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[] The council of course is concerned with the salaries of the generals and the honor and titles that will be bestowed on them. As Envoy to the Emperor, he could certainly grease the wheels if the army wanted to cover itself in ribbons and titles. [+1]
[] Finding money for higher general salaries won't help all that much either way...except that Kiralo needs the money from his own salary as general in the field if he's going to have maneuvering room to do what he needs. Or...less room than he might have. [-1]

Could you go into the advantages/disadvantages of these then? Along with the fire sale choice if you don't mind.
 
Neptune said:
[] The council of course is concerned with the salaries of the generals and the honor and titles that will be bestowed on them. As Envoy to the Emperor, he could certainly grease the wheels if the army wanted to cover itself in ribbons and titles. [+1]
[] Finding money for higher general salaries won't help all that much either way...except that Kiralo needs the money from his own salary as general in the field if he's going to have maneuvering room to do what he needs. Or...less room than he might have. [-1]

Could you go into the advantages/disadvantages of these then? Along with the fire sale choice if you don't mind.
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The Fire Sale option involves the fact that in Basrat, and potentially other places, there will be a lot of titles open. Titles to be given away by some method or another. A fire sale could, at its worse, be a mistake felt down for generations. At its best it would just replicate the average buying and selling typical of most administrations, though Kuojah has tried to tamp down on some of that. At its even-below-worst, in theory but unlikely some of the people buying might not wind up very loyal, which would cause trouble down the line.

The honors and titles, again, are something where it doesn't matter now, but after the war is over, they'd be people you might have to deal with.

The money in his field offers more options for once the War Turn asks. At least a few others, involving costs and organization and etc.
 
So, the consequences of greeting Kueli vs. not greeting him? Not just with him, or the men he brought with him, but on the others we need to deal with in the capital?
 
I know it's a bit late, but I have a cunning plan.

[X] The logistics officials have been rude madman, and while some progress has been made in sorting it out, they are completely inflexible. Get them off Kiralo's back and try to improve one's standing. (Reroll Cart action) [-2]

Unfucking the logistics would help basically everything in the upcoming campaign.

[X] The young lordlings that Kiralo has ignored, as well as other glory-hounds, have been requesting the right to purchase commissions. It would be a quick source of revenue, but might degrade the quality of the army's mid-ranking officers. However, a careful selection could definitely minimize the impact of this choice. [+1]

-[X] Write-in: Have them bid for the right to enter a competition for officer positions. Set up the competition so that it favors those who would make at least unspectacularly competent officers and those who are obscenely, almost-or-actually-supernaturally lucky. If there's one thing young noblemen like to do, it's compete with each other.

[X] Conversely, Qing'lu's rampent hostility against Kuojah has definitely won him few friends this late in the campaign, after Kiralo's triumphs have reflected back, unfortunately, on his father. But he is still one of the most powerful military men in the Empire, and seems to have some experience. Try to get him rank in the field, rather than staying 'home.' He might also appease the Southlands. [-1]

Competent general who keeps a whole region from being pissed at us? Sign him up. And see if we can't get Dad to do the official ceremony, so that everyone can make a public show of putting the good of the nation above personal animosity especially

[X] The city has plenty of people in it, and a preliminary sweep of them might give an extra week or two to train them. Not enough to actually change things majorly, but if Csirit the city and the surrounding areas were already recruited up from the start, it might speed things in the coming week or two. [-1]

-[X] Write-in: Don't do it as conscription. Do it as a recruitment drive, seeking people willing to protect the Emperor against a would-be usurper. Emphasize that the Emperor's current councilors (i.e. our father) are known to be honest, skilled men who, whatever their faults, seek to do what's best for the country. Emphasize that the departed previous Emperor chose to leave these men in charge, rather than make arrangements for others to replace them should he die suddenly. And bring up the suspicious manner in which Jinghai's father died, and what that implies should he get his hands on the Emperor. We can hopefully get willing recruits and poison public discourse against Jinghai at the same time.

[X] The council of course is concerned with the salaries of the generals and the honor and titles that will be bestowed on them. As Envoy to the Emperor, he could certainly grease the wheels if the army wanted to cover itself in ribbons and titles. [+1]

Do it. The people who matter will know which commendations are bullshit and which indicate genuine merit and/or valor.

[X] Finding money for higher general salaries won't help all that much either way...except that Kiralo needs the money from his own salary as general in the field if he's going to have maneuvering room to do what he needs. Or...less room than he might have. [-1]

We need some extra cards to play with, and right now we can barely afford the ante.

[X] The army needs money, and so does the government, so does everyone. More money must be gotten from somewhere, and one of the places that it could be gotten from is...well, there are merchants in this city, are there not? Surely they are...patriotic. No? Let us come back with a few more guards, and ask them then… [-1]

Try to be as polite as possible, and give them official receipts so that they can at least theoretically petition for repayment after the war, but if they really didn't want to be squeezed they'd have skipped town as soon as conscription and requisitioning started.

