Building the temple will make the Atumites jealous, barring a suitable investment in them to match.
Blood of the Gods: A Fantasy CKII Quest
- Thread starter Cavalier
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- Original Fantasy
RedV
Refuelling
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- Right here
Why?
Didn't we just establish our network of informants in palace? If we take actions to investigate members of council and reveal their scandals, we can sideline them at court and then use the huge Hathor crit we got to present ourselves as the best option for the masses.
The Intrigue path seems pretty doable, and our mom should be able to support us in covert activities.
It is more important we are certain we can retain the loyalty of the army and its commander during the transition. The ideal time to remove us if they can convince the people we did something awful to "end" the Regency before we were ready. The army would prevent that or (probably) intrigue.
Frankly, a transition is "expected" and we are strong enough at Diplomacy that simply asking for it once we've shown we are prepared for it should be more than sufficient for the task at hand. I'm more worried about making sure we have secure the physical aspects of power as the spiritual/political are basically "won" by default.
Yeah, there's no particular hurry if they aren't fucking it up.
force200
Megaspell Technician
- Location
- Stable <data corrupted>
We just need to make sure that noone's going to pull a Littlefinger on us. When you play the game, there are only two outcomes...
At least from the information presented, our 'informant' is a single maid. We might expand that to an actual network, but that's a question for @Cavalier.
Sure, that's possible, but how realistic is it really? Yes, we're good at Intrigue (current stat is 18), but are we on the same level as Ptahshepses? More to the point, are we capable of defeating (undermining, outmaneuvering, etc.) everyone else's network of informants that were established in the palace long before we came on the scene? Because I guarantee you: here in the palace of Kemet, as in every other corridor of power, there will be powerful movers and shakers who are working behind the scenes. GRR Martin didn't just make up Varys and Pycelle and Littlefinger -- those characters were modeled after people who lived in the real world.
Generally speaking, the Intrigue option would be valid if we were surrounded by enemies and could not claim the throne in any other way. The problem with an Intrigue start to our reign, would be a combination of (1) the low chance of success due to much more established rivals and (2) the sheer volume of enemies we would make with such an approach. Every official we sidelined due to scandal, would be at best a reluctant ally and would look for ways to weaken or undermine our power. That's not a healthy or stable path to power.
The masses don't vote. The officials do. It's entirely possible for us to be loved by the masses, but wind up a powerless figurehead puppeted by those behind-the-scenes movers and shakers.
The exception is if we're talking about the 'masses' of priests, who do have legitimate power within Kemet and would be able to ensure our rise to power. But that's the Osiris option of Piety, not the Set option of Intrigue.
I'm pretty sure "waiting it out" means "training, increasing our competence, and making allies of the Council so they'll hand us the reigns of power on a normal timetable." AKA, "convince the Council."
So if nothing else, the SV-typical path of meta-gaming and self-improvement would lead us naturally to pick the 'Ra' option. Which happens to be my preference anyway.
- Location
- in the trash
A well executed coup by us should cause little to no instability. What you are describing is the result of civil war.
We are still the legitimate heir. It is thus entirely possible for us to pass off any coup as a peaceful transfer of power to us if we play our cards right.
Uh, I don't really see what you're getting at here. We are going to have enemies no matter what we do. And the people who have been sidelined will be sidelined. The sensible thing to do would be to strip them of power as soon as possible once we're on the throne, not conscript them as reluctant allies.
We certainly don't have to make a ton of enemies to usurp the throne. We just need to gather allies and plot to remove a few key people--i.e. the regency council members. And not even all of them, if we can persuade some of them to take our side.
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- Location
- Southern Virginia
Okay, I nodded off early last night before making it official. Voting is now open.
Naw, waiting it out just means the regency ends by dint of our reaching our majority. And/or getting married.
