Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 23: We Wonder Where Who Wanders When Watchers Wane

Pre-Vote Running Tally: Who Are Your Top 3 Choices For Orichalcum?


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Hardly. Stop deliberately misinterpreting my words.
o_O
No offense, but these are your words:
You are still ignoring the differentiation between Cauldron cape vs. Natural cape, I see. And a "Wow, I'm super beautiful" power isn't going to be really happening during something like the S9 imo. Wrong environmental aspects.
What differentiation? Are you claiming that there are powers/effects exclusive to Cauldron capes?
If you are, which ones are they?
If not, then why would you claim that there is any difference in powers between natural and Cauldron capes?

On a more serious note, I imagined this less as "Taylor is sitting back at base and letting other people do the hard work while she coordinates" and more "Taylor is trying to do too many things at once, and really doesn't have time for this gang BS in-person, but Autochthon help her she will come over there and deal with it if she has to."
You are missing my point, which probably means I didn't do a good enough job of putting it forward.:(

There are going to be people freezing to death/dying of preventable causes if the city's infrastructure is not up and running ASAP.
Especially since this is a northeastern winter.
Which means this will be Taylor's operational priority, and is supported by her Virtues of Compassion and Valor.

That suggests to me that the narrative focus will/should be less on her fighting crime and more about rebuilding Philadelphia; keeping the crime rate low would be to smooth the work of the construction workers and refugees, not an end in itself.
At least, that's my thinking.

...In other words, admit that they are a Cape? Yeah, great way to keep a secret ID :rolleyes:.
Actually an excellent way to keep a secret ID: hide a big secret with a small one.
A mostly innocuous, low-level power has solid precedent; parahumans used to work in Hollywood and the entertainment industry on the back of such powers. Still do, if Canary's choice of career is any example.

Having parahuman friends is not so much an issue for civilians; Gallant's civilian identity dated Glory Girl pretty openly, IIRC.
The point is to keep the fact that they're Alchemicals secret.
I mean, you use Oliver as an example - but even he had 'shapeshifting' powers, albeit of minimal use due to the fact that he only had half a vial (which is not something basically anyone else would get).
Why do you think that the good looks power is somehow unique to Oliver, and there are no equivalents among natural capes?
Is Genesis the only projectionist we know? Or is Ballistic the only telekinetic Blaster?
Is Cody the only time user? Is Krouse the only teleporter?

I mean, we quite literally see Glaistig Uaine/Valkyrie sculpt her looks at will to look like a beautiful nineteen year old Chooser of The Slain with wings.
Using the powers of a cape she claimed.
 
First pass:
Your drone hovers over the firefight, between the officers sheltering in the burnt-out storefront and the gang members shooting from the alley. Some of your frustration and exhaustion bleed into your echoing voice. "This is Weaver of the Philadelphia Wards. Are you going to stop and come quietly, or should I make you?" An ominous buzz accompanies your words.
Second pass:

STUNT
Your drone settles on a construction crane, between the officers sheltering the construction workers and the gang members starting to loot their equipment. Frustration bleeds into the voice from your gathering swarm as you speak. "This is Weaver of the Philadelphia Wards. Are you going to put that down and come quietly, or will I have to make you?"
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What differentiation? Are you claiming that there are powers/effects exclusive to Cauldron capes?
If you are, which ones are they?
If not, then why would you claim that there is any difference in powers between natural and Cauldron capes?

Why do you think that the good looks power is somehow unique to Oliver, and there are no equivalents among natural capes?
This has (little) to do with Cauldron vials vs natural triggers, and far more to do with the fact that Oliver didn't really get a vial. So, yes, I don't think there's going to be the equivalent of an essentially dilute not even really a power. Now:
I mean, we quite literally see Glaistig Uaine/Valkyrie sculpt her looks at will to look like a beautiful nineteen year old Chooser of The Slain with wings.
Using the powers of a cape she claimed.
This I don't deny - a more useful version of Oliver's power? Almost certainly exists. But it's just that - more useful, likely more along the veins of shapeshifting (i.e. probably something like a Parahuman equivalent of HSA), rather than what Oliver has.

