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[X] Flash Bang - When ringleader fires, A bright light flashes around her causing problems and making shots miss more. Can be controlled by ringleader. Eye protection included.

[X] Shrink shield - You don't need a large shield. Making it smaller would help with any power problems during sync

[X] Spring Boots - Why be stationary when you can be jumping high and move around more. More angles to shoot.

[X] Sync regulator - The sync is the problem and a bug is shown. Have a small micro controller or a micro processor to regulate the bug to keep shields fully functional

[X] Power Converter/regulator - There is a power deficent when the gun fires.

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So its the syncing problem that the shields and gun have with each other is the problem. I say add a little computer or something that can correct any problems during the sync. So it most likely is and hardware issue. We could just boost more power instead.
 
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[X] Reset Shields: If possible, duplicate the projectors of the force field. Once the shield strength is low, switch to the fresh set of emitters.

[X] Defensive Measures: Some of these ideas require at least a brief period of vulnerability. Cover for it by installing various defensive measures, such as smoke launchers, chaff and flares.
 
ok lets get this written out as a vote. One thing to keep in mind, if Judge is on the field shits gone wrong, and she is starting down overwhelming enemy presence.

[x] deplorable shield drone, by which I mean a slab of armor with hover systems. Plant it down when she opens fire and she now has a lot of armor between herself and incoming fire. Ideally incorporate an ability to replace the shield once one is worn away.

[x] re-work plasma weapons fire cycle for a long charge time followed by a burst of sufficient intensity to suppress enemy fire. Would likely need to be combined with some other mitigation method. Even if suppression is not possible, less frequent but impactful barrrages makes any other fix more effective.

[x] smoke grenades and some form of sensor upgrade to allow Judge to see through her own smoke. Either goggles or small disposable camera drones.

[x] develop a fast mortar carrier to deploy behind her to ensure she always has fire support. The shield allows visual light through, thus a laser target designator that works through it should be trivial, or even unneeded if she can eyeball it on her own. Sufficient mortar fire should force the enemy to keep there head down while Judge opens fire.

[x] Jet assisted mobility. In theory, she should be able to use her shield to protect herself from any crashes right? the ability to just ram motherfuckers is a way to attack safely, and the extreme mobility would allow her maneuver to firing positions that limit return fire.

[x] Demoloition charges. it's unclear if the shield is fully sealed or not, but if it is not, Judge could drop demo charges danger close, and then set them off as soon as their outside her shield. While short ranged it would be a way to attack without lowering her shields.


@Solark I just realized something, is Judges shield a 360 sphere or a single plane? Because I've been assuming it's a sphere of some kind, but if its a flat plane then there are more options.
 
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random_npc said:
@Solark I just realized something, is Judges shield a 360 sphere or a single plane? Because I've been assuming it's a sphere of some kind, but if its a flat plane then there are more options.
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It's a sph...
Looks at in-game footage, sees a triangle-ish plane. Oh, oops? Where does that image in my mind come from I wonder.
Ahem... thank you for contacting Architect's workshop support. Unfortunately all brain cells are out at the moment, so your question will be answered in the next chapter.
 
Solark said:
It's a sph...
Looks at in-game footage, sees a triangle-ish plane. Oh, oops? Where does that image in my mind come from I wonder.
Ahem... thank you for contacting Architect's workshop support. Unfortunately all brain cells are out at the moment, so your question will be answered in the next chapter.
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If your looking for a lore fix here, just because the bit humans can see is a flat plane does not mean that's all there is to it, after all the glowing bits are where its being hit, so it could simply not be in the visible spectrum when not actively deflecting fire.
 
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"I'm so thirsty, but all we've got is ocean water!"
"Hang on, I've got just the thing."
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well that's an unfortunate misspelling.

edit: another idea occured to me

[x] Plasma mortars: adding an arc to her shots is useful in one of two ways. If her shield is a singular plane she can fire over her defenses without lowering them. if it is 360, then we can combine this with the below idea.

[x] Firing slits, instead of weakening the entire shield, refine it to only weaken a section of it, narrowing the target she can be hit from. If combined with Plasma mortars the firing window can be placed that incoming fire can not hit her through it.
 