[X] Plan Making a Holy Splash
-[X] Study the sacred rites of a god (Write-in; can be taken multiple times)
--[X] Hathor
-[X] Build a temple to Hathor's cow and institute new rites [-20 Royal Authority, 2000 s. deben, 4 talents]
-[X] Patronize the temples of a god [1000 s. deben, 2 talents] (Write-in; can be taken multiple times)
--[X] Atum
-[X] Choose a mentor (write-in)
Okay, as mentioned previous, our chance to make a big splash, by doing something big in our name, without pissing off the Atumites, basically by spending twice as much money so they can get their expansions too. Good for future authority, and helps along our reputation for being divinely blessed for the commoners.
-[X] Study the sacred rites of a god (Write-in; can be taken multiple times)
--[X] Hathor
-[X] Build a temple to Hathor's cow and institute new rites [-20 Royal Authority, 2000 s. deben, 4 talents]
-[X] Patronize the temples of a god [1000 s. deben, 2 talents] (Write-in; can be taken multiple times)
--[X] Atum
-[X] Choose a mentor (write-in)
Okay, as mentioned previous, our chance to make a big splash, by doing something big in our name, without pissing off the Atumites, basically by spending twice as much money so they can get their expansions too. Good for future authority, and helps along our reputation for being divinely blessed for the commoners.
[X] Plan Making a Holy Splash
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I'm a little uncertain about some things. I mean, we're how old again? If we do want to go with the other half...I mean, Hathor's just half of what we picked, we really do need to start training with a bow to at least be able to vaguely fulfill the duties of a military leader if we're forced to. It kinda goes along with what we chose. Not sure, though. Just seems surprisingly focused.
We do, but the opportunity is rare(it's basically pure luck that we're in position to capitalize on it really), it will cause offense and we need to paper over the offense WHILE taking advantage.
Basically, taking a year off other focuses to do this is the kind of thing we could only really pull off during the Regency, when responsibilities don't have us by the neck
RedV
Refuelling
- Location
- Right here
Making a Holy Splash is not my preferred thing because it focuses the last few turns of stat raises on Piety, where we are safely mediocre instead of trying to get us to be truly exceptional somewhere.
Cavalier said if we play it well we can get to multiple 20+ stats, and I do want to get that. Diplomacy and Martial, the two faces of Hathor Sekhmet at that level of hypercompetwnce would be awesome.
We should spend time learning to make that chariot usable in combat, not just as a prop to ride on. The bow is a weapon and is most likely to get us to some Martial raise and gives us battlefield control. I would very much like that, then we can focus on the Diplomatic side of stuff too.
Cavalier said if we play it well we can get to multiple 20+ stats, and I do want to get that. Diplomacy and Martial, the two faces of Hathor Sekhmet at that level of hypercompetwnce would be awesome.
We should spend time learning to make that chariot usable in combat, not just as a prop to ride on. The bow is a weapon and is most likely to get us to some Martial raise and gives us battlefield control. I would very much like that, then we can focus on the Diplomatic side of stuff too.
[X] Plan Ra, Rebalanced
(Reasoning: my preferred path to 'end the Regency' is by persuading the Royal Council. This means increased our competence and our Authority, while appeasing the various factions that surround us).
Osiris
[X] Build a temple to Hathor's cow and institute new rites [-20 Royal Authority, 2000 s. deben, 4 talents]
(Reasoning: building Hathor's temple will generate long-term Authority for ourselves. It may cause issues with the priestly caste (depending on the roll), but we can certainly appease them in other ways in future turns).
Isis
Set
[X] Investigate a character (Khui) [Satysis]
[X] Investigate a character (Meryawy) [Ma'atneferure]
(Reasoning: ask our mother and our tutor to investigate those around us. Satysis has a better Intrigue stat, so we ask her to look into the ambitious (potentially treasonous) general. Ma'atneferure specializes in palace gossip, so we ask her to check if there's any rumors floating around about our royal tutor, so see if he's as trustworthy as we believe him to be).
