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Behind the Serpent Throne (CK2)

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[X] Accept the surrender.

This is where he tells us why he had to rebell, I guess, and makes us promise to do the thing in his stead.
 
[X] Press for unconditional surrender but not from Jinhai, but from the army. Have riders and men with strong voices go out while this truce still lasts and call for their surrender. Remind them that they are still men of the empire and can still go home.
 
[X] Accept the surrender.

Hopefully a negotiated surrender will make it easier to reclaim those areas under Jinhai's control.
 
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Can I ask why we are going for a surrender? We know that this is highly irregular, and Jinhai should have committed suicide by now. The fact he hasn't and is trying a different ploy is worrying. We have the victory in our hands, let's not waste it because we're curious of what he has to say.

If he wants to surrender, then let him do so unconditionally and then we can speak to him. This just stinks of another ploy to me.
 
Since we'll execute him if he surrenders unconditionally and me might not want to die I can understand his reluctance to do so.
 
No7sHere said:
Since we'll execute him if he surrenders unconditionally and me might not want to die I can understand his reluctance to do so.
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Thing is, he's going to be killed anyway. Him and his family, it was mentioned some time ago. He knows he's going to die, so why are we entertaining him as though this is a peace treaty?
 
kaeim said:
Thing is, he's going to be killed anyway. Him and his family, it was mentioned some time ago. He knows he's going to die, so why are we entertaining him as though this is a peace treaty?
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Because we need his army.
He knows that.

A negotiated surrender means he'd ask for SOMETHING in exchange for leaving the army intact. Not his life, but some other bargain in his ideals.

A total surrender, I have a strong suspicion he might well try to drive them all against us in a final "Fuck you too" charge
 
That assumes the army will follow that order.

@The Laurent have we had any surrendering enemy units? Do we have any idea about how enemy morale is in their current situation?
 
The Laurent said:
Oh?
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The fake pretender guy invited us to negotiate but we declined and went murder death kill (and then nat 1 happened :V)
Here, the pretender wants to negotiate, and most erryone is cool with taking him in and chatting instead of going Fatality11!1

I'm sure someone could summarize it better ^^"
veekie said:
There is a chance that he convinces them we're going to execute them all...which is not entirely unprecedented
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Kinda wish we investigated that poisoner back when, rather than handing him to T&T

But eh. People with write-ins have been pretty good with them on the whole, so sure:

[X] Press for unconditional surrender but not from Jinhai, but from the army. Have riders and men with strong voices go out while this truce still lasts and call for their surrender. Remind them that they are still men of the empire and can still go home.
 
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[X] Accept the surrender.

If we press for unconditional surrender, Jinhai might try to get his army to fight to the death and will at least kill himself. If we parlay, Jinhai might give us valuable information on why he rebelled, on the Sea Raiders and maybe more. We might get to capture him and take him to the capital to be tried which I suspect will look better than just returning with a corpse.

I would be willing to do something like plead for the live of his family to the Emperor in return. We will have to see what he wants.

Of course we need to be careful, keep guards around us, keep crossbows trained on him, but I think Jiralo will think of this himself. (Well, unless this is for some reason dishonorable.)
 
Maybe we could split the difference? Send back the courier to say no negotiations, but amnesty for his family?
 
veekie said:
The best show of strength is for a high profile rebel to be taken alive so he can be tried, tortured and publically executed with all possible fanfare.
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You do have a point, but why would he surrender to that fate when he could commit painless suicide? Again, it makes little sense
 
The Laurent said:
You don't know what he's going to be asking for. Or talking about. If he comes, that is. He's a black box, at the moment.
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Hmmm. I was thinking just "take it or leave it" as a way to avoid the extra risk and make ourselves look merciful, but it is odd that he hasn't hinted at all what he would want.
 
kaeim said:
You do have a point, but why would he surrender to that fate when he could commit painless suicide? Again, it makes little sense
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That's the question Kiralo is asking, because he SHOULD have already committed suicide. He's dead, he knows it. His family is near certainly dead, he can't bargain for their lives either.

He could bargain for a clean death but he could have arranged that himself.
SO he has some OTHER goal he deems worth death by torture.
 
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