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Behind the Serpent Throne (CK2)

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veekie said:
Noting also that given her relationship with Kuojah, having the wealth to afford the basic servants shouldn't be hard. Kuojah may have an agenda there.
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Obvious Statement: Kuojah might well have a reason or an agenda for not wanting her to have servants. Yanmae also clearly has a reason for wanting servants. Though her reasons seem more obvious, honestly. One should consider why she's asking Kiralo rather than Kuojah. And consider what that means.
 
One guess is that servants talk. If he goes to the effort of secured servants people would wonder where they're for, while unsecured servants means increased visibility(and thus risk) for her as a pawn in the game?
 
Updated tally. Even closer now.
Vote Tally : Original - Fantasy - Behind the Serpent Throne (CK2) | Page 70 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.3.2

[X] Plan Of Debts And Payments
-[X] Southern Comforts
-[X] The Turtle of the West, Part 1
-[X] A Pain In the Arrears
-[X] A Lesson In Laws
-[X] Matchmaker Matchmaker
-[X] The Old Emperor's Men
-[X] A Confused Code
-[X] The Art of Investigation
-[X] Dueling Words
-[X] A Play On Words
-[X] Money in the City
-[X] Reporting to the Emperor
-[X] Letters to Nestirin
-[X] Out on the Town
-[X] Checking it Twice
-[X] Task Force: Hari Bueli
--[X] 2 Dice
No. of Votes: 4
Plan: ◈Of Debts And Payments
Crowhunter
Muer'ci
veekie
wingstrike96

[X] Rassit and Obligations
No. of Votes: 4
Neptune
BrainInAJar
mori
Yeangst

[X] Plan Random
No. of Votes: 3
Plan: ◈Random
Bakkasama
Random Member
Zeitgeist Blue

[X] Plan Gingganz
-[X] The Music Men
-[X] Southern Comfort
-[X] Reporting to the Emperor
-[X] The Third Leg
-[X] Hoarding Works
--[X] 2 dice
-[X] Bows on Horses
-[X] The Turtle of the West
-[X] A Pain in the Arrears
-[X] An Offering of Resources (Hari-Bueli)
-[X] Maid Do
-[X] Matchmaker, Matchmaker
-[X] The Old Emperor's Men
-[X] The Art of Investigation
-[X] Put Down
-[X] What Happens in the Southlands
--[X] 2 dice
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Gingganz
Gingganz

[X] War and the South
No. of Votes: 1
Erandil

[X] Plan War sometimes change
No. of Votes: 0
Plan: ◈War sometimes change

Total No. of Voters: 13
 
To make the situation worse, I will switch to

[X] Plan Random

I mostly agree with it, except I feel that it treats our obligation to Qing'lu much too lightly, with only one die in one action to repay him.
 
Oh god, a 4-4-4 split!
Gingganz said:
To make the situation worse, I will switch to

[X] Plan Random

I mostly agree with it, except I feel that it treats our obligation to Qing'lu much too lightly, with only one die in one action to repay him.
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I mean, it's unlikely to fail and in the event that it does, we'll just do both of them next turn. He won't start trouble if we fail it this turn.
 
Given I think the main differences in the three plans, and probably the deciding factor, is likely to be the state actions given how rare they are I'd thought I'd show you the percentages of the Rassit options from turn 1.
Title: Hired Bows
Dice Rolled: Diplomacy (Primary), Martial (Secondary)
Chance of success: 5%
Time: 1 Turn
Text: Attempt to get permission for the Wind-Dancers to come into the empire as hired mercenaries employed by the state. This would mean they'd be partially out of Kiralo's control, or that he'd be classified as the head of these mercenaries, which might significantly change his position at the court, and not necessarily for the better...but it's easier than the alternative.

Title: Household Retainers
Dice Rolled: Diplomacy
Chance of success: 1%
Time: 2 turns.
Text: Kiralo could also try to get the Wind-Dancers declared 'Household retainers' and thus under his supervision and control and not that of the state, except that of course he would loan their services to the Empire. A neater solution, but rather more difficult and unlikely.
They're both notable in the percentage chance change, but very importantly Household Retainers dropped from 2 turns to 1 which displays how far we've come with regards to getting the action to this stage.

