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Behind the Serpent Throne (CK2)

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Not sure how we should counter his maneuver, but I believe putting the Rassit on the right flank where he plans on overstretching himself should hurt him nicely. If he has some secret weapon waiting there they will be hit too though...

[] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)

I like this, it conserves our troops while it damages his morale. Especially the whole "Struggling is futile" angle here should be pretty effective currently.
I think this works best if we send the Hanin into our center where there are the most eyes on the battle, so this would unfortunately include weakening the flank where Jinhai is trying to be cute.
 
I'm cool with it. Jinhai's supposed to be a military genius, within Kiralo's weight class, if not as good with light cavalry. It's a puzzle to try and beat him instead of brute forcing with superior numbers and rolls, though there's something to be said about simplicity.

[X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.
[X] Write-in. Hanin with the cannons.
[X] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)
[X] Stay with the reserves.

Anyway, Jinhai's next maneuver is all about flanking our cannons. This attempts to disrupt that plan by just letting loose on Jinhai's left when they still think they're in a safe distance, and before they can begin to move. So yeah, I intend to not play by his plan.
 
@The Laurent, I have a few questions.

The Laurent said:
[] Refuse your flanks. It's time to get Oblique here.
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I don't understand. We could try to deny one flank by massing our troops on the other, but noth, can we. So we would at least need a sub vote about which flank we want to deny.

The Laurent said:
[] If you know where the enemy cannons, perhaps it's time for a massed charge… of fire and gunpowder spirits.
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Well, do we know? Kueli did come under fire from the cannons, so if this was only a short time ago, we probably have a decent idea where Jinhai's cannons are. (As far as I remember, moving cannons goes very slowly.)
 
Gingganz said:
@The Laurent, I have a few questions.


I don't understand. We could try to deny one flank by massing our troops on the other, but noth, can we. So we would at least need a sub vote about which flank we want to deny.


Well, do we know? Kueli did come under fire from the cannons, so if this was only a short time ago, we probably have a decent idea where Jinhai's cannons are. (As far as I remember, moving cannons goes very slowly.)
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Well, you know which flank he wants to go after? And the other is, you know, protected by a lake?

Also, you knew where they *were* but he might change the position in order to facilitate a new attack. Thus, you might have to wait until they show themselves.
 
OK, then my comments on the choices:

I don't think denying the flank is going to work well. We have all our cannons on the heights on our right because it is the best place for them, so we will have trouble using them if we try to deny our right flank. We also can't outflank Jinhai's right, because the lake is in the way.

I am not sure there is much point to massing our troops at the center and then swinging them to our right, instead of just moving them to the right now. It denies Jinhai some tactic flexibility, as our troops will only move once he is commited, but it also risks that they come to late and our cannon emplacement is stormed.

I would prefer to move our cavallery to the right, but hold them back until Jinhai's lines are engaged and there is an opportune moment to strike.

So my preferences are pretty much the same as Zeitgeist Blue's, except for the cavallery.

[X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.

What I want to do is move troops to the right where Jinhai will try to outflank us (if Kiralo is right) and advance there until they are engaged. I certainly don't want to move our troops in front of our cannons so that we can't use them anymore. I hope this is what the above option means.

[X] Write-in. Hanin with the cannons.

[X] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)

[X] Move all the cavallery to the right, but hold them back for now. Ideally I would like to hide them behind the hills where our cannons are placed.

Just to be clear, the area where I want to deploy the spirits is somewhere in the vicinity of our cannons and Hanin.
 
If we buff the Hanin with our spirit action we should probably put them in a more prominent spot. Around the Cannons there will be lots of maneuvering in hilly terrain going on, meaning there might not even be that much shooting. A sneaky maneuver is also a sign that he wont try to grind our hill position down another time with a straight attack.

We weakened our center earlier and Jinhais should still be pretty fresh. Our left also got mauled. In addition there is a chance that the flanking is just a feint to focus our attention to the left while crushes into us elsewhere.

I like putting the Hanin to the left because it means our elites switch sides, which sounds pretty cute.

[X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.
[X] Write-in. Put the Hanin to the left.
[X] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)

[X] Move the Rassit to the right. Add the rest of the cavalry to the reserves.

My reason for putting the Rassit there is that they are great at making maneuvering awkward and costly. I dont think our other Light Cavalry will help much there, so keeping them as reactive asset would be better.

Gingganz said:
[X] Move all the cavallery to the right, but hold them back for now. Ideally I would like to hide them behind the hills where our cannons are placed.
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Are you sure giving such specific instructions is wise? Micromanaging from the commanders tent seems silly when we have a commander as good as Kueli in charge of these troops.
 
[X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.
[X] Write-in. Hanin with the cannons.
[X] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)
[X] Move all the cavallery to the right, but hold them back for now. Ideally I would like to hide them behind the hills where our cannons are placed.

Yeah, I'll go with this combination as if Jinhai attacks our right flank again he simply has to send enough men that it can reasonably take it. Otherwise, the men who are going to be marching up that hill, their commanders and leaders, and the nobles who they owe loyalty too are going to have severe umbrage with throwing away the lives of their men away again; right after what happened on day 1 of the battle.