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Solark said:
It's a sph...
Looks at in-game footage, sees a triangle-ish plane. Oh, oops? Where does that image in my mind come from I wonder.
Ahem... thank you for contacting Architect's workshop support. Unfortunately all brain cells are out at the moment, so your question will be answered in the next chapter.
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Her bossfight chibi has the purple triangle shield but her playable 5* art has more of an invisible sphere thing so it could go either way.
 
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    • Scheduled vote count started by Solark on Nov 20, 2024 at 8:39 AM, finished with 23 posts and 12 votes.
    • [X] Find a way to increase the hover range of Judge's weapons, so they can fire from outside the shield
      [X] Find a way to adjust the shape of the shield bubble on the fly so that Judge's weapons can fire from outside the shield
      [X] Modify the shield shape to allow two ''Firing Ports'' with lower effectiveness to let the plasma through, while keeping the rest of the force field at 100%.
      [X] Two shields using the anti grav tech oroboros uses for her gun platforms.
      [X] directional shield mode and an indirect fire weapon
      [X] Give her Scarecrow's attack drones
      [X] Cycle through different frequencies to minimize the risk of projectiles getting through
      [X] Hyperburst. If synching the shield takes long enough that it can't be toggled between shots then minimizing the time between shots can reduce the risk without sacrificing potential damage.
      [X] Improve the fire control loop and integrate it with the shield control so that the shield drop is timed with the beginning of actual firing.
      [X] Layered shielding, such as a field between Judge and her weapons that covers the frequency ignored for weapon firing.
      [X] Some sort of stealth system to allow Judge to break off when taking significant fire and reposition.
      [X] Increase Judge's mobility such that she can still "attack" with her shield at 100% by ramming things.
      [X] Goliaths. Well, if she is invincible with her shield up, why don't we make it easy for her to call our favorite suicide bots onto her own position? That's more than enough firepower to blast through whatever would have forced a retreat and no risk of friendly fire unlike most times Goliaths get used.
      [X] Adjust the plasma and shield wave characteristics such that the plasma passes through the shield unaffected, so long as the weapon fires a certain distance from the shield. Adjust the weapon parameters to ensure that the weapon only fires at that distance.
      [X] Hologram generator that can hide Judge's plasma fire and/or generate decoy weapons fire.
      [X] Turn the shield itself into a melee weapon somehow?
      [X] Weapons that are attached to the shield itself. Most of the weapon is inside the shield, leading to a magnetically attached interface that glides along the surface of the shield, and then the firing end of the weapon sticks out. This does make the weapons themselves a weak point, but the interface is designed to fail-safe so that if it breaks, the shield closes over where the weapon was.
      [X] Two shields bubbles? Layered shield bubbles?
      [X] Directional shield generators. Instead of one single shield that covers all angles, have multiple smaller shields that each cover a specific angle. Only the shields that are being fired through need to be weakened, while the other shield sections can remain at 100%.
      [x] Hyperburst Plasma gun. Hyperburst is a type of burst fire where said burst happens so quickly that you only feel one recoil impulse. In other words with Hyperburst every round of that burst will hit exactly where you aimed.
      [X] Flash Bang - When ringleader fires, A bright light flashes around her causing problems and making shots miss more. Can be controlled by ringleader. Eye protection included.
      [X] Shrink shield - You don't need a large shield. Making it smaller would help with any power problems during sync
      [X] Spring Boots - Why be stationary when you can be jumping high and move around more. More angles to shoot.
      [X] Sync regulator - The sync is the problem and a bug is shown. Have a small micro controller or a micro processor to regulate the bug to keep shields fully functional
      [X] Power Converter/regulator - There is a power deficent when the gun fires.
      [X] Reset Shields: If possible, duplicate the projectors of the force field. Once the shield strength is low, switch to the fresh set of emitters.
      [X] Defensive Measures: Some of these ideas require at least a brief period of vulnerability. Cover for it by installing various defensive measures, such as smoke launchers, chaff and flares.
      [X] angle the shield. It takes less energy to deflect, than to stop entire.
      [x] Plasma mortars: adding an arc to her shots is useful in one of two ways. If her shield is a singular plane she can fire over her defenses without lowering them. if it is 360, then we can combine this with the below idea.
      [x] Firing slits, instead of weakening the entire shield, refine it to only weaken a section of it, narrowing the target she can be hit from. If combined with Plasma mortars the firing window can be placed that incoming fire can not hit her through it.
