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Black Kingdom Rising - Anime Villain Quest [CK2 Quest]

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mastigos said:
they explicitly do NOT know either of those things
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"Our scanners have not been able to detect its existence. Whatever the material the arm is made from, it either has some kind of enchantment that prevents it from being detected or our scanners are simply not advanced enough to detect it at all."
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That's them finding out the arm can spoof their detection methods and likely why.

"I was getting to that, your ladyship. Miss Creed is human as far as the scanners are concerned. However, she's been enhanced - both physically and mentally."

"Yes. Now after we examined Miss Creed's body for any peculiarities, we discovered some very interesting things. We've found that her bodily functions have somehow been enhanced to the pinnacle of human conditioning.

"Peak human condition. Strength, speed, senses, agility, durability, stamina, dexterity, reflexes - everything. Even intelligence! She also now has an accelerated healing factor as well. Any ailments and physical and genetic imperfections have been healed. As far as I'm concerned, she's the perfect specimen of human development and conditioning - just without any noticeable changes in her appearance."

"Well, I theorise that her transformation from a baseline human being into her current "peak" human state occurred over the course of several weeks."

"Again, nothing. No unknown magic, chemical or even foreign objects could be found in Miss Creed's body. And we are quite sure that she isn't a Tainted. The only thing that we know is that an independent mage who calls themselves Ebon is the one who created the arm."

"While I understand your concerns, Miss Creed has shown absolutely no sign of corruption. Though you just reminded me of something that might be of interest."
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That is them detecting every single thing about her.

They may not have an exact understanding as to why the the arm blocks their signals but explicitly it's been showed that nothing but her arm spoofs the scans. So!

Valerian said:
Their legitimate concern is that if the arm can spoof their detection, then anything on the same tier of magic or tech inserted into her body/bloodstream can do the same thing.
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If that was the case then their scans would have picked up black spots to detect that there is something in her that spoofs signals so they literally have no worries about that ever being a thing. Because the fact that the arm can be detected by spoofing their scan means any foreign objects that do the exact same thing would be detected by the virtue of being undetectable.

So yeah, they are holding a normal human girl in captivity, one that is getting enhanced in a way they don't understand and one that just might end up with a grudge if they try any shit with her.

Their paranoia is likely going to cost them much in this instance.
 
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I wonder if it's fine to just out and say that "if you don't want Aestia in your retinue, I'll gladly welcome her in my own"?

If they're going to treat her like a ticking timebomb, might as well "remove" her from them.


Oh, and if they DO pull out that "she's Company personnel & property" card, then we can gleefully counter with:
"They might be magical girls, but they are still girls, and definitely not property that you can hoard."
 
meganeshounen said:
I wonder if it's fine to just out and say that "if you don't want Aestia in your retinue, I'll gladly welcome her in my own"?

If they're going to treat her like a ticking timebomb, might as well "remove" her from them.


Oh, and if they DO pull out that "she's Company personnel & property" card, then we can gleefully counter with:
"They might be magical girls, but they are still girls, and definitely not property that you can hoard."
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Would be interesting, but I honestly hope the Company isn't that bad.

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Yeah, this is coming from the guy whose initial reaction to this update was we should destroy the company.
 
meganeshounen said:
I wonder if it's fine to just out and say that "if you don't want Aestia in your retinue, I'll gladly welcome her in my own"?

If they're going to treat her like a ticking timebomb, might as well "remove" her from them.


Oh, and if they DO pull out that "she's Company personnel & property" card, then we can gleefully counter with:
"They might be magical girls, but they are still girls, and definitely not property that you can hoard."
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They know it's effecting her, both physically and mentally, and they have no idea what it can do, on the off chance that she goes mad and start killing people locking her up keeps that from happening, and if she does then they will kill her, she has an unknown object effecting her totally and it is far beyond them in order to keep possible innocent people from dying they cant let her go until convinced that this is not the case.
Were lucky they didn't kill her off the bat.
 
OverReactionGuy said:
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That's them finding out the arm can spoof their detection methods and likely why.



That is them detecting every single thing about her.