Also after rereading the prologue (which I'd recommend) with Kiralo training hard to become one, leading them, winning a war with them and them becoming his family makes to want the option more given the positive impact it would have on him personally along with the character interactions it would spawn.
 
Random Member said:
I mean, it's unlikely to fail and in the event that it does, we'll just do both of them next turn. He won't start trouble if we fail it this turn.
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I can't know how you want to vote next turn, but if we only put in one die, there is a 15% chance that the Pain the Arrears option will fail. That just seems to high to me for something as important as not making Qing'lu an enemy.
 
Gingganz said:
I can't know how you want to vote next turn, but if we only put in one die, there is a 15% chance that the Pain the Arrears option will fail. That just seems to high to me for something as important as not making Qing'lu an enemy.
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The Laurent said:
Oh, if you pick and fail? No. I mean, you have to keep on trying, and if you kept on failing that could be a big problem, just like failing any option is. But if you try and fail he's not immediately going to declare you anathema.
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If we fail it this turn, he's not immediately going to cause problems.
 
[X] Rassit and Obligations

If nothing else- having Kueli near at hand should increase our chances of success in a great number of matters, since he brings Stewardship and Intrigue capabilities in excess of Kiralo's. In a season where we'll soon need an adjutant to manage the spies and supply chains for a civil war, it is high time to get our right hand man back.

Having the ~800 man lightning cavalry force will also likely improve results for options like 'Bows on Horses' and 'Put Down.'
 
PetyrWiggin said:
[X] Rassit and Obligations

If nothing else- having Kueli near at hand should increase our chances of success in a great number of matters, since he brings Stewardship and Intrigue capabilities in excess of Kiralo's. In a season where we'll soon need an adjutant to manage the spies and supply chains for a civil war, it is high time to get our right hand man back.

Having the ~800 man lightning cavalry force will also likely improve results for options like 'Bows on Horses' and 'Put Down.'
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I really do appreciate the Hamilton references.
 
Vote Tally : Original - Fantasy - Behind the Serpent Throne (CK2) | Page 70 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.5

[X]Plan Rassit and Obligations
No. of Votes: 5
Plan: ◈Rassit and Obligations
BrainInAJar
mori
Neptune
PetyrWiggin
Yeangst

[X] Plan Of Debts And Payments
-[X] Southern Comforts
-[X] The Turtle of the West, Part 1
-[X] A Pain In the Arrears
-[X] A Lesson In Laws
-[X] Matchmaker Matchmaker
-[X] The Old Emperor's Men
-[X] A Confused Code
-[X] The Art of Investigation
-[X] Dueling Words
-[X] A Play On Words
-[X] Money in the City
-[X] Reporting to the Emperor
-[X] Letters to Nestirin
-[X] Out on the Town
-[X] Checking it Twice
-[X] Task Force: Hari Bueli
--[X] 2 Dice
No. of Votes: 4
Plan: ◈Of Debts And Payments
Crowhunter
Muer'ci
veekie
wingstrike96

[X] Plan Random
No. of Votes: 4
Plan: ◈Random
Bakkasama
Gingganz
Random Member
Zeitgeist Blue

[X] War and the South
No. of Votes: 1
Erandil

[X] Plan Gingganz
-[X] The Music Men
-[X] Southern Comfort
-[X] Reporting to the Emperor
-[X] The Third Leg
-[X] Hoarding Works
--[X] 2 dice
-[X] Bows on Horses
-[X] The Turtle of the West
-[X] A Pain in the Arrears
-[X] An Offering of Resources (Hari-Bueli)
-[X] Maid Do
-[X] Matchmaker, Matchmaker
-[X] The Old Emperor's Men
-[X] The Art of Investigation
-[X] Put Down
-[X] What Happens in the Southlands
--[X] 2 dice
No. of Votes: 0
Plan: ◈Gingganz

[X] Plan War sometimes change
No. of Votes: 0
Plan: ◈War sometimes change

Total No. of Voters: 14

Here you go.
 
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