Thus I'm anticipating our right flank to come under considerably attack so they can dislodge/destroy our cannons, thus the aim is to utilize both the Hanin and our magic to blunt the assault, and again cause them to retreat which should be particularly effective given they'd have the previous day in their mind. Then this gives us the opportunity to take advantage when they retreat to unleash our light cavalry; as they're good at scouting, harrassing and skirmishing, and in pursuing during a retreat or rout. A pitched battle really isn't one of them.
 
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[X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.
[X] Write-in. Hanin with the cannons.
[X] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)
[X] Move all the cavallery to the right, but hold them back for now. Ideally I would like to hide them behind the hills where our cannons are placed.

So far so good, but bloody. Whoever wins this day the Empire is not going to be too happy.
 
CeBrudras said:
Are you sure giving such specific instructions is wise? Micromanaging from the commanders tent seems silly when we have a commander as good as Kueli in charge of these troops.
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I didn't intend to micromanage. I am perfectly happy with letting Kueli attack when he thinks the time is right, just not right at the beginnng of combat.
 
Making an archery battle one sided will hit the morale of those units involved but silencing the guns, especially with explosions, is something that can be perceived by everyone on the battlefield and so affect the morale of everyone. We do know where his cannon are because he's been using them and firing a cannon gives a flash, boom and puff of smoke and we have people on the only hills in the area.

Those cannon have been hurting us too, especially the Rassit. In fact, attacking them would give the impression that we intend another cavalry move on the left, which is useful if we're sending our cavalry right.

If Jinhai wants to outflank our artillery he'll probably also attack it again to keep it engaged while moving the flanking force past the kill zone. He'll definitely attack if he can get enough forces to an approach that's hard to bombard. We should send some of our reserves into those hills. The heights are a decent start point for our reserves to go on the offensive too, especially if the enemy get strung out as they wheel around.

If Kiralo is wrong about the flanking move, extra Hanin in the hills still have an elevated crossbow position and can descend on Jinhai's left flank.

Our heavy cavalry could be used on the right center, charging formations that have been disrupted by cannonfire.
 
Counter?


[x] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.

Choose One Magical Attack (1 because of lower priority towards large attacks)

[x] If you know where the enemy cannons, perhaps it's time for a massed charge… of fire and gunpowder spirits.
-[x] Spotters on the hills can help coordinate

What should the Rassit Do? (You can separate them from the Light Cavalry if you wish)

[x] Right.


Any Other Deployment Orders?

[x] Reinforce the right from the reserves to defend the hills then sally.
[x] Heavy cavalry to the right center.

If he spreads out to flank we cut him in half, if he advances head on we roll him up from the right.
 
[X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.
[X] Write-in. Hanin with the cannons.
[X] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)
[] Roll out the dust. Use dust storms and heavy winds created by spirits to obscure movements and try for a surprise. (Hint: Should be done in conjunction with, you know, a plan that involves surprises.)
[X] Place the cavalry on the right. Use them to hit Jinhai's flanking attempt and, if Kueli judges it possible, attempt a flanking manouver on their own.

Not sure if I want our mages to catch arrows to protect our right or create a dust storm to help our cavalry's counterflanking attempt.
 
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A general engagement, place Hanin with the cannons, use mages to catch arrows and place our cavalry behind the hills on our right.
Adhoc vote count started by Random Member on Jul 21, 2017 at 11:58 AM, finished with 28 posts and 8 votes.
  • [X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.
    [X] Write-in. Hanin with the cannons.
    [X] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)
    [X] Move all the cavallery to the right, but hold them back for now. Ideally I would like to hide them behind the hills where our cannons are placed.
    [X] Refuse your flanks. It's time to get Oblique here.
    [X] Sometimes slaughter is what you need. Use a spirit charge to break up an enemy march, slowing them down and weakening them before a main engagement.
    [X] Left.
    [X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.
    [X] Write-in. Hanin with the cannons.
    [X] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)
    [X] Stay with the reserves.
    [X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.
    [X] Write-in. Put the Hanin to the left.
    [X] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)
    [X] Move the Rassit to the right. Add the rest of the cavalry to the reserves.
    [X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.
    [x] If you know where the enemy cannons, perhaps it's time for a massed charge… of fire and gunpowder spirits.
    -[x] Spotters on the hills can help coordinate
    [x] Right.
    [x] Reinforce the right from the reserves to defend the hills then sally.
    [x] Heavy cavalry to the right center.
    [X] Don't be fooled. Move as he moves, and advance forward. Force this into a general engagement, and his plan is foiled.
    [X] Write-in. Hanin with the cannons.
    [X] There is nothing more demoralizing than being killed from a distance without being able to respond. Rouse up a large number of spirits at one area of high engagement that will catch the bolts and arrows, making it a one-sided action. (Hint: Deploying the Hanin correctly would increase the efficacy.)
    [X] Place the cavalry on the right. Use them to hit Jinhai's flanking attempt and, if Kueli judges it possible, attempt a flanking manouver on their own.
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