They may not have an exact understanding as to why the the arm blocks their signals but explicitly it's been showed that nothing but her arm spoofs the scans. So!



If that was the case then their scans would have picked up black spots to detect that there is something in her that spoofs signals so they literally have no worries about that ever being a thing. Because the fact that the arm can be detected by spoofing their scan means any foreign objects that do the exact same thing would be detected by the virtue of being undetectable.

So yeah, they are holding a normal human girl in captivity, one that is getting enhanced in a way they don't understand and one that just might end up with a grudge if they try any shit with her.

Their paranoia is likely going to cost them much in this instance.
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They made two vague guesses as to how the arm can spoof their detection (an enchantment or being more advanced than the scanners). The did not find out "likely why". If the creator of the arm can make an arm invisible to scanners it is probable other things can be made invisible to scanners. Saying the arm is either the product of superior magic or more advanced technology does not narrow it down much.

It was not "explicitly it's been showed that nothing but her arm spoofs the scans". In fact the opposite, the response to being told she is human was "Run the scans again! At level five sensitivity and -" suggesting the scans can be wrong. If the scanners were able to detect everything but the arm, then there would be no need to redo the scan at different settings.

The scanners did not detect a "black spots" or "spoofs signals", they failed to detect the arm. If the scan had detected a "black spots" or "spoofs signals" then that would be a scan result
(if a useless one), instead the scanners : "Our scanners have not been able to detect its existence".
Similarly if there was a bomb inside her the scanners would not been able to detect its existence.


"So yeah, they are holding a normal human girl in captivity, one that is getting enhanced in a way they don't understand and one that just might end up with a grudge if they try any shit with her."
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They are holding a Magical Girl in captivity, one that "absorbed enough dark Emotica to make an entire company of Magical Girls fall". They justifiably imprisoned her for absorbing/using more dark Emotica/magic than a human can. It is the same as imprisoning a mass-murder suspect, while searching for proof of innocence or guilt.
She is being enhanced in a way they don't understand and have no idea how, why or even when. They suspect the arm is responsible, but if it changed everything about her (except appearance) once, it could do it again.


They have not killed or hurt her, but decided to keep her under observation until they know what happened to "one of our own". They are willing to kill her if she is "tainted", but are not going to kill her without evidence.
 
Chrestomanci said:
The scanners did not detect a "black spots" or "spoofs signals", they failed to detect the arm. If the scan had detected a "black spots" or "spoofs signals" then that would be a scan result
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The fact that they can't detect the arm is the detection itself is what I was talking about with "black spots" and "spoof signals. I was trying to quantify what they would have seen if they couldn't detect something.

For example, something catches radar signals or whatever to make itself invisible to said radar. Then said radar is blasted in the wide entire area, you now have something moving within the radar that you can't detect but know it's there.

So yes, they could find a bomb in her.

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Reasoning was made flawed by the author giving information that I didn't know, so we could made suicide ebon bombers out of people.

Chrestomanci said:
In fact the opposite, the response to being told she is human was "Run the scans again! At level five sensitivity and -" suggesting the scans can be wrong. If the scanners were able to detect everything but the arm, then there would be no need to redo the scan at different settings.
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That's because it's clearly shown that Creed can't believe it even though the scans went through perfectly and they got a great deal of damn information from them. It's not because the scans were wrong, it's because one character can't believe the scans were right. They were then basically talked down by their subordinate. Like seriously.

Look.

shibosho said:
"Don't give me that cheek! You know full well that after what she did, she can't possibly be human! Run the scans again! At level five sensitivity and - wait, mostly?"
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The the instance you're talking about. And I bolded a key part the subordinate would later use to calm her down. He then proceeds to reveal everything they learned about her using her scans which I already quoted. Then after all of that because I'm not bothering to quote the entire chapter for this, I did enough of that backing up my argument on my original post.

"Now then, shall we have some afternoon tea? I believe that Madeleine has found a new patisserie and I can't wait to try out their cakes!"
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No second scan was actually ran because the first scan got all the results that they needed. The call for the second scan as evidenced by the chapter itself was just a panicked reaction on Ms Creeds part that was quickly dismissed when she calmed down.