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    • Solark said:
    Scheduled vote count started by Solark on Nov 20, 2024 at 8:39 AM, finished with 23 posts and 12 votes.
    • [X] Find a way to increase the hover range of Judge's weapons, so they can fire from outside the shield
      [X] Find a way to adjust the shape of the shield bubble on the fly so that Judge's weapons can fire from outside the shield
      [X] Modify the shield shape to allow two ''Firing Ports'' with lower effectiveness to let the plasma through, while keeping the rest of the force field at 100%.
      [X] Two shields using the anti grav tech oroboros uses for her gun platforms.
      [X] directional shield mode and an indirect fire weapon
      [X] Give her Scarecrow's attack drones
      [X] Cycle through different frequencies to minimize the risk of projectiles getting through
      [X] Hyperburst. If synching the shield takes long enough that it can't be toggled between shots then minimizing the time between shots can reduce the risk without sacrificing potential damage.
      [X] Improve the fire control loop and integrate it with the shield control so that the shield drop is timed with the beginning of actual firing.
      [X] Layered shielding, such as a field between Judge and her weapons that covers the frequency ignored for weapon firing.
      [X] Some sort of stealth system to allow Judge to break off when taking significant fire and reposition.
      [X] Increase Judge's mobility such that she can still "attack" with her shield at 100% by ramming things.
      [X] Goliaths. Well, if she is invincible with her shield up, why don't we make it easy for her to call our favorite suicide bots onto her own position? That's more than enough firepower to blast through whatever would have forced a retreat and no risk of friendly fire unlike most times Goliaths get used.
      [X] Adjust the plasma and shield wave characteristics such that the plasma passes through the shield unaffected, so long as the weapon fires a certain distance from the shield. Adjust the weapon parameters to ensure that the weapon only fires at that distance.
      [X] Hologram generator that can hide Judge's plasma fire and/or generate decoy weapons fire.
      [X] Turn the shield itself into a melee weapon somehow?
      [X] Weapons that are attached to the shield itself. Most of the weapon is inside the shield, leading to a magnetically attached interface that glides along the surface of the shield, and then the firing end of the weapon sticks out. This does make the weapons themselves a weak point, but the interface is designed to fail-safe so that if it breaks, the shield closes over where the weapon was.
      [X] Two shields bubbles? Layered shield bubbles?
      [X] Directional shield generators. Instead of one single shield that covers all angles, have multiple smaller shields that each cover a specific angle. Only the shields that are being fired through need to be weakened, while the other shield sections can remain at 100%.
      [x] Hyperburst Plasma gun. Hyperburst is a type of burst fire where said burst happens so quickly that you only feel one recoil impulse. In other words with Hyperburst every round of that burst will hit exactly where you aimed.
      [X] Flash Bang - When ringleader fires, A bright light flashes around her causing problems and making shots miss more. Can be controlled by ringleader. Eye protection included.
      [X] Shrink shield - You don't need a large shield. Making it smaller would help with any power problems during sync
      [X] Spring Boots - Why be stationary when you can be jumping high and move around more. More angles to shoot.
      [X] Sync regulator - The sync is the problem and a bug is shown. Have a small micro controller or a micro processor to regulate the bug to keep shields fully functional
      [X] Power Converter/regulator - There is a power deficent when the gun fires.
      [X] Reset Shields: If possible, duplicate the projectors of the force field. Once the shield strength is low, switch to the fresh set of emitters.
      [X] Defensive Measures: Some of these ideas require at least a brief period of vulnerability. Cover for it by installing various defensive measures, such as smoke launchers, chaff and flares.
      [X] angle the shield. It takes less energy to deflect, than to stop entire.
      [x] Plasma mortars: adding an arc to her shots is useful in one of two ways. If her shield is a singular plane she can fire over her defenses without lowering them. if it is 360, then we can combine this with the below idea.
      [x] Firing slits, instead of weakening the entire shield, refine it to only weaken a section of it, narrowing the target she can be hit from. If combined with Plasma mortars the firing window can be placed that incoming fire can not hit her through it.
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    oh hey, I'm dumb, I added new ideas as a new vote instead of adding them to my first vote, so it is not showing the below ideas I pitched.


    random_npc said:
    ok lets get this written out as a vote. One thing to keep in mind, if Judge is on the field shits gone wrong, and she is starting down overwhelming enemy presence.

