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Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 6: Fatal Fires Flagrantly Fry Frantic Friends, Family

Technically we all cease to exist as who we were with every miniscule change in our existences, every moment. The pattern changes ever-so-slightly, and it is no longer the same pattern.

So really outside consulting the alignments of Nirvishesha (which may or may not have influence here) there is no value in discussing whether Taylor's 'identity' is the same as Enduring Order Administrator's. Only whether the individuals involved think there is 'identity' matters.
 
Every experience changes us, the more profound or traumatic the experience, the greater the change. I'd say dying in a locker full of excrement, getting your soul ripped out of your body through your forehead, meeting a clockwork Unicron and getting reincarnated as some steampunk fetishist's wet dream qualifies as both.

But regardless of our experiences, the core of who a person rarely changes, so while Weaver is drastically different from the traumatized girl who died in that locker, she is still very much Taylor Hebert. Especially since her memories are the only ones in her shard, so there's no previous lives muddying the water.
 
So this is a more determined and psychologically stable Taylor. Still seems like an improved Taylor to me.
 
Except both of them had their own individual memories, and The only Memories knocking around in EOA's noggin are Taylor's. We won't be getting into some weird Avatar expy unless Taylor gets ganked and the EOD exaltation moves on to another host.
 
Dammit Menma, I know what I know, stop trying to confuse me with the facts. EOA's actions are all based off of Taylor's memories and attitudes. Granted those attitudes have been shifted somewhat, so no more nihilism or suicidal tendencies. At the very LEAST, EOA is a template of an idealised Taylor, and as far as she is concerned she literally IS Taylor.
 
Menma said:
EOA has no demonstrated deathwish. (so far.)
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Except for, you know, that whole "yeah, I can just distract Behemoth by myself" thing she had going there. Nothing even remotely suicidal about that, no siree.
 
Hmm, from that post I think we're basically saying the same thing, just confusing the hell out of each other.
.IronSun. said:
Every experience changes us, the more profound or traumatic the experience, the greater the change. I'd say dying in a locker full of excrement, getting your soul ripped out of your body through your forehead, meeting a clockwork Unicron and getting reincarnated as some steampunk fetishist's wet dream qualifies as both.

But regardless of our experiences, the core of who a person rarely changes, so while Weaver is drastically different from the traumatized girl who died in that locker, she is still very much Taylor Hebert. Especially since her memories are the only ones in her shard, so there's no previous lives muddying the water.
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What happened in the locker was extremely traumatic and profoundly altered her underlying psyche. The Taylor who died in the locker and Weaver/Enduring Order Administrator are tow very different people, but at the very core of her being Weaver is still Taylor.
 
Didn't grom flat out say that EOA and Taylor are different? I may be wrong but it was at least hinted at heavily.
 
Harish said:
Didn't from flat out say that EOA and Taylor are different? I may be wrong but it was at least hinted at heavily.
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We all agree they're different. I think the argument right now is exactly HOW different, and whether EOA is a reincarnated Taylor, or just THINKS she is, or something somewhere in the middle.
 
Menma said:
Admittedly, that decision was made with a bit of outsider knowledge, since the option traded some limited damage to the city in exchange for not getting smashed into bits.

Was it suicidal or was it a calculated risk?. it's a pretty pointless debate considering the character is run by committee.
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I'm honestly surprised Taylor didn't die horribly in the first week.
 
It's one of those discussions that will never have a satisfactory answer until you can settle on a definition of "identity", "self", etc.

And the soulgem provided both the hun and po soul. Under Exalted mechanics, humans have both, but in Creation the hun soul is recycled in Lethe whereas the po soul is unique to each incarnation and fades away (or becomes a ghost) after death. In Autochthonia the reincarnation system works a bit differently and the hun and po souls remain connected between incarnations.
 
Menma said:
EOA wasnt born with an intimacy of fear towards Taylors bullies (an intimacy that Taylor almost certainly had.)
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Not a comment on anything else, but this detail is incorrect. The character sheet originally had something like Terrible Trio (fear), but it was lost when Taylor decided to forgive them for her father's sake (that worked out well).