And even ignoring that, I doubt anyone would believe that it was just 'looking good', anyway - I know I wouldn't believe them. Look at Canary as an example - powers have uses, even if people don't actively utilise them or reveal them.
Actually an excellent way to keep a secret ID: hide a big secret with a small one.
A mostly innocuous, low-level power has solid precedent; parahumans used to work in Hollywood and the entertainment industry on the back of such powers. Still do, if Canary's choice of career is any example.
No, I got what you were going for. I just doubt its ability to work - claim you're a Cape with the ability to look good. OK, minor Parahuman in Hollywood or modelling or something...no, nothing there. I mean, it might work, but I doubt it'd be worth the hassle of trying to pass off another secret.
 
This has (little) to do with Cauldron vials vs natural triggers, and far more to do with the fact that Oliver didn't really get a vial. So, yes, I don't think there's going to be the equivalent of an essentially dilute not even really a power. Now:
Dude, that's a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of a vial.
You had two people sharing a vial that wasn't designed for them; the fact that they got off as well as they did is a miracle(or Act of Ziz, who knows).
I mean, Noelle got the other half of the "essentially dilute not even really a power" vial, and she was horrifically powerful.

This I don't deny - a more useful version of Oliver's power? Almost certainly exists. But it's just that - more useful, likely more along the veins of shapeshifting (i.e. probably something like a Parahuman equivalent of HSA), rather than what Oliver has.
Again, not how it works.
Canary literally manifested with a power that improved her singing; it was even what she went to Cauldron for!

And even ignoring that, I doubt anyone would believe that it was just 'looking good', anyway
Canary had a moderately successful music career on a voice that just made you feel good.
Noone believed she could do anything else until her boyfriend incident, not even her.

Panacea operated in BB for months, if not years, healing people by touch.
Nooned figured she could do more than that, not even her folks.
Took Bonesaw to consider it.

The credulity of people in Worm is a well-established facet of the setting.
And for good reason; when there is no evidence of anything, suspicion just makes you paranoid.
 
[X] Bonus Point: Backing(PRT) 5
[X] Saki maintains her old Secret/Civilian Identity
[X] Saki's 'Everyday' Look: Post-Surgery Saki ("Professionally Pretty," App 4)
[X] Push SoPA Sometimes: Philadelphia Crime HIGH, Reconstruction LOW, SoPA Full Recovery ETA 4 Weeks
[X] Let Lord Grasp rest and recharge in TwinSpace regularly, allow him to come and go when he pleases.
-[X] Stunt: New York has seen many strange things on its streets to date. But a car sized scorpion amiably trundling through it's streets, bedecked in brilliant logos and stopping every so often to examine points of interest with a bemused Clockblocker waving atop was not something you see on the typical Tuesday evening.
[X] EOA - Free Action: "Current status, Sergeant Powell?" "Weaver. Glad you're here. Cape's on the top floor of the complex with hostages. Possible Master. Too many sight lines to catch them unaware." She nodded grimly, turning to the troopers with her and touching them each with her fingertip. "Don't worry, Sergeant. We'll handle this," she said before they all vanished from sight.
[X] FPoP - Free Action: "Wyld was hesitant with Bulldozer's… condition, but... s-said maybe-," Willow started. A large cerulean hand gently enveloped her fragile shoulder, stopping its shaking. "The tree bends but does not break, young Willow. Nor does it stand alone." Vajra turned to the wall of teleconferencing Case-53s. Each needful. Each hoping. "I believe the PRT will heed me better now."
[X] WoRI - Free Action: "Oww. Thanks, Saki," Missy said as the other Ward lowered her onto the sofa. "They got the worst out, but I'm still sore in places. I just wish the Common Room had better furniture." Saki felt a pressure on her prison charm, and a smile crept up her face. "Um. I know someone who can help with that, Missy."
[X] EOA - 4 XP - Occult ●●●●●
[X] FPoP - 4XP - Presence ●●●○○
[X] WoRI - 2 XP - Investigation (Body Language ●●○)


Nobody threw up a stunt for Lord Grasp yet? I'll have him survey the city and start on learning local culture. With a native guide.
 
-[X] Stunt: New York has seen many strange things on its streets to date. But a car sized scorpion amiably trundling through it's streets, bedecked in brilliant logos and stopping every so often to examine points of interest with a bemused Clockblocker waving atop was not something you see on the typical Tuesday evening.