    [x] deplorable shield drone, by which I mean a slab of armor with hover systems. Plant it down when she opens fire and she now has a lot of armor between herself and incoming fire. Ideally incorporate an ability to replace the shield once one is worn away.

    [x] re-work plasma weapons fire cycle for a long charge time followed by a burst of sufficient intensity to suppress enemy fire. Would likely need to be combined with some other mitigation method. Even if suppression is not possible, less frequent but impactful barrrages makes any other fix more effective.

    [x] smoke grenades and some form of sensor upgrade to allow Judge to see through her own smoke. Either goggles or small disposable camera drones.

    [x] develop a fast mortar carrier to deploy behind her to ensure she always has fire support. The shield allows visual light through, thus a laser target designator that works through it should be trivial, or even unneeded if she can eyeball it on her own. Sufficient mortar fire should force the enemy to keep there head down while Judge opens fire.

    [x] Jet assisted mobility. In theory, she should be able to use her shield to protect herself from any crashes right? the ability to just ram motherfuckers is a way to attack safely, and the extreme mobility would allow her maneuver to firing positions that limit return fire.

    [x] Demoloition charges. it's unclear if the shield is fully sealed or not, but if it is not, Judge could drop demo charges danger close, and then set them off as soon as their outside her shield. While short ranged it would be a way to attack without


    @Solark I just realized something, is Judges shield a 360 sphere or a single plane? Because I've been assuming it's a sphere of some kind, but if its a flat plane then there are more options.
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    Am I the only one that thought about fixing the power fluctuating on the shield when a gun is firing? I only see added stuff and yet no fix besides my possible votes?

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    NVM there is one other attempt
     
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    random_npc said:
    oh hey, I'm dumb, I added new ideas as a new vote instead of adding them to my first vote, so it is not showing the below ideas I pitched.
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    I don't know if it matters or not, but I did the same thing. I made three separate posts, so these two aren't in the tally either.
    Derpmind said:
    [X] Make her a MITHRIL armored suit.

    Not an ideal solution by any measure, but sometimes the simple and straightforward options should be considered, too. (Though this might not be good enough at all, mind.)
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    Derpmind said:
    [X] Multiple shield generators, one for herself, one for each of her weapons. Have each weapon use hover stuff to move independently.
    [X] Some kind of bullet or other projectile that can pass through the shields without disrupting them.
    [X] Tune the plasma throwers so they weaken the shield enough to pass through, but only through the area they fire through.