Hathor-Sekhmet
[X] Learn to use the compound bow with Ramessu
[X] Spend time with your friends outside court
(Reasoning: we don't have the Authority to continue our chariot training, but developing our Martial abilities is vital for our future as Pharaoh. Let's pick up the compound bow. I added the 'spend time with friends' action (replacing Ra > 'hear petitions'), per reasoning here. TL,DR: we need to cultivate courtiers and officials we can trust, and our three friends are perfectly suited to fill those roles).
Ptah
[X] Choose a mentor (To Be Determined)
(Reasoning: there's basically a consensus to select our Mentor this turn, though there's quite a bit of disagreement over who. At the moment, the chief eunuch Ptahshepses and our royal tutor Meryawy are leading the pack of candidates, but our choice will be decided in a later vote).
CHANGELOG:
(Reasoning: my preferred path to 'end the Regency' is by persuading the Royal Council. This means increased our competence and our Authority, while appeasing the various factions that surround us).
Osiris
[X] Perform New Year Rites to Bless the Flood (Meritamun)
[X] Complete the Tomb of Ameneheb II [3000 s. deben and 4 talents, for 3-4 years] (Ptahshepses)
[X] Build a new temple to the Apis-Bull [2000 s. deben, 4 talents] (Atumnemhat)
[X] Complete the Tomb of Ameneheb II [3000 s. deben and 4 talents, for 3-4 years] (Ptahshepses)
[X] Build a new temple to the Apis-Bull [2000 s. deben, 4 talents] (Atumnemhat)
(Reasoning: building Hathor's temple will generate long-term Authority for ourselves. It may cause issues with the priestly caste (depending on the roll), but we can certainly appease them in other ways in future turns).
Isis
[X] Finish repairs to the irrigation canal system [1000 s. deben] (Heranamenpanaef)
[X] Re-staff the Granaries Inspectorate [300 s. deben, one year] (Sennefer)
[X] Buy/Sell Wheat [Sell 6000 s. deben] (Ipy)
[X] Re-staff the Granaries Inspectorate [300 s. deben, one year] (Sennefer)
[X] Buy/Sell Wheat [Sell 6000 s. deben] (Ipy)
Set
[X] Investigate a character (Khui) [Satysis]
[X] Investigate a character (Meryawy) [Ma'atneferure]
(Reasoning: ask our mother and our tutor to investigate those around us. Satysis has a better Intrigue stat, so we ask her to look into the ambitious (potentially treasonous) general. Ma'atneferure specializes in palace gossip, so we ask her to check if there's any rumors floating around about our royal tutor, so see if he's as trustworthy as we believe him to be).
Hathor-Sekhmet
[X] Learn to use the compound bow with Ramessu
[X] Spend time with your friends outside court
(Reasoning: we don't have the Authority to continue our chariot training, but developing our Martial abilities is vital for our future as Pharaoh. Let's pick up the compound bow. I added the 'spend time with friends' action (replacing Ra > 'hear petitions'), per reasoning here. TL,DR: we need to cultivate courtiers and officials we can trust, and our three friends are perfectly suited to fill those roles).
Ptah
[X] Choose a mentor (To Be Determined)
(Reasoning: there's basically a consensus to select our Mentor this turn, though there's quite a bit of disagreement over who. At the moment, the chief eunuch Ptahshepses and our royal tutor Meryawy are leading the pack of candidates, but our choice will be decided in a later vote).
CHANGELOG:
- Replaced 'Hear petitions in court' with 'Spend time with Friends'
- Added 'Investigate' actions for our mother Satysis and our tutor Ma'atneferure
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
I agree with Red that we need heavier martial focus. Haven't really had time but I'll tentatively go
[X] Plan Ra, Rebalanced
[X] Plan Ra, Rebalanced
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My original one (which had us visit the Garden of Ptah for our fourth action)?
Or the 'Ra Rebalanced' plan I just posted (which has us hearing petitions at court)?
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
- Location
- Across the Horizon
Hmm. Probably rebalanced? I mean I like visiting Ptah but petitions are also important. Hmm...