As far as continuity between Taylor and EOA goes, I'm pretty sure that most Raksha would agree that they are the same person.

Then again, they would probably say that about someone wearing a Taylor mask.
 
unless this is one of those situations where the room full of chimpanzees actually manage to type out one of Shakespeare's plays. Eventually even the SIDEREALS have to get something right.
 
.IronSun. said:
unless this is one of those situations where the room full of chimpanzees actually manage to type out one of Shakespeare's plays. Eventually even the SIDEREALS have to get something right.
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The shit will still hit the fan at some point. Our current success just means it hasn't done so yet. Or it has, but we don't (yet) know about it.
 
DragonBard said:
Given the way things are, I suggest we pull an Iron Man, and create specialty armors. One will be our go-to armor for everyday stuff.

Second armor will be the present one, specifically for Behemoth.

Next two will be built to specialize against Levi and Smurf respectively.

That way, situation comes up, we pull out the armor (or modules) that best fit, and go to town.

Maybe a mix of Centurions and Iron Man would we closer, with the mix and match aspect.
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Our armor is modular, so we don't need a whole new suit for every purpose. Just plug in the upgrades you need and jet.

Mind you, some kind of armory rig that can automate hot loading armor modules on the fly would be pretty damn useful. Or maybe with enough practice and some tinkering we could absorb and extrude needed upgrades at will. Probably would be difficult as hell if not flat out impossible to master, but if we pulled it off we'd be insanely adaptable in combat and would be able to adjust almost instantly to any given development in the field.
 
now now, don't diss the sidereals. This thing that sidereals plan don't work is getting stupid. Remember that they planned the slaughter of the deliberative and it worked.
The problem with plans made by the entire fellowship is the collateral.

This by the way is exactly how spacebattles tends to work. We make complicated stupid plans that somehow end up working, by the price of ridiculous collateral damage.
 
xenondestroyer said:
now now, don't diss the sidereals. This thing that sidereals plan don't work is getting stupid. Remember that they planned the slaughter of the deliberative and it worked.
The problem with plans made by the entire fellowship is the collateral.

This by the way is exactly how spacebattles tends to work. We make complicated stupid plans that somehow end up working, by the price of ridiculous collateral damage.
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And we wouldn't want it any other way.
 
wingnut2292 said:
I'd rather we take our destiny and forge a fated daiklave out of it. Those things are useful.
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We can't use our Destiny, which is our projected future in the local Loom-equivalent, but we could use our Fate, which is basically the symbolic thread representing said future in the aforementioned Loom. Unfortunately - or not - we don't have access to said Loom, if it even exists, and even if it did and we did, we're lacking in both the tools and the skills needed to Craft Fate.

Besides, if we're going to forge anything out of our Fate, it will be a bridge which we will then use to Summon Bigger Fish Autobot.
 
Lord Sia said:
We can't use our Destiny, which is our projected future in the local Loom-equivalent, but we could use our Fate, which is basically the symbolic thread representing said future in the aforementioned Loom. Unfortunately - or not - we don't have access to said Loom, if it even exists, and even if it did and we did, we're lacking in both the tools and the skills needed to Craft Fate.

Besides, if we're going to forge anything out of our Fate, it will be a bridge which we will then use to Summon Bigger Fish Autobot.
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So wait, in Exalted, you can actually take future-state reality (fate, destiny, etc.) and make physical objects out of it??

I know I shouldn't be surprised, but that sounds totally badass.
 
BobTheNinja said:
So wait, in Exalted, you can actually take future-state reality (fate, destiny, etc.) and make physical objects out of it??

I know I shouldn't be surprised, but that sounds totally badass.
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Yep. Pretty damn useful too. They can either A) Drag something Outside of Fate Inside and then make all attack rolls at Target Number 6, B) skip dragging something inside of Fate, but still roll Target Number 6 against creatures Outside of Fate, or C) Roll Target Number 5 against a specific category of beings Outside of Fate(Demons, Fae, etc).
 
DragonBard said:
With our Clarity as high as it is, we're going to loose our intimacy to Danny before this battle is over.

I hope enough of us can start building up votes to get Taylor working to bring it back up.
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No.

He's gone, and I prefer it that way.
 
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