    Ideas -> Wall.
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    I should've unchecked "newest votes only". Here.
    Adhoc vote count started by Solark on Nov 22, 2024 at 1:52 PM, finished with 28 posts and 12 votes.
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      [X] Find a way to increase the hover range of Judge's weapons, so they can fire from outside the shield
      [X] Find a way to adjust the shape of the shield bubble on the fly so that Judge's weapons can fire from outside the shield
      [X] Modify the shield shape to allow two ''Firing Ports'' with lower effectiveness to let the plasma through, while keeping the rest of the force field at 100%.
      [X] Make her a MITHRIL armored suit.
      [X] Two shields using the anti grav tech oroboros uses for her gun platforms.
      [X] directional shield mode and an indirect fire weapon
      [X] Give her Scarecrow's attack drones
      [X] Multiple shield generators, one for herself, one for each of her weapons. Have each weapon use hover stuff to move independently.
      [X] Some kind of bullet or other projectile that can pass through the shields without disrupting them.
      [X] Tune the plasma throwers so they weaken the shield enough to pass through, but only through the area they fire through.
      [X] Cycle through different frequencies to minimize the risk of projectiles getting through
      [X] Hyperburst. If synching the shield takes long enough that it can't be toggled between shots then minimizing the time between shots can reduce the risk without sacrificing potential damage.
      [X] Improve the fire control loop and integrate it with the shield control so that the shield drop is timed with the beginning of actual firing.
      [X] Layered shielding, such as a field between Judge and her weapons that covers the frequency ignored for weapon firing.
      [X] Some sort of stealth system to allow Judge to break off when taking significant fire and reposition.
      [X] Increase Judge's mobility such that she can still "attack" with her shield at 100% by ramming things.
      [X] Goliaths. Well, if she is invincible with her shield up, why don't we make it easy for her to call our favorite suicide bots onto her own position? That's more than enough firepower to blast through whatever would have forced a retreat and no risk of friendly fire unlike most times Goliaths get used.
      [X] Adjust the plasma and shield wave characteristics such that the plasma passes through the shield unaffected, so long as the weapon fires a certain distance from the shield. Adjust the weapon parameters to ensure that the weapon only fires at that distance.
      [X] Hologram generator that can hide Judge's plasma fire and/or generate decoy weapons fire.
      [X] Turn the shield itself into a melee weapon somehow?
      [X] Weapons that are attached to the shield itself. Most of the weapon is inside the shield, leading to a magnetically attached interface that glides along the surface of the shield, and then the firing end of the weapon sticks out. This does make the weapons themselves a weak point, but the interface is designed to fail-safe so that if it breaks, the shield closes over where the weapon was.
      [X] Two shields bubbles? Layered shield bubbles?
      [X] Directional shield generators. Instead of one single shield that covers all angles, have multiple smaller shields that each cover a specific angle. Only the shields that are being fired through need to be weakened, while the other shield sections can remain at 100%.
      [X] barrel extenders that touch up against the shield and (waveguide?) destabilize/weaken/open the shield only where bullets are going through.
      [X] strengthen the magnetic field around the plasma shots so they can pass through a full(-er?) power shield.
      [X] add a second generator that opens/closes earlier than the first, narrowing the 'both open' window and faking a more responsive shot-sync capacity.
      [X] (joking (mostly)) "How to Dodge", "How to Take Cover", "Covering Fire and You" pamphlet trio.
      [X] one of those armored tower-shield things, carry it inside the shield bubble.
      [X] multiple layered shields. Two 60% shields should stop 84% of fire, three should stop 93.6%.
      [X] decoys to draw fire. Would need own shields and (holographic? weaker shots tuned to pass through shield?) ability to replicate visual effect of Judge's weapon firing.
      [x] Hyperburst Plasma gun. Hyperburst is a type of burst fire where said burst happens so quickly that you only feel one recoil impulse. In other words with Hyperburst every round of that burst will hit exactly where you aimed.
      [X] Flash Bang - When ringleader fires, A bright light flashes around her causing problems and making shots miss more. Can be controlled by ringleader. Eye protection included.
      [X] Shrink shield - You don't need a large shield. Making it smaller would help with any power problems during sync
      [X] Spring Boots - Why be stationary when you can be jumping high and move around more. More angles to shoot.
      [X] Sync regulator - The sync is the problem and a bug is shown. Have a small micro controller or a micro processor to regulate the bug to keep shields fully functional
      [X] Power Converter/regulator - There is a power deficent when the gun fires.
      [X] Reset Shields: If possible, duplicate the projectors of the force field. Once the shield strength is low, switch to the fresh set of emitters.
      [X] Defensive Measures: Some of these ideas require at least a brief period of vulnerability. Cover for it by installing various defensive measures, such as smoke launchers, chaff and flares.
      [x] deplorable shield drone, by which I mean a slab of armor with hover systems. Plant it down when she opens fire and she now has a lot of armor between herself and incoming fire. Ideally incorporate an ability to replace the shield once one is worn away.
      [x] re-work plasma weapons fire cycle for a long charge time followed by a burst of sufficient intensity to suppress enemy fire. Would likely need to be combined with some other mitigation method. Even if suppression is not possible, less frequent but impactful barrrages makes any other fix more effective.
      [x] smoke grenades and some form of sensor upgrade to allow Judge to see through her own smoke. Either goggles or small disposable camera drones.
      [x] develop a fast mortar carrier to deploy behind her to ensure she always has fire support. The shield allows visual light through, thus a laser target designator that works through it should be trivial, or even unneeded if she can eyeball it on her own. Sufficient mortar fire should force the enemy to keep there head down while Judge opens fire.
      [x] Jet assisted mobility. In theory, she should be able to use her shield to protect herself from any crashes right? the ability to just ram motherfuckers is a way to attack safely, and the extreme mobility would allow her maneuver to firing positions that limit return fire.
      [x] Demoloition charges. it's unclear if the shield is fully sealed or not, but if it is not, Judge could drop demo charges danger close, and then set them off as soon as their outside her shield. While short ranged it would be a way to attack without
      [X] angle the shield. It takes less energy to deflect, than to stop entire.
      [x] Plasma mortars: adding an arc to her shots is useful in one of two ways. If her shield is a singular plane she can fire over her defenses without lowering them. if it is 360, then we can combine this with the below idea.
      [x] Firing slits, instead of weakening the entire shield, refine it to only weaken a section of it, narrowing the target she can be hit from. If combined with Plasma mortars the firing window can be placed that incoming fire can not hit her through it.
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    • I should have posted this before we took on Judge's request... well, at least now I can give you better examples. Let's talk about science fiction and outright BS tech and how to brainstorm such requests.

