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Bleach: Derailed

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[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Train with her once a week.

We are dead. We do not need to rush this. In fact, from one perspective, it's healthier if we don't rush this, for us at least. If Karin comes to terms with seeing ghosts then she'll be fine if we show up all spooky after they're done grieving, and she'll be able to help Yuzu too. Ultimately, we don't know what the best option is, but I feel like the Academy classes are gonna keep us alive (for a given value of living). We're not getting trained by Kisuke Urahara and Yoruichi Shihoin this time, in all likelihood, and that means that we need to build up our zanjutsu and shunpo skills the hard way as opposed to the fast but obscenely hard way.
 
Hm. Soul Society is pretty bureaucratic... maybe the shikai training excuse won't fly. At least not enough to stop us from getting labeled as a flake.

[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Train with her once a week.
 
gman391 said:
Sure. Because that won't backfire at all.
"Okay so who wants the cocky asshole who never went to class, and just went to exams?"
"1,2,3 NOT IT!"

Even if we don't fail out of the academy, it's still going to be a mark. In particular I don't see why the 13th would offer us a position (which given their job of protecting Karakura is something we'd want)
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I mean, if he goes off for two weeks and comes back with shikai, then still manages to recover from skipping in at least the medium term, he's not going to be "the cocky asshole" he's going to be someone who knew exactly when going to class was the right use of his time and when it wasn't. Frankly that sort of character judgement on what people actually ditch class for is going to be exactly why it's an option in the first place.

z3r0gamer said:
We are dead. We do not need to rush this.
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We don't NEED to rush this but the very first vote in the quest was that we were going to rush this.
 
I thought we were aiming to graduate in a year. That means being able to graduate, for one thing, and again, we really really need Shunpo training because we're probably not going to be lucky enough to have lessons from the Goddess of Flash practically fall into our laps.
 
z3r0gamer said:
I thought we were aiming to graduate in a year. That means being able to graduate, for one thing, and again, we really really need Shunpo training because we're probably not going to be lucky enough to have lessons from the Goddess of Flash practically fall into our laps.
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What do you mean with the able to graduate part? That Kukaku's training is dangerous?

And we're not skipping the Hoho classes completely, just for however long the fast option takes.
 
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Derek58 said:
Easily solved by Ichigo including something in the message that only he would know.

You're deliberately misrepresenting what I'm saying here.

I'm not saying never go to class, I'm saying that we can skip some class without it terribly affecting our chances. Especially if it's to hit the first big milestone in a Shinigami's advancement with their Zanpakuto.
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I can think of at least two ways that sort of thing would go wrong. But operating on the assumption they won't. Would that really change Ichigo's drive to see them? I don't think so because long distance is never as good as in person. (Also you can't beat people up through a hell butterfly)


And I'm saying that just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. Leaving aside that we don't know how long it will take to get Shikai. (Basically all of Ichigo's early accelerated growth were because Kisuke is a mad genius) Just because it won't be that bad, doesn't mean it won't be bad enough to cause us unnecessary problems down the line.

Like what if because Ichigo shows his potential he gets offered a lot of front line combat missions instead of chances to go to the human world? It makes sense given his ability, but it's not what Ichigo wants. We're gambling for...no real reason that I can see.

reignonyrparade said:
I mean, if he goes off for two weeks and comes back with shikai, then still manages to recover from skipping in at least the medium term, he's not going to be "the cocky asshole" he's going to be someone who knew exactly when going to class was the right use of his time and when it wasn't. Frankly that sort of character judgement on what people actually ditch class for is going to be exactly why it's an option in the first place.
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Alternatively it means people will call him an arrogant asshole, or a lucky one. People aren't obligated to assume the best of Ichigo, and he's not real great on correcting those assumptions without massive amounts of bodily trauma.

Again, assuming it will all work out because reasons, doesn't seem justified. I mean like what if someone like I dunno Byukyu gets sent to come find Ichigo. (Not powerlevels, just in general 'fuck you, I'm following the LAW, attitude) Which leads to Central 46 finding out about Isshin?
 
I mean if we were in the stage of our Kido classes where we were just doing repetition ad infinitum, if we had learned the fundamentals of Hoho beyond glorified dodgeball, and if we'd actually progressed beyond "stick pointy end into Hollow" in Zanjutsu, we could totally skip classes, but skipping right now means we miss the fundamentals of four classes that we have next to nothing in: Kaido, Bakudo, Hado, and Hoho. Zanjutsu is going to be intuitive for us and we already know karate from when we were alive, so Hakuda and Zanjutsu don't worry me, but don't we need at least four good classes to graduate? Maybe more? If we haven't got it after we've nailed down the basics of at least two of the new subjects I'll vote we dedicate ourselves to Shikai training, but I don't think missing the basic lessons will do us favors later on.
 
[x] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[x] Stay with her until it works.

If we vote 'once a week', it just isn't going to work until we get frustrated and stop taking breaks. We're Ichigo, yo.
 
gman391 said:
I can think of at least two ways that sort of thing would go wrong. But operating on the assumption they won't. Would that really change Ichigo's drive to see them? I don't think so because long distance is never as good as in person. (Also you can't beat people up through a hell butterfly)

And I'm saying that just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. Leaving aside that we don't know how long it will take to get Shikai. (Basically all of Ichigo's early accelerated growth were because Kisuke is a mad genius) Just because it won't be that bad, doesn't mean it won't be bad enough to cause us unnecessary problems down the line.

Like what if because Ichigo shows his potential he gets offered a lot of front line combat missions instead of chances to go to the human world? It makes sense given his ability, but it's not what Ichigo wants. We're gambling for...no real reason that I can see.
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...I'm completely not getting why your post reads like you think getting a message to our family is unimportant.

