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Alchemical Solutions [Worm/Exalted] Thread 14: Newborn Number Needs Nurturing, Nine Newcomers Near

andres said:
One dimensional object is a point source, as in it has no dimensions only a location.


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One dimensional object means that it can have a length, it can't have width or depth but it can have length, in fact it must have have length (or equivalent first dimension) for it to be one dimensional.

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modrony said:
It's essence-physics. A point can be one-dimensional! :D
Or maybe the dimension is perpendicular to our dimensions, making it look like a point?
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That is actually perfectly fine, it is treated as a point from perpendicular directions as you mentioned however I was complaining about the use of zero dimensional, (the same applys to two, three, four etc dimensional objects as long as they have only countable (that is to say there can be an infinite number of points, but they can all be found at catorgatised) points on a chosen plane (likely valid), however they still have there dimensions, this is at least how I understand points). hm, I wonder if she was saying it was one dimensional in the sense of only having length, or perhaps if the one dimension was actually the connection line between Autochthon and Bet, if it is the connection line and she can see it that would be useful
 
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sorry i used inexact terminology. i always meant 1 dimensional. I meant it has 0 width, 0 height, 0 depth because it exists in only one dimension.
 
andres said:
I think part of the reason for the exorbitant cost of sending Alchemicals over is that Auto has to temporarily stretch the Cradle from a point-source into an actual portal.
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I think it's mostly just that creating Alchemicals is exorbitantly expensive in the first place. Even more so if our current operation isn't actually backed by any the the Autochthonian nations.
 
Making an alchemical is the kind of thing that takes up a significant fraction of a nations GDP and puts them in debt for decades, and that is when they already have all the equipment and reduce costs by making them in small groups.
 
cyberswordsmen said:
Making an alchemical is the kind of thing that takes up a significant fraction of a nations GDP and puts them in debt for decades, and that is when they already have all the equipment and reduce costs by making them in small groups.
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Yeah, you don't just make an Alchemical, it takes time and resources to do, something that most don't have.

modrony said:
It's essence-physics. A point can be one-dimensional! :D
Or maybe the dimension is perpendicular to our dimensions, making it look like a point?
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Damn Essence Physics
 
ManusDomine said:
Yeah, you don't just make an Alchemical, it takes time and resources to do, something that most don't have.
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Not to mention it is designed so that it has to be done by a team of mortals that have been blessed with the ability to channel Autobots power through themselves for this kind of thing, a giant vat complex which is on the same level of power and complexiy as an essence 8+ charm because in many cases they are literally an essence 8+ charm for city sized alchemical. Also the materials needed to make them don't exist on earth bet at all.

We don't have the tools, materials or the right power and even if we did not being able to make more alchemicals or be upgraded by them is a deliberate limitation put into Alchemical exalted. You need voidtech to bypass that and that path leads to bad ends.
 
RadiantPhoenix said:
I think they have some sort of internal self-modification stuff, but it's been a while since I read the book thoroughly.
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I don't think it says anything, except that city-level Alchemical charms are buildings and they are made as such, although they can make a body that is a presumably equal to a human sized or colossus sized Alchemical (and would expect that they would follow most of the standard rules). I would guess they wouldn't necessarily need to commit motes (due to the charms being large enough to say have their own essence capacitors or equivalent) for all their charms, of course for some they would probably need to (using the detail that a colossus does not have to commit motes for some charms that human sized ones need to)
 
cyberswordsmen said:
Not to mention it is designed so that it has to be done by a team of mortals that have been blessed with the ability to channel Autobots power through themselves for this kind of thing, a giant vat complex which is on the same level of power and complexiy as an essence 8+ charm because in many cases they are literally an essence 8+ charm for city sized alchemical. Also the materials needed to make them don't exist on earth bet at all.

We don't have the tools, materials or the right power and even if we did not being able to make more alchemicals or be upgraded by them is a deliberate limitation put into Alchemical exalted. You need voidtech to bypass that and that path leads to bad ends.
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Point of Order:
The first Alchemicals were built before Essence 8 charms and elder Alchemical cities were a thing.
So there are obviously ways to get around that requirement, especially since the 2nd Fetich of Auto-kun is around somewhere.

The rest of your points still stand though.
 
uju32 said:
Point of Order:
The first Alchemicals were built before Essence 8 charms and elder Alchemical cities were a thing.
So there are obviously ways to get around that requirement, especially since the 2nd Fetich of Auto-kun is around somewhere.

The rest of your points still stand though.
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Probably created by the Divine Ministers or Auto-kun directly.
 
uju32 said:
Point of Order:
The first Alchemicals were built before Essence 8 charms and elder Alchemical cities were a thing.
So there are obviously ways to get around that requirement, especially since the 2nd Fetich of Auto-kun is around somewhere.

The rest of your points still stand though.
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The first 8 where made by Autobot personally, and the ones between then and the first cities were made by massive manses. I did say that they required complexes on the "same scale of power and complexity as a elder essence alchemical charm" because of those exceptions. Modern ones are done using the elder infrastructure charms.
 
fair cop.

but the question remains. does the girl have sufficient bullshit?

I wouldn't be surprised if she could replicate charms she had seen before. making new ones is almost certainly beyond her unless we can munchkin up a solution.
 
S1lverhair said:
fair cop.

but the question remains. does the girl have sufficient bullshit?

I wouldn't be surprised if she could replicate charms she had seen before. making new ones is almost certainly beyond her unless we can munchkin up a solution.
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That solution is called "Iris helping," I believe. Alternatively, "Autochthon helping," though that can be more readily put into game terms as "Exalting Panacea."
 
Exalting Panacea could probably solve any number of our current problems since it would make her already super bullshit powers even more superduper extra bullshit. The problem I see with trying to is that, at least currently, she doesn't really have the willpower that's apparently required for it.
 
Romv said:
Exalting Panacea could probably solve any number of our current problems since it would make her already super bullshit powers even more superduper extra bullshit. The problem I see with trying to is that, at least currently, she doesn't really have the willpower that's apparently required for it.
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Unless you count holding to her rules and not brainwashing her sister into loving her every time they hug as willpower. Then she has bunches.
 
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