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    Behind both events, most likely. Something tells me that U-2501 will somehow have vibration warheads.

    Seriously, at least TIM was affably evil and knew how to have some fun. Seriwaza is just a dick.

    Kiyone4ever said:
    "This just confirmed by Defense Command… At least one person is dead in an apparent terror bombing in the market district. Several more injuries, including two critical injuries have been reported. First responders say the number of deaths and injuries would have been much higher had it not been for the quick reactions of Repulse of the FoF. More details as they become available…"
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    Hm, so either Repulse was shopping or over the previous decades she became a first responder herself. (or would that be hospital ship?)

    Depending on how much Mental Models have integrated with society as a whole, I'm a bit surprised she would have been referred to as "Repulse of the FoF" if it was the mental model present and not the ship itself, instead of, say, something like 'Repulse Fogborn'.
    Of course, that's putting a distinction between Mental Model and Ship that the Fog themselves might not perceive as such.
    Still, there has to be a better way to distinguish between the mental model and ship-form in conversation.
     
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    maes said:
    Behind both events, most likely. Something tells me that U-2501 will somehow have vibration warheads.

    Seriously, at least TIM was affably evil and knew how to have some fun. Seriwaza is just a dick.




    Hm, so either Repulse was shopping or over the previous decades she became a first responder herself. (or would that be hospital ship?)

    Depending on how much Mental Models have integrated with society as a whole, I'm a bit surprised she would have been referred to as "Repulse of the FoF" if it was the mental model present and not the ship itself, instead of, say, something like 'Repulse Fogborn'.
    Of course, that's putting a distinction between Mental Model and Ship that the Fog themselves might not perceive as such.
    Still, there has to be a better way to distinguish between the mental model and ship-form in conversation.
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    Repulse is a special case like Iona and Takao. She was actually IN the vehicle with Yuki, Yurisha, and the driver, who was killed. Still, you have a point that those MM that have been operating for all these years would have a different way of identifying, Such as Lady Nagato. FoF in this case is like a reporter would say "An American Serviceman" or UNCF member...
     
    Just thought of something.

    One of Zordan's big themes is how there's no hope left in a human world. I could see him being behind the Izumo plan 100%.
     
    The problem with the Izumo Plan is that, while it's meant to be an 'escape pod' for the best and brightest of humanity, human nature means that the Izumo Plan supporters will inevitably make sure they will be listed among those best and brightest. Their own bias will unfairly skew the selection process and screw over the evacuees in the long run.

    Edit: Actually that's just ONE problem among many, but it's one I haven't seen brought up before.
     
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    Zordan's mission will be to follow Yamato and if necessary, assist Izumo plan supporters in taking over the ship. He is also to keep his eyes open for viable planets to settle.
     
    Terrace said:
    The problem with the Izumo Plan is that, while it's meant to be an 'escape pod' for the best and brightest of humanity, human nature means that the Izumo Plan supporters will inevitably make sure they will be listed among those best and brightest. Their own bias will unfairly skew the selection process and screw over the evacuees in the long run.

    Edit: Actually that's just ONE problem among many, but it's one I haven't seen brought up before.
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    This reminds me of a book I read a few years ago - regretfully, I can't remember the name or author - one subplot is about the rushed planning for a support ship to be sent to Mars after an earlier mission makes a bunch of important discoveries.

    Naturally, every scientist on Earth is clamoring to get a seat, leading one character to acidly remark that they already have a bunch of brilliant scientists on site, but the brilliant geologist is spending all his time using a scratch-built kiln to make bricks for a permanent shelter, the brilliant biochemist is spending all her time running the crew's blood samples, and etc.... So what they really need to send are builders and nurses so the people already there can concentrate on being scientists.
     
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    Both series being made in Japan this question might be a bit silly, but doesn't it seem a bit too.... japan-centric with all those plans that affect the world at large?

    ( Izumo Plan? )

    At least thats something that always bothered me a bit about SBY. We see the other nations helping with the power requirements to start the wavemotion core of the yamato but not much else.