My only question is, is the world ready for this?
 
I mean, Noelle got the other half of the "essentially dilute not even really a power" vial, and she was horrifically powerful.
No, Noelle got the 'power' part - i.e. they didn't mix up the 'power' and 'balance'. Noelle got the actual formula, without any balance - hence very powerful ability, with commensurately high mutations. Oliver just got the balance (or Human).
Canary literally manifested with a power that improved her singing; it was even what she went to Cauldron for!
That also has a Master effect - which was my point. Point on people not knowing about it - but they do now.
 
*looks at Noelle's gradual transformation and loss of sanity*
Got off well, eh? Interesting definition.
Dude, Noelle was DYING.
She sustained life-threatening injuries in Wisconsin.
After taking the vial, she survived an extra 5 2 years before losing it in BB and getting mercykilled.

Note that Genesis took her vial, but it didn't actually heal her; she's still in a wheelchair.
So yes, she got off pretty well for someone who popped vials designed for other people; they all did.

That also has a Master effect - which was my point. Point on people not knowing about it - but they do now.
My point is that people take powers at face value.
Noone looks at Uber and assumes that he's hiding some world-defining power under his ability to learn one technique at a time.
Because that would be paranoia without actual evidence.

[X] EOA - 4 XP - Occult ●●●●●
This really isn't immediately important.
It's fully trained, so doesn't need further training.
Nor is Taylor currently engaged in stuff that requires Occult.
 
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Dude, the cost of raising those individually would literally buy a Rating 5 Background from scratch.

Yes. Unfortunately, we have no idea when (heck, or even IF) background 5 becomes available. It might eventually, but that might be in thread 30 for all I know. Getting Prayer into a high position NOW is more valuable to me than a minor and boring bump to her intelligence.


Hmm. Also, as a separate sidenote, I just really looked at the thread title for the first time. Where exactly is Who anyway?

She already has Backing 4 PRT.
She is already working the equivalent of two fulltime jobs in the PRT, spending 70 plus hours a week.

Yes I know, which is why I want the top level backing (ignoring N/A equivalents). If It was going from backing 3 to backing 4, I would probably be less interested.

Backing 5 requires a time commitment in excess of 100 hours a week.
There are 168 hours in a 7-day week.
Even with Saki playing drug pusher, Marrow would still need to sleep at least 28 hours every week.
Add feeding and grooming time, and her day is gone.

She might not get the entire lost 30 hours back, but she gets plenty more hours than others who work in Backing 5 (and there are many who do). Whats more, this point is rendered even MORE moot by the comment by Gromweld below (well above) about how we can once again have our cake and eat it too, by manipulating things so that those 100 hours are spent on Assembly related business and such.

Heck, Ally (Legend) is specifically mentioned by Gromweld, and its something I have actually been wanting for some time since Legend is a very powerfull and influental character with generally good ethics, who is not quite as committed to Cauldron as the others, and so could be "converted" more easily to the Autochtonian cause. Finally, we can eventually get Prayer the sleep avoidance charm too if necessary (though I admit that without an act of plot, this is only possible in the far distant).

You may have missed this, but Alexandria is a bachelorette for a reason.

Actually, I think Gromweld said Alexandria basically has backing 5 in both Cauldron AND PRT. Basically, Prayers time would obviously become more limited, but I don't believe she would lose the ability to interact with people entirely. ESPECIALLY if we use other backgrounds to influence things as Gromweld said.

I personally follow this quest/game because it allows a balance between crisis and slice of life for all it's PoV characters.
Fridging Marrow for some nebulous idea of importance irks me.

Fair enough, though I don't really see it as putting her in the fridge. I don't believe Gromweld would just throw her into the bus, but would add new and interesting challenges and narratives that I would enjoy reading. Intelligence 4 seems boring in comparison (sorry). I guess this is one of those things were we disagree. :)

Furthermore, I urge you to go back and look at Marrow's Intimacies towards the PRT.

It is significantly more complicated than you seem to think.