Isshin might not know that we've retained all our memories after passing onto Soul Society, and Karin and Yuzu certainly don't know that we still exist and are worried about them. Getting a message to them with concrete proof that it's from us would be greatly reassuring.

The sooner we do that, the less unnecessary grieving they do.
 
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Derek58 said:
...I'm completely not getting why your post reads like you thinkgetting a message to our family is unimportant.

Isshin might not know that we've retained all our memories after passing onto Soul Society, and Karin and Yuzu certainly don't know that we still exist and are worried about them. Getting a message to them with concrete proof that it's from us would be greatly reassuring.

The sooner we do that, the less unnecessary grieving they do.
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Well leaving aside the question of how they'll take that. (Worst case scenario they think they're hallucinating Ichigo's message or something)
I don't see Ichigo being content with just words. So net, it doesn't really change his goals. Maybe it takes the edge off them but change them? Nah.

As for unnecessary grieving...I'm not sure I agree that it's unnecessary. Ultimately Ichigo is dead, and his ability to go back is limited. He's not going to be able to stay an entire human life. So it might be better than they come to terms that he's not always there for them, and make peace with it, before Ichigo comes back. That's a subjective opinion though and I'll cop to it.

(Side note, I had a terrible thought typing this up. What if Isshin, Yuzu and Karin moved somewhere else to make a fresh start?!)
 
gman391 said:
Well leaving aside the question of how they'll take that. (Worst case scenario they think they're hallucinating Ichigo's message or something)
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.... Wut? Kukakus method of sending a message is Yoruichi, Isshin knows Urahara and Yoruichi so I highly doubt he'll think he's hallucinating.

Side note, I had a terrible thought typing this up. What if Isshin, Yuzu and Karin moved somewhere else to make a fresh start?!)
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I also doubt Yoruichi couldn't find Isshin if she wanted to, especially with Uraharas help. Besides, he'd probably have told them if he was leaving, incase shit like that happened
 
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Lorien22 said:
.... Wut? Kukakus method of sending a message is Yoruichi, Isshin knows Urahara and Yoruichi so I highly doubt he'll think he's hallucinating.



I also doubt Yoruichi couldn't find Isshin if she wanted to, especially with Uraharas help. Besides, he'd probably have told them if he was leaving, incase shit like that happened
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Yuzu and Karin, not Isshin.

I meant more for Ichigo's eventual assignment to the human world.
 
gman391 said:
As for unnecessary grieving...I'm not sure I agree that it's unnecessary. Ultimately Ichigo is dead, and his ability to go back is limited. He's not going to be able to stay an entire human life. So it might be better than they come to terms that he's not always there for them, and make peace with it, before Ichigo comes back. That's a subjective opinion though and I'll cop to it.
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That is nothing at all like Yuzu and Karin thinking that Ichigo is gone forever and grieving for him like a normally dead loved one.
 
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Derek58 said:
That is nothing at all like Yuzu and Karin thinking that Ichigo is gone forever and grieving for him like a normally dead loved one.
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I dunno, comfort from thinking you'll see someone again in heaven seems a common coping mechanism to me.

Regardless @SpeckofStardust raises a valid point that actually mostly makes my 'will they take the message well' thoughts spurious. (Although granted, I imagine Yuzu and Karin will still be surprised by a talking cat)

Isshin might actually be the one most affected by this. Normally you forget, Ichigo not forgetting will be a big deal to him. Yuzu and Karin might be more put out by him not being a ghost now thing.
 
gman391 said:
Yuzu and Karin, not Isshin.

I meant more for Ichigo's eventual assignment to the human world.
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Again, Urahara and Yoruichi, Ichigo could just ask Kukaku to ask Yoruichi to find where they live now, and then he asks to be deployed there. For the first point, Karin can see dead people, like Ichigo could before he became a shinigami, and Yuzu has some spiritual shit as well, at most I'd think that if Yoruichi came to deliver a message, either in cat or human form, Isshin would take the time to explain to his daughters how their dead brother was sending them messages through a cat/person they've never met.

Also,

[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Stay with her until it works
 
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[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Stay with her until it works.

Kukaku is Yoruichi's friend and her main contact. If she finds out Ichigo really Shiba than she will contact her and Yoruichi will contact Ichigo's father and Urahara. It maybe even possible she will return to Shiba household to confirm it. I hope she returns to soul society, that way Ichigo will have a chance to learn from her.
 
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[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Stay with her until it works.

Ok guys, Shikai is a big fucking deal. Most soul reapers don't have it at all. Having Shikai within a month of starting as a soul reaper turns us from 'student with potential' to 'give that kid a seated position right out of the academy'.

And frankly, we're Ichigo, we learn best under pressure
 
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Adhoc vote count started by SouvikKundu on Aug 28, 2017 at 5:47 AM, finished with 136 posts and 82 votes.
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[X] Accept Kukaku's offer of help.
-[X] Train with her once a week.

The other option is missing the very needed basics.

Idiots are assuming we'll get Shikai in a week or two and they need to get some sense beat into them that this is not the fucking manga.

And the ones trying to argue that we've taken the fast track before, that was IC and we didn't have this dangerous choice then.

We only showed up for one, maybe two weeks of classes. Not nearly enough time and lessons learnt to play hooky yet. Wait a month or two guys.

Also, what if we get stuck in Shikai because of our poor control? Our control, due to now having more power, will be shot down again. We are focusing on Kaido for a reason!

I think that's all that I can say for now.
 
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