    1. Like before, there are hints in the text.

    Consider this:
    As far as you can see, the field is in a perfect state when at 100%, but an intentional imperfection is introduced during firing sequences, weakening it just enough to allow the magnetic confinement of the plasma shots to pass through unhindered. It's not a bad solution, ancient aircrafts had machine guns firing through the props synced with its rotation to avoid hitting the blades. However, the imperfection can't be introduced instantly. It takes a couple of seconds for the field to decay, so shot-by-shot sync is not feasible. There is nothing you can do to change it.

    So, per-shot sync works, but the decay mechanics can't be changed. This is our starting point.

    Possible reasoning process 1: Ok, aircraft interrupter gear works because the blades are either in the way or not, i.e. binary states. Then, why don't we
    [X] Turn the force field generator off and on instead of introducing imperfection.

    Possible reasoning process 2: Imperfection is too slow, what else can we change? Why imperfection in the first place? We have the generator, so maybe we can just
    [X] Cut power to the force field generator, shoot, power it up again.

    2. Like before, thinking big, beyond the request wording is a good idea.

    Possible reasoning process 3:     Judge has dual heavy plasma throwers, sounds like something that melts a T-Doll with a single hit. But she gets damaged so much that she's forced to retreat, which means she's shooting for extended periods and there are still enemies that fire back. Why? Is something wrong with her weapons? Her aim? Is her field truly invincible when up?
    [X] Look into why Judge can't wipe out the opposition before taking too much damage.
    (The hyperburst idea is close enough result-wise)

    3. Clever but simple tech-independent solutions.
    You're doing excellent in this category, and came up with lots of good ones for this request, keep it up!
     
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    Possible reasoning process 1: Ok, aircraft interrupter gear works because the blades are either in the way or not, i.e. binary states. Then, why don't we
    [X] Turn the force field generator off and on instead of introducing imperfection.

    Possible reasoning process 2: Imperfection is too slow, what else can we change? Why imperfection in the first place? We have the generator, so maybe we can just
    [X] Cut power to the force field generator, shoot, power it up again.
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    Probably too late, but knowing this, I'd guess one solution is to have two generators: Time it so that one generator shuts off, plasma gets fired, then the second generator turns on, minimizing delay as much as possible for each step. If it takes time for the generator to warm up, then the second can be getting ready to go even before the first generator shuts off.

    I suppose one assumption we had was that, since the current shield never shut off, the shield had to stay on constantly for some reason. It took time to activate or recharge, or it took time to shut down, or some other reason. If it's as fast to turn off and on as flicking a switch, then why would it slowly weaken itself to pass plasma fire through instead?
     
    [x] Change the method of the plasma weapon to something that is not blocked by the shield at 100%?
     