[X] Fire Sale starts early: Once Prince Jinhai is defeated, and surely that will be totally and completely certain and this is not arrogance, there will be many positions to be filled. Positions that can be sold off or bartered away ahead of time for capital. [+1]

Do it. Prioritize those positions where it's most important to get somebody in them as soon as possible after purging Jinghai's supporters due to the problems caused by leaving them unfilled, so that there's only a minimal gap in governance.

[X] Make sure that...Kueli's reception is all that he could ask for, even if there is not time to organize a full greeting, as Kiralo had hoped to do, but couldn't. [-1]

We owe him this. We owe ourselves this. And it would help reinforce in the minds of the people at Court that we actually do know what we're talking about when it comes to warfare.
 
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-[X] Write-in: Have them bid for the right to enter a competition for officer positions. Set up the competition so that it favors those who would make at least unspectacularly competent officers and those who are obscenely, almost-or-actually-supernaturally lucky. If there's one thing young noblemen like to do, it's compete with each other.
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The Sandman said:
-[X] Write-in: Don't do it as conscription. Do it as a recruitment drive, seeking people willing to protect the Emperor against a would-be usurper. Emphasize that the Emperor's current councilors (i.e. our father) are known to be honest, skilled men who, whatever their faults, seek to do what's best for the country. Emphasize that the departed previous Emperor chose to leave these men in charge, rather than make arrangements for others to replace them should he die suddenly. And bring up the suspicious manner in which Jinghai's father died, and what that implies should he get his hands on the Emperor. We can hopefully get willing recruits and poison public discourse against Jinghai at the same time.
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Eh....
@The Laurent Are write-ins like this even allowed?
 
