Age of Ice and Blood: A Pathfinder System Heroic Fantasy Quest

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DP specified plan voting as usual for end-of-arc votes, so probably should be in this form:

[] Plan Warlord Magician
-[] You have battled beasts and spirits, you have walked the realms of the tinker fey and faces formless spirits upon the back of their great kin, though you are no wizard you are more than a knight (Lose Martial Training feat in exchange for retraining two level of Cavalier as Warlord)
--...retraining
-[] Zaia has studied the tomes of the assasin you slew and found them filled with accounts of powers and decoctions that he might know use for his own (Level Up)
--...level up
That's the plan. :wink2:

Ha, I made a punny! What I posted so far is just a placeholder. I'll make it into a full plan once I have a level up plan for Zaia and retraining plan for Roland to add to it later.
 
This is not what I expected.
Zaia is stuck at the same level for more than a year. It was said that all Zaia need for level up is some time, and now it demands a huge chunk of XP?
Wanderer was "pretty close" to leveling at the beginning of arc 10, but at the end of arc 13 he was 1000 XP from level 3 (despite in only needs 2000 XP to level up from level 2 to level 3, if I am not misteken), and now, after participating in the battle with CR7 monster, he is still 1000 XP from level 3?
I seriously can not understand what is happening with XP...
 
This is not what I expected.
Zaia is stuck at the same level for more than a year. It was said that all Zaia need for level up is some time, and now it demands a huge chunk of XP?
Wanderer was "pretty close" to leveling at the beginning of arc 10, but at the end of arc 13 he was 1000 XP from level 3 (despite in only needs 2000 XP to level up from level 2 to level 3, if I am not misteken), and now, after participating in the battle with CR7 monster, he is still 1000 XP from level 3?
I seriously can not understand what is happening with XP...

Fair point, Zaia has now been reduced to 500 XP yo level. Wanderer's 1000 are because did not really do that much in the fights. I mean sure she got a hit in from time to time, but he did not have center stage and for parts of the arc he was not there like among the fey.
 
That's nice, thanks @Arhin for tracking that!

So then probably Roland, Zaia and Swift Pebble, as while Wanderer is a nice dude, he is one fighter among many, whereas Swift Pebble is our only proper Rogue and is only level 1, she needs a level up more and we need her level up more.
 
And I do not want to loose Cavalier levels. It means worsing our social skills, worsing our challenge bonus, loosing one day use of challenge, probably loosing Mounted combat...
No, no, no.
 
And I do not want to loose Cavalier levels. It means worsing our social skills, worsing our challenge bonus, loosing one day use of challenge, probably loosing Mounted combat...
No, no, no.

In fairness, our diplomacy would actually improve significantly due to the Bannerman archetype. We will lose some Challenge power, but that's just a combat thing and I prefer manoeuvres and presences (Encouraging Roar is really good). And we won't lose mounted combat- though we will lose Expert Trainer (meh), Bodyguard, +1 from Courtly Knight (more than replaced by Bannerman), and gain various Warlord things. (Bannerman means no free feat).

Our saves would worsen slightly until we can get everything retrained though.

My only point of worry though is our lacking our favoured class bonus. It's small, but it's there and human improves it. Could we retrain our favoured class?
 
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My only point of worry though is our lacking our favoured class bonus. It's small, but it's there and human improves it. Could we retrain our favoured class?
And this is also why I do not want to retrain at all.
Whole process of retraining seems alien to me. I am used to one character with his advanteges and disadvantages, and then suddenly he forgets his skills and become someone else (at least mechanically).
 
Man, just what the heck is going through Ansefu's mind right now?

Ohun is going to be overjoyed that Ansefu's alive but I'm concerned on what Ansefu's reaction is going to be to the current state of affairs in Apuku, or the fact that he's tecnically not king anymore.

Geez, I hope there won't be a power struggle in the future between Lina and Ansefu. I want no part in that.
 
Well, we can take the same out of combat skills. Combat wise though….
……well… yes?
Cavalier doesn't give us, Roland, many levers in combat or out of it. Swapping a bunch of decent passives and one good active for a lot of good actives sounds really good.
As it is, Roland's plan in 80% of fights is just to use Roar, then Challenge, and hit things. We can still do that as a Warlord, we'll just have a lot of different tricks to do as well- or maybe just more passives if we want.
 
Ohun is going to be overjoyed that Ansefu's alive but I'm concerned on what Ansefu's reaction is going to be to the current state of affairs in Apuku, or the fact that he's tecnically not king anymore.