    It would just be nice to maybe further flesh out what other parts of the world are doing, just a few breadcrumbs to make it not look like only japan is doing anything meaningful.

    I also hope they won't drag Makie on their trip to Iscandar, it just seems a bit strange to take a child on such a dangerous journey.
    Considering the time that has passed there should be other qualified personal, designer children that grew to adulthood and similiar expertise.
     
    ... I think it's kinda implied that Makie doesn't physically age.
    and anyway, they may want her along because having a strait-up supergenius polyglot is a very good ace to have.
    and the Yamato needs every edge they can get their hands on.
     
    Quick question: would anyone appreciate some writing about Gamilas warships?

    Anyway, some SBY 2199 news:

    ourstarblazers.com has released a plot synopsis of Ark of the Stars. View at your own risk!
    http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/941/

    And here's an interview with director Yutaka Izubuchi about Ark of the Stars.
    http://ourstarblazers.com/vault/938/

    So Gamilas is Space!WWII while Gatlantis is Space!Middle Ages.

    Dizzy said:
    Both series being made in Japan this question might be a bit silly, but doesn't it seem a bit too.... japan-centric with all those plans that affect the world at large?

    At least thats something that always bothered me a bit about SBY. We see the other nations helping with the power requirements to start the wavemotion core of the yamato but not much else.

    It would just be nice to maybe further flesh out what other parts of the world are doing, just a few breadcrumbs to make it not look like only japan is doing anything meaningful.
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    I like the headcanon that the nations of the UN Cosmo Navy take turns being the "leader" and each country was creating their own "Yamato", for example the US is making the Arizona, Great Britain the Hood, Germany the Bismarck, etc. It just turned out the year Sasha would arrive was Japan's year, so they would be the ones to receive the Wave Motion Core. In return for the prestige of launching the ship that would save the Earth, Japan had to sacrifice the remains of their navy at Operation M. The rest of the navies will coordinate the defense of Earth.
     
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    The biggest and obvious hole in both the Izumo and Yamato plans is that the Gamilans won't just happily sit around and let Earth do these things. The Izumo plan is rendered essentially pointless by the galaxy-spanning reach of the Gamilas Empire, there's simply nowhere that you could practically reach they wouldn't be able to follow you to.(Extra-true for warp-lacking Earth) The Yamato plan doesn't involve moving, but to my knowledge Iscandar never presented the fact that their aid would protect Earth from Gamilan retaliation.

    Serizawa and his conspirators are guilty of all sorts of things, but I don't believe war crimes are one of them. Seditous conspiracy, terrorism, a variety of criminal acts like murder, espionage, etc., yes, but I don't believe anything they did violates the laws of war. Violations of good sense by shooting first yes, but Serizawa can't really be considered to have acted with the intent to conquer the Gamilans, just the intent to attack first in a defensive war.
     
    DeltaV11.2 said:
    The biggest and obvious hole in both the Izumo and Yamato plans is that the Gamilans won't just happily sit around and let Earth do these things. The Izumo plan is rendered essentially pointless by the galaxy-spanning reach of the Gamilas Empire, there's simply nowhere that you could practically reach they wouldn't be able to follow you to.(Extra-true for warp-lacking Earth) The Yamato plan doesn't involve moving, but to my knowledge Iscandar never presented the fact that their aid would protect Earth from Gamilan retaliation.

    Serizawa and his conspirators are guilty of all sorts of things, but I don't believe war crimes are one of them. Seditous conspiracy, terrorism, a variety of criminal acts like murder, espionage, etc., yes, but I don't believe anything they did violates the laws of war. Violations of good sense by shooting first yes, but Serizawa can't really be considered to have acted with the intent to conquer the Gamilans, just the intent to attack first in a defensive war.
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    The question of War Crimes is subjective. Whatever rules Earth has, the Gamilas would undoubtedly have a different view.
     
    Before they even said anything, too. It is one thing to respond to "Surrender!" with "Nuts!"and bullets, quite another to shoot without any provocation whatsoever.
     
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