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Vote Tally : Original - Fantasy - Behind the Serpent Throne (CK2) | Page 92 | Sufficient Velocity
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[X] Plan Gingganz
[X] The young lordlings that Kiralo has ignored, as well as other glory-hounds, have been requesting the right to purchase commissions. It would be a quick source of revenue, but might degrade the quality of the army's mid-ranking officers. However, a careful selection could definitely minimize the impact of this choice. [+1]
[X] The council of course is concerned with the salaries of the generals and the honor and titles that will be bestowed on them. As Envoy to the Emperor, he could certainly grease the wheels if the army wanted to cover itself in ribbons and titles. [+1]
[X] The logistics officials have been rude madman, and while some progress has been made in sorting it out, they are completely inflexible. Get them off Kiralo's back and try to improve one's standing. (Reroll Cart action) [-2]
[X] The search for skilled generals continues, and of course, emphasis could be placed on the importance of this over...other issues. [-2 for a +20 bonus per spend towards 'search for a general' action. Cannot create a crit roll.]
[X] Conversely, Qing'lu's rampent hostility against Kuojah has definitely won him few friends this late in the campaign, after Kiralo's triumphs have reflected back, unfortunately, on his father. But he is still one of the most powerful military men in the Empire, and seems to have some experience. Try to get him rank in the field, rather than staying 'home.' He might also appease the Southlands. [-1]
[X] Finding money for higher general salaries won't help all that much either way...except that Kiralo needs the money from his own salary as general in the field if he's going to have maneuvering room to do what he needs. Or...less room than he might have. [-1]
No. of Votes: 4
Plan: ◈Gingganz
Gingganz
Neptune
No7sHere
slybrarian
[X] Plan Resource Management
-[X] The logistics officials have been rude madman, and while some progress has been made in sorting it out, they are completely inflexible. Get them off Kiralo's back and try to improve one's standing. (Reroll Cart action) [-2]
-[X] The young lordlings that Kiralo has ignored, as well as other glory-hounds, have been requesting the right to purchase commissions. It would be a quick source of revenue, but might degrade the quality of the army's mid-ranking officers. However, a careful selection could definitely minimize the impact of this choice. [+1]
-[X] Conversely, Qing'lu's rampent hostility against Kuojah has definitely won him few friends this late in the campaign, after Kiralo's triumphs have reflected back, unfortunately, on his father. But he is still one of the most powerful military men in the Empire, and seems to have some experience. Try to get him rank in the field, rather than staying 'home.' He might also appease the Southlands. [-1]
-[X] The council of course is concerned with the salaries of the generals and the honor and titles that will be bestowed on them. As Envoy to the Emperor, he could certainly grease the wheels if the army wanted to cover itself in ribbons and titles. [+1]
-[X] The search for skilled generals continues, and of course, emphasis could be placed on the importance of this over...other issues. [-1 to -3, +10 bonus per spend towards 'search for a general' action. Cannot create a crit roll.] x3
-[X] The army needs money, and so does the government, so does everyone. More money must be gotten from somewhere, and one of the places that it could be gotten from is...well, there are merchants in this city, are there not? Surely they are...patriotic. No? Let us come back with a few more guards, and ask them then… [-1]
-[X] Fire Sale starts early: Once Prince Jinhai is defeated, and surely that will be totally and completely certain and this is not arrogance, there will be many positions to be filled. Positions that can be sold off or bartered away ahead of time for capital. [+1]
No. of Votes: 2
Plan: ◈Resource Management
keios
veekie
[X] Plan Urgh Politics
No. of Votes: 2
Plan: ◈Urgh Politics
Random Member
Zeitgeist Blue
[X] The logistics officials have been rude madman, and while some progress has been made in sorting it out, they are completely inflexible. Get them off Kiralo's back and try to improve one's standing. (Reroll Cart action) [-2]
[X] The young lordlings that Kiralo has ignored, as well as other glory-hounds, have been requesting the right to purchase commissions. It would be a quick source of revenue, but might degrade the quality of the army's mid-ranking officers. However, a careful selection could definitely minimize the impact of this choice. [+1]
-[X] Write-in: Have them bid for the right to enter a competition for officer positions. Set up the competition so that it favors those who would make at least unspectacularly competent officers and those who are obscenely, almost-or-actually-supernaturally lucky. If there's one thing young noblemen like to do, it's compete with each other.
[X] Conversely, Qing'lu's rampent hostility against Kuojah has definitely won him few friends this late in the campaign, after Kiralo's triumphs have reflected back, unfortunately, on his father. But he is still one of the most powerful military men in the Empire, and seems to have some experience. Try to get him rank in the field, rather than staying 'home.' He might also appease the Southlands. [-1]
[X] The city has plenty of people in it, and a preliminary sweep of them might give an extra week or two to train them. Not enough to actually change things majorly, but if Csirit the city and the surrounding areas were already recruited up from the start, it might speed things in the coming week or two. [-1]
-[X] Write-in: Don't do it as conscription. Do it as a recruitment drive, seeking people willing to protect the Emperor against a would-be usurper. Emphasize that the Emperor's current councilors (i.e. our father) are known to be honest, skilled men who, whatever their faults, seek to do what's best for the country. Emphasize that the departed previous Emperor chose to leave these men in charge, rather than make arrangements for others to replace them should he die suddenly. And bring up the suspicious manner in which Jinghai's father died, and what that implies should he get his hands on the Emperor. We can hopefully get willing recruits and poison public discourse against Jinghai at the same time.
[X] The council of course is concerned with the salaries of the generals and the honor and titles that will be bestowed on them. As Envoy to the Emperor, he could certainly grease the wheels if the army wanted to cover itself in ribbons and titles. [+1]
[X] Finding money for higher general salaries won't help all that much either way...except that Kiralo needs the money from his own salary as general in the field if he's going to have maneuvering room to do what he needs. Or...less room than he might have. [-1]
[X] The army needs money, and so does the government, so does everyone. More money must be gotten from somewhere, and one of the places that it could be gotten from is...well, there are merchants in this city, are there not? Surely they are...patriotic. No? Let us come back with a few more guards, and ask them then… [-1]
[X] Fire Sale starts early: Once Prince Jinhai is defeated, and surely that will be totally and completely certain and this is not arrogance, there will be many positions to be filled. Positions that can be sold off or bartered away ahead of time for capital. [+1]
[X] Make sure that...Kueli's reception is all that he could ask for, even if there is not time to organize a full greeting, as Kiralo had hoped to do, but couldn't. [-1]
No. of Votes: 2
The Sandman
Muer'ci
[X] Plan Mori
-[X] Conversely, Qing'lu's rampent hostility against Kuojah has definitely won him few friends this late in the campaign, after Kiralo's triumphs have reflected back, unfortunately, on his father. But he is still one of the most powerful military men in the Empire, and seems to have some experience. Try to get him rank in the field, rather than staying 'home.' He might also appease the Southlands. [-1]
-[X] (3x) The search for skilled generals continues, and of course, emphasis could be placed on the importance of this over...other issues. [-1 to -3, +10 bonus per spend towards 'search for a general' action. Cannot create a crit roll.]
-[X] The logistics officials have been rude madman, and while some progress has been made in sorting it out, they are completely inflexible. Get them off Kiralo's back and try to improve one's standing. (Reroll Cart action) [-2]
-[X] The council of course is concerned with the salaries of the generals and the honor and titles that will be bestowed on them. As Envoy to the Emperor, he could certainly grease the wheels if the army wanted to cover itself in ribbons and titles. [+1]
-[X] Fire Sale starts early: Once Prince Jinhai is defeated, and surely that will be totally and completely certain and this is not arrogance, there will be many positions to be filled. Positions that can be sold off or bartered away ahead of time for capital. [+1]
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Mori
mori
Total No. of Voters: 11
 
What actually happens if we lose this war, can we return to the southlands and play as a mercenary captain involved in southland politics?
 
No7sHere said:
What actually happens if we lose this war, can we return to the southlands and play as a mercenary captain involved in southland politics?
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Unfortunately not. It's sort of bound up in the premise of the Quest. If he does lose and somehow doesn't die (unlikely, but possible) then, essentially, Kiralo steps off the stage of history. Whatever he might do with the rest of his life, it's likely to be far less important than the months he spent standing behind the Serpent Throne.
 
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