So no, it's not in fact the opposite.

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Think I'm going to go back to being a lurker for awhile. Arguing like this personally annoys me and I have enough shit to deal with right now than to fight it out on whose right or wrong on the internet.
 
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Ebon Steel and pretty much any state of Ebon Power before it's converted into something else is undetectable by conventional means, and by conventional, I mean the usual methods for various groups whether they be magical or not.

What the scanners showed was that the arm didn't exist. It didn't detect an arm-shaped empty space. Rather, all the scanner found in the area of Aestia's arm was just space filled with air that was the same as the air around the place. Of course, if you put the arm in like, I don't know, styrofoam and then scanned it, the scanner will say there's an empty arm shaped space in the styrofoam.
 
shibosho said:
Ebon Steel and pretty much any state of Ebon Power before it's converted into something else is undetectable by conventional means, and by conventional, I mean the usual methods for various groups whether they be magical or not.

What the scanners showed was that the arm didn't exist. It didn't detect an arm-shaped empty space. Rather, all the scanner found in the area of Aestia's arm was just space filled with air that was the same as the air around the place. Of course, if you put the arm in like, I don't know, styrofoam and then scanned it, the scanner will say there's an empty arm shaped space in the styrofoam.
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So basically, the scanner disarmed her?
 
shibosho said:
Ebon Steel and pretty much any state of Ebon Power before it's converted into something else is undetectable by conventional means, and by conventional, I mean the usual methods for various groups whether they be magical or not.

What the scanners showed was that the arm didn't exist. It didn't detect an arm-shaped empty space. Rather, all the scanner found in the area of Aestia's arm was just space filled with air that was the same as the air around the place. Of course, if you put the arm in like, I don't know, styrofoam and then scanned it, the scanner will say there's an empty arm shaped space in the styrofoam.
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Since we seem to basically be able to control the physical properties of Ebon Steel at a whim, how hard would it be to make it invisible? Or nearly so.
I ask because that would render basically undetectable except by touch ... especially if its being launched at supersonic speed at something.

Similarly, how hard would it be to control a diffuse gas made of Ebon Power derivative?
 
mastigos said:
Since we seem to basically be able to control the physical properties of Ebon Steel at a whim, how hard would it be to make it invisible? Or nearly so.
I ask because that would render basically undetectable except by touch ... especially if its being launched at supersonic speed at something.

Similarly, how hard would it be to control a diffuse gas made of Ebon Power derivative?
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You can't make it invisible and the gas state of Ebon Power is...volatile, to say the least.

Currently slowly working on next update. And other stuff.
 
mastigos said:
And I'm guessing a cloud of discrete dust particles of solid Ebon Power would be a bitch to manage, right?
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I imagine that it would be, considering if it was used out in the open I think it'll just look like smoke that isn't moving along with the wind. Not to mention if used in broad daylight. Good idea but hard to use subtly, now if you wanted it just to cover an area with darkness it would work but, I'm guessing that it would a bit costly to do so.
 
Hey there! Nice quest however since I just read it I found something that confuses me.

shibosho said:
[X] Energy Farm: The easiest way to get more Ebon Power is to increase the number of captives that you can drain energy from. With the number of Shadows you have under your control, it should be child's play to capture a bunch of people to act as your Ebon Power generators. You'll have to make sure that whoever you kidnap will not be missed anytime soon. Cost: 60 Ebon Shadows. 10 Neoshadows. Chance of Success: 100% Reward: Minimum 2d6+5 Human Captives. Increased Ebon Power Income.

Roll: 69 + 10: 79

The Shadows you sent out to collect new Ebon Power sources were successful in fulfilling your command. Fourteen random miscreants, punks, would-be criminals and homeless guys had been subdued and brought into your prison where they would spend the rest of their lives to fuel your growing forces and needs.

Every single person was in pretty good shape meaning they both had larger amounts of energy within them and would last longer from continuous draining.

Reward: 14 human captives. (Great Condition)
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Did you forget about this guys? Because I noticed that the Captive part is kinda lacking them.

I think that you are also missing Lazarus (The Douchy Mage)
 
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