Geez, I hope there won't be a power struggle in the future between Lina and Ansefu. I want no part in that.
Lina did not intended to depose Ansefu.
As by brother shall be returned to the throne of our gonefathers so I shall be beside him and his sons and their sons after them to advise in matter of spirits and be sure that your voice is never silenced by the clenched fist of a conqueror. This I vow to try to be best of my powers.
I agree that there will be many troubles on Lirman, but I hope not on that angle.
 
And this is also why I do not want to retrain at all.
Whole process of retraining seems alien to me. I am used to one character with his advanteges and disadvantages, and then suddenly he forgets his skills and become someone else (at least mechanically).
Don't think of it as retraining so much as upgrading. Warlord (Bannerman) is more like Cavalier 2.0. It loses some stuff, but gains more in the exchange, and builds on the same things Cavaliers already do.

Roland's social skills won't suffer for it, either. They'll actually increase.
 
Man, just what the heck is going through Ansefu's mind right now?

Ohun is going to be overjoyed that Ansefu's alive but I'm concerned on what Ansefu's reaction is going to be to the current state of affairs in Apuku, or the fact that he's tecnically not king anymore.

Geez, I hope there won't be a power struggle in the future between Lina and Ansefu. I want no part in that.
As Arhin mentioned, it should not come to that. Though if things will get hot, it might actually get us in an advantageous position.

Earlier when I was thinking about possible rewards for Ansefu from Lina, I actually missed the most important one, sharing info on the coming darkness, which Lina knows something about:
I am not without my own allies here, not without my own means to build something greater and weather the darkness that is to come of which what you faced in Korman is only the shadow's shadow."
We should talk to her and if possible get to know what she knows, as the info is the most precious resource of all, we need any knowledge about the daemon and dragon and other global plots. We can share some of our more specific info to induce her to share hers, if saving Ansefu won't be enough for that, though I hope that it would be, as enabling us to oppose the darkness better directly helps her stated goal of weathering it, we will be directly opposing the darkness because we plan to and we have to.

And with us building rapport with her as fellow opposers of the darkness, if things will begin heating up again on Lirman with her disagreements about her future with Ansefu flaring up again we can offer to her to travel with us to oppose this darkness she speaks about guarding Lirman from together.

In that case, if her position will start to become less stable, we can propose to her something like this:

-We will oppose the coming darkness [here we can disclose, if needed, how we'll have to because daemons want a piece of us and how we have a divination that one who means ill the world entire also mean ill as and our ship, and how we suspect it might be this dragon aiming to bring back the dragon age], in fact, our most probably plan after returning to Orinilu is to travel to Inaurna to directly oppose the daemons there.
-Why not travel with us and oppose the darkness you mentioned, safeguarding the future of Lirman and its people all the better, grow in knowing, wisdom and might, and return later to Lirman as an undisputably deserving and powerful hero? We are against the same and we have nothing we both might want between us, we are natural allies in this.

It's would probably be a long shot (thought it might not depending on how bad her position will be), but we are not losing anything by trying and we might recruit a 4th level companion.
 
[X] You have battled beasts and spirits, you have walked the realms of the tinker fey and faces formless spirits upon the back of their great kin, though you are no wizard you are more than a knight (Lose Martial Training feat in exchange for retraining two level of Cavalier as Warder)

[X] Zaia has studied the tomes of the assasin you slew and found them filled with accounts of powers and decoctions that he might know use for his own (Level Up)

[X] Swift Pebble's daring has been rewarded by skill in subterfuge and stealth (Level Up)


I vastly prefer Swift Pebble leveling up and no longer being a fragile lvl 1 PC.
 
[X] You have battled beasts and spirits, you have walked the realms of the tinker fey and faces formless spirits upon the back of their great kin, though you are no wizard you are more than a knight (Lose Martial Training feat in exchange for retraining two level of Cavalier as Warder)

[X] Zaia has studied the tomes of the assasin you slew and found them filled with accounts of powers and decoctions that he might know use for his own (Level Up)

[X] Swift Pebble's daring has been rewarded by skill in subterfuge and stealth (Level Up)


I vastly prefer Swift Pebble leveling up and no longer being a fragile lvl 1 PC.
Hmm, that does make sense and would help to alleviate some of my worries for her. Wanderer leveling up would be great, but it's not a huge upgrade for him at this time and wouldn't improve his survivability significantly. Swift Pebble is only 1st level, however, and her HP is very low as a result. While getting to 2nd level won't fix that, it sure will help.
 