    Derpmind said:
    Probably too late, but knowing this, I'd guess one solution is to have two generators: Time it so that one generator shuts off, plasma gets fired, then the second generator turns on, minimizing delay as much as possible for each step. If it takes time for the generator to warm up, then the second can be getting ready to go even before the first generator shuts off.
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    Too late to affect the outcome for this request, but still an interesting point. As I see it, it could work with one generator, since on-off transitions would be much faster if not instant. I'm surprised to see many advanced solutions while the most straight-forward one wasn't mentioned. I mean, it was supposed to be an obvious bad design that needed a fix rather than a workaround.

    Derpmind said:
    I suppose one assumption we had was that, since the current shield never shut off, the shield had to stay on constantly for some reason. It took time to activate or recharge, or it took time to shut down, or some other reason. If it's as fast to turn off and on as flicking a switch, then why would it slowly weaken itself to pass plasma fire through instead?
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    To keep 60% protection, which may be justified or required at some situations (think radiation, hazardous environments). But the main reason is... why didn't Destroyer have timed explosives? Why didn't Agent have gun cam-scopes? And so on. We have to fix something, and there are only so many problems I can come up with that don't assume initial questionable design choices.
     
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    Derpmind said:
    Probably too late, but knowing this, I'd guess one solution is to have two generators: Time it so that one generator shuts off, plasma gets fired, then the second generator turns on, minimizing delay as much as possible for each step.
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    Fear not, I suggested exactly that. Via instability introduction, at least.

    I didn't even consider shutting the generator off entirely. I thought ending an instability would be inherently faster than dropping/raising the shield entirely. Also, shields in-game take so long to establish (or restart after getting battered down) (like multiple seconds) that I just assumed that that operation was incompatible with the split-second timing of firing a bullet.

    Solark said:
    I'm surprised to see many advanced solutions while the most straight-forward one wasn't mentioned
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    I guess we just have some mismatch in our base assumptions.
     
    TeaMug said:
    I didn't even consider shutting the generator off entirely. I thought ending an instability would be inherently faster than dropping/raising the shield entirely.
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    There was another option I'd have accepted instead: imperfection to weaken the field to zero instead of to 60%, which would work similarly to LCD gray-to-gray vs black-to-white transitions (the latter can be an order of magnitude faster).

    By the way, I never mentioned recovery time, it might be instant as is. The text says Judge is vulnerable when firing, and a couple of seconds before it.
     
    Solark said:
    (the latter can be an order of magnitude faster).
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    Really! Huh. Today I learned.

    (Edit: Oh, I get it. It's because you can just ramp that voltage, instead of waiting for the liquid crystals to settle at a slightly different potential. This supposition has not been verified)

    Mechasaurian said:
    Wish I'd given a vote for the armour. Oh well.
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    Don't worry, this was a brainstorming round. As long as somebody suggested armor, it counts, and we had several varieties of armor suggested.
     
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    Solark said:
    Too late to affect the outcome for this request, but still an interesting point. As I see it, it could work with one generator, since on-off transitions would be much faster if not instant. I'm surprised to see many advanced solutions while the most straight-forward one wasn't mentioned. I mean, it was supposed to be an obvious bad design that needed a fix rather than a workaround.
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    I think the issue is it's a forcefield system, we don't know much about it. For example how fast does it cycle? can you put a forcefield inside another forcefield? can non plasma matter pass through it without issue? etc etc. Its the issue when dealing with technology somewhat removed from the real world.
     
    random_npc said:
    I think the issue is it's a forcefield system, we don't know much about it. For example how fast does it cycle? can you put a forcefield inside another forcefield? can non plasma matter pass through it without issue? etc etc. Its the issue when dealing with technology somewhat removed from the real world.
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    Of course, you're right. That's why brainstorm ideas are free and not limited by anything. Not sure? Suggest it anyway! It's essentially a chance to define how it works rather than guess what's in my head. I'm looking for clever reasoning, comprehensive analysis and real-world parallels.
     
    Yeah, it looks like Architect this time came up with plenty of solutions other than the obvious one. Which, fair enough.
     
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