Except in basically top position (ignoring N/A and such), she is in a far better position to start trying to actually change things. This is especially true with many of the charms Saki has available, which work on organizational level (the Taboo Inflicting Diatribe equivalents). Prayer and the assembly could basically slowly start turning PRT into something thats both better for the world overall and more suited to our goals aswell. Obviously it would be a slow process, but that only means its better to start early.

You may forget, but we just literally gave away three S-class criminals to Cauldron.

You mean the group the "civilian" leader of PRT has backing 5 in, and which Gromweld confirmed could influence PRT, making demotion or such virtually imposible for this act atleast? Not worried about that too much so long as Cauldron is not fully revealed (and if it is, we are screwed anyway since as you say, we did do that. For better or worse, we are tied to Cauldron now).


Um, plastic surgeons are literally a thing in modern society, you know?
You do not need parahuman powers to improve a person's looks, and the idea that a better looking person automatically screams Taylor isn't really a credible argument.

No, but surgery generally has its limits, and I figure reaching App 5 is up there.

Heck, look at the vote options themselves:
[ ] Saki's 'Everyday' Look: Post-Surgery Saki ("Professionally Pretty," App 4) <- APP 4 = surgery
[ ] Saki's 'Everyday' Look: Wyld-Touched Saki ("World-Class Beauty," App 5) <- APP 5 = mutated by magic

Taylor disagreed with you enough to spend time scanning everyone she came across for control implants.
Aisha carried an infiltrator bot inside herself into the hospital.
The Philly Phils were controlled and used as killbots. Bonesaw used multiple zombies.

How many of them had suddenly gone from APP 2 to APP 5, making it obvious to anyone with even normal eyes, that they would have undergone radical change? If anything, this kind of obvious change would be foolish for intended infiltrators, since it helps make it clear that somethings up to most, and draws attention even from those who don't realise the massive change. Attention which you don't want, when you can just use control implants and the like.

If your plan is to defend against Acts of Plot, you are missing the point of the quest.

More trying to minimize the obvious risks that I feel are unnecessary and not worth it.

I would have voted App 7 if both Twins were around.
Simply claimed that they gained powers during the Nine attack that makes them look super-beautiful, and leave it at that.

Eh, Sakura will also have App 7 too when she appears.
 
-[X] Stunt: New York has seen many strange things on its streets to date. But a car sized scorpion amiably trundling through it's streets, bedecked in brilliant logos and stopping every so often to examine points of interest with a bemused Clockblocker waving atop was not something you see on the typical Tuesday evening.
Wait, this one had a stunt? *Checks* Huh. Awesome :D . Will have to add.
 
Like the Manse set up and world migration operations?
Manse setup takes at least a month of chargeup time for Iris; Taylor is not involved in doing so.
NONE of that goes on in the immediate week or two post-Nine, which is when she'd be concentrating on the city of Philadelphia.

Will she need Occult 5 later? Yes.
But not in the immediate aftermath of the Philadelphia Incident.
It's the same reason why we haven't bought Integrity 5, despite it's applications in dealing with irascible 3CDs who have a direct link to your brain.
Completely wrong. She was injured in late 2009 and was killed in 2011, and started mutating shortly after taking the half-vial. Not long after that, she was unable to go places in public due to said mutations.
Correct.
She survived two years extra instead of dying in Madison for lack of medical care.
Again, STILL a vastly better outcome than she would otherwise have gotten in the post-Endbringer city of Madison, Wisconsin.
 
Dude, Noelle was DYING.
She sustained life-threatening injuries in Wisconsin.
After taking the vial, she survived an extra 5 2 years before losing it in BB and getting mercykilled.
Not exactly, Noelle was receiving medical attention and had just finished the first of the surgeries necessary to save her when Krouse gave her the Cauldron vial.
Migration 17.6 said:
"I could die," she said. Her voice was feeble, quiet. "They're cutting too much out, and they can't wait any longer, but my condition's bad, so I could die on the table."

"You're not going to die."

"And even if I live, I'm gonna be ugly. Nice big plastic plug in my belly, with a bag of shit attached. Which is really ironic, you don't even know…" she trailed off.

"I sort of figured it out," he said.

She nodded. "Big scars, bag of shit. Is why I wish we'd done more, before. Won't be any good to look at, after."

"I don't care about scars. But it doesn't matter anyways. You're not going to die, and you won't have scars. Or a colostomy bag."
Death was a possibility, but not a certainty.
 
Does he? He was kept in the dark and had seconds after he found out about stuff. But he still fell in line afterward.

True, however ultimately he did not have really have other options to choose from. Could he go "I quit" and basically make it more likely that the world would burn knowing what he knew? Could he attack Cauldron out of disgust and make the death of Earth and countless other Earths more likely? As far as he knew, he was choosing the lesser evil, because it was Scion and Cauldron. Really, Legend is by no means an incorruptible perfect hero that always knows and chooses the most noble path. But he is better than most by quite a bit.

However if we had a high ally status and a proven ways to hurt Scion and Endbringers (examples of this might be how VoV with barely any essence ripped an Entity Shard apart with ease, or the specific Entity-bane effects of the armor Iris made clearly demonstrate), and arguably (granted, we arent exactly super moral ourself, but still) more ethical way of saving the world?

Well, if instead the choice was between Scion, Cauldron and our Assembly/Auto? He might just decide to choose Auto instead, because he would have another valid choice capable of facing an Entity to choose from. Granted, Auto is not exactly a super-saint, but Legend would be dealing with our Assembly most of the time anyway.
 
STUNT
WoRI Stunt: Saki and the Wards attend the Calle Ocho street festival in Miami(Aegis special escort because he can speak Spanish)
Calle Ocho Sun Mar 13 2011(real annual festival, real date, 11am to 7pm)

[]Stunt: The giggling teenagers were herded out of the Miami crowd by Ernest and Carlos, their loud Hawaiian shirts darkened with sweat as Latin music made the air pulse. "Miamians can party", yelled Aisha as they stopped to get arepas from a stall vendor. Saki nodded, mouth too full to talk. Dennis returned with two concert fliers "Which next? Pitbull or Estefan?"
(61 words)

EDIT
Will put up a couple more stunts by nightfall, and then collate my vote.
 
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Wondering, do we have any plans to buy higher Cauldron Backing? I would feel at least 2 or 3 with them would be okay, as it would likely overlap time use with things we already want to do, helping the Protectorate/ Assembly things/ working to prep for Scion.
 
[X] Bonus Point: Backing(PRT) 5
[X] Saki maintains her old Secret/Civilian Identity
[X] Saki's 'Everyday' Look: Post-Surgery Saki ("Professionally Pretty," App 4)
[X] Push SoPA Sometimes: Philadelphia Crime HIGH, Reconstruction LOW, SoPA Full Recovery ETA 4 Weeks
[X] Let Lord Grasp rest and recharge in TwinSpace regularly, allow him to come and go when he pleases.
-[X] Stunt: New York has seen many strange things on its streets to date. But a car sized scorpion amiably trundling through it's streets, bedecked in brilliant logos and stopping every so often to examine points of interest with a bemused Clockblocker waving atop was not something you see on the typical Tuesday evening.
[X] EOA - Free Action: "Current status, Sergeant Powell?" "Weaver. Glad you're here. Cape's on the top floor of the complex with hostages. Possible Master. Too many sight lines to catch them unaware." She nodded grimly, turning to the troopers with her and touching them each with her fingertip. "Don't worry, Sergeant. We'll handle this," she said before they all vanished from sight.
[X] FPoP - Free Action: "Wyld was hesitant with Bulldozer's… condition, but... s-said maybe-," Willow started. A large cerulean hand gently enveloped her fragile shoulder, stopping its shaking. "The tree bends but does not break, young Willow. Nor does it stand alone." Vajra turned to the wall of teleconferencing Case-53s. Each needful. Each hoping. "I believe the PRT will heed me better now."
[X] WoRI - Free Action: "Oww. Thanks, Saki," Missy said as the other Ward lowered her onto the sofa. "They got the worst out, but I'm still sore in places. I just wish the Common Room had better furniture." Saki felt a pressure on her prison charm, and a smile crept up her face. "Um. I know someone who can help with that, Missy."
[X] EOA - 4 XP - Occult ●●●●●
[X] FPoP - 4XP - Presence ●●●○○
[X] WoRI - 2 XP - Investigation (Body Language ●●○)
 
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