I would like to level up this century though.
A better solution is to it have the otter fight the same opponents we fight in hand to hand combat, I think.
 
If anyone wants to vote for Wanderer to level up rather than Swift Pebble, here's a level up plan for him to use.

[] Wanderer Level Up
-[] Class: +1 Barbarian
-[] Skills (3 points): +1 Knowledge (Nature), +1 Perception, +1 Survival
-[] Feat: Weapon Focus (Greatclub)
 
Here's what I've got for level ups or retraining.

Explosive Bomb seems like a good upgrade for Zaia. He won't always need to use the larger explosions, but having the option to do so if the situation calls for it could be very helpful. Zaia has already got quite a few good 2nd level extracts in his formulae book, along with those from Shadow's formulae book he can decipher now that he's going to 4th level. Something we've been lacking is a way to heal ability damage from disease, poison, magic, etc., which makes Lesser Restoration a very good extract for Zaia to learn this level up. It also fits his character well, IMO, considering that he's been a healer since long before we left Earth.

Nothing exciting to pick for Swift Pebble. Her bonus feat was already determined by her archetype and there are no other choices for her this level up beyond skill point allocation. She gets 10 points and has 10 skills already, so just +1'ing all of them is the way to go, IMO. That's not to say this isn't a good level up for her, as she gets Evasion and the extra HP are sorely needed to make her less fragile. Doesn't hurt that her ridiculously high Stealth bonus continues to creep up, too.

I know it looks like there is a lot going on with Roland's retraining, but there really isn't as much as it might seem. Warlord and Cavalier share the same number of skill points per level, so the only thing changing there is that we swore to Wanderer that we would put some effort into learning more about the supernatural at the earliest opportunity; losing a point of Survival to gain one in Knowledge (Arcana) doesn't hurt us at all, as Survival isn't something we've ever used and aren't likely to do so much in the future.

Although it looks like Roland loses a +1 bonus to his social skills due to dropping below 4 levels of Cavalier, he's also gaining the Bannerman's Diplomatic Presence ability, which gives him a +4 bonus to those same social skills. That works out quite well for Roland.

The only thing worth mentioning that Roland truly loses in this exchange is that his Challenge damage decreases from +4 to +2. To make up for that, he gains the ability to use several stances and maneuvers that either increase his damage and combat prowess or directly aid his allies. Take a look at those Golden Lion maneuvers; Hunting Party, Pride Movement, and Tactical Strike can all be used on nearby allies in one way or another, including Silver. They're great to use when fighting anywhere allies are nearby, but if he's fighting from the saddle while riding Silver, they become incredibly deadly and mobile. For example, he could use Pride Movement as a Swift Action to give Silver a free Move Action, allowing him to move up to 50 feet for free. That's not quite battlefield teleportation, but it's the next best thing we can get in this setting. Using Hunting Party would give Silver a free attack against an enemy, probably the same one Roland hit to initiate the maneuver, and Silver hits like a truck. Tactical Strike only grants 10 feet of movement if Roland applies it to Silver, but that's movement without provoking Attacks of Opportunity, meaning they could be surrounded by enemies and Silver could burst through them like shining equine Jesus without even being subject to any extra attacks.

/end dissertation 🤓

[X] Arc Fourteen Conclusion: Goldfish Edition (Level Up/Retraining plans found HERE)
-[X] You have battled beasts and spirits, you have walked the realms of the tinker fey and faces formless spirits upon the back of their great kin, though you are no wizard you are more than a knight (Lose Martial Training feat in exchange for retraining two level of Cavalier as Warlord)
-[X] Zaia has studied the tomes of the assasin you slew and found them filled with accounts of powers and decoctions that he might know use for his own (Level Up)
-[X] Swift Pebble's daring has been rewarded by skill in subterfuge and stealth (Level Up)

[] Swift Pebble Level Up
-[] Class: Rogue
-[] Skills (10 points): +1 Acrobatics, +1 Climb, +1 Disable Device, +1 Escape Artist, +1 Perception, +1 Profession (Sailor), +1 Sense Motive, +1 Sleight of Hand, +1 Stealth, +1 Swim
-[] Rogue Talent/Bonus Feat: Deft Maneuvers

[] Zaia Level Up
-[] Attribute: +1 Intelligence
-[] Class: +1 Alchemist
-[] Skills (9 points): +1 Craft (Alchemy), +1 Heal, +1 Perception, +1 Profession (Herbalist), +1 Sense Motive, +1 Spellcraft, +3 Knowledge (Arcana)
-[] Alchemist Discovery: Explosive Bