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Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 14: Newborn Number Needs Nurturing, Nine Newcomers Near

sainen said:
that and we really couldn't take the PR hit exalting them would bring(which incidentally is also why Vista didn't make the short list of exalt candidates)
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Sorta. Gromweld confirms that if we wanted to exalt any Wards we need a diplomatic effort to convince their legal guardians and get enough PRT credit to be allowed. The minimum is legal guardian approval, we can weather the rest of the shitstorms, but the guardians are absolute.

Or do a battlefield conversion if they are dying or maimed.
 
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DonLyn said:
Don't think that will work, since she is not warping the space on Autochthons side. I assume. Even if she did, what makes you think that Essence has physical dimensions? It's probably completely irrelevant how large the cradle is when it comes to Essence transfer.

I'm still more interested in finding out whether the Cradle is stationary relative to the Earth's core or something else.
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Essence isn't coming through the Cradle, exactly. Anything that moves through that point in space becomes charged, they don't have to move through the portal to Autocthon.

Basically Auto is limited in venting to how much matter is on the other side, it seems.

Amberion said:
the portal is a 0 dimensional point in space. It literally can't send matter through. The essence is flowing through and infusing matter that is already present near the crater.
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Yep.

Oh, oh, OH WOW.

Uh.

Missy bends the cradle larger...and then she bends space to 'lower it' so it touches the water.
 
Widening the Cradle might not work but compressing space so we can pass more material through could speed up making Essence active materialsvfor crafting.
 
Amberion said:
the portal is a 0 dimensional point in space. It literally can't send matter through. The essence is flowing through and infusing matter that is already present near the crater.
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Out of curiosity where does this statement come from. I do not remember seeing Gromweld mention it, and the fact that Taylor and Marrow both came from the other side (unless you are saying that Autochthon created them on this of the cradle or that they were teleported from one side to the other, which shows that matter can be teleported from one side to the other) says to me that matter can pass through it.
 
I believe it was when we went to check out the cradle for the second time. Something about how there was far less essence saturation than an essence matter stream would have given, so it must charge the particles that pass through the cradle
 
The problem I have is the claim that it is zero dimensional, if it was exactly a point there shouldn't be any essence satuation (or it would be so low that it is not in anyway detectable since particles would almost never pass through that exact point, so it should ocupy at least a small volume). All the statement says is that it can prevent matter from passing through it not that it is incapable of allowing matter to pass through (whether by a process or not, it would be intresting to see what happens if essence based material passed through the point again), I have seen no reference to size except that a human sized object can pass from Autochthon to Bet and a soul gem sized object can pass from Bet to Autochthon (which can be due to it being made wider).
 
I think part of the reason for the exorbitant cost of sending Alchemicals over is that Auto has to temporarily stretch the Cradle from a point-source into an actual portal.
 
andres said:
I think part of the reason for the exorbitant cost of sending Alchemicals over is that Auto has to temporarily stretch the Cradle from a point-source into an actual portal.
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Please tell me where there is evidence that it is a point and not a very small volume.

Or at least provide some reason for my previous posts to be incorrect assumptions
 
Gromweld said:
"Cradle status ascertained. Confirmed as point in space only visible through essence sight. Hypothesis: Behemoth unable to locate or destroy cradle due to essence incompatibility with Nowhere universe physical laws."
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Now, it is possible clarity!Taylor was using inexact terminology, but I don't think it is likely.

Zero-dimensional point in space stretched million times larger still has a wideness of zero.

Amount of essence that can flow through a point in space is about equal to the number of angels that can dance on that same point.

Counting the particles that "go through" doesn't seem sensible.
Nowhere matter, at that scale, doesn't even have a position unless observed.
 
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modrony said:
Now, it is possible clarity!Taylor was using inexact terminology, but I don't think it is likely.

Zero-dimensional point in space stretched million times larger still has a wideness of zero.
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I would not read that quote as meaning a mathematical point, but rather as the common meaning of, "a small location".
 
modrony said:
Now, it is possible clarity!Taylor was using inexact terminology, but I don't think it is likely.

Zero-dimensional point in space stretched million times larger still has a wideness of zero.

Amount of essence that can flow through a point in space is about equal to the number of angels that can dance on that same point.

Counting the particles that "go through" doesn't seem sensible.
Nowhere matter, at that scale, doesn't even have a position unless observed.
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Thank you for actually giving a quote, now it isn't described as zero dimensional but now actual evidence and treating in like a point may actually be correct however I would read it as a small location

Modrony, I hate to break this to you but something has position whether or not is is observed, it just doesn't matter if it isn't observed and can be treated by a model as though it has discrete position. This however is a personal disagreement between me and various physicists

I do not see how any more than one or two particles an hour could pass through such a point (not going to calculate), unless there were simply a lot of particles or they were highly enegetic or of both high volume and density. However it is perfectly acceptable to treat it narritivly as such

How exactly can a zero-dimensional object be stretched, that would require for a dimension to be created to be strecthed.
 
Here is a better quote.
Gromweld said:
Your eyes, somehow, have focused on what can only be a one-dimensional object: a point in space, sparking lightly under your augmented vision as it slowly leaks a trickle of essence into the surrounding air.
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Modrony, I hate to break this to you but something has position whether or not is is observed, it just doesn't matter if it isn't observed and can be treated by a model as though it has discrete position. This however is a personal disagreement between me and various physicists
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I go by many-worlds interpretation myself, normally.
Only that doesn't work as well for Worm, as the narrative claims Entities restricted/destroyed the nearby worlds; so I go by nearest facsimile i.e. observation causes position.
 
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modrony said:
Here is a better quote.
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Thank you for disproving that it is a zero dimensional point, this is something that can be expanded (well lengthened), though moving it into two dimensions would still require making it into a two dimensional object (a workable portal for a three, or more, dimensional object), however there is more to work with. There is also more paths that a particle can take that will interact with it (varying on length)
Edit: may be a bit too sleepy to notice if I am actually being overly, whats the term, snippy?
 
It's essence-physics. A point can be one-dimensional! :D
Or maybe the dimension is perpendicular to our dimensions, making it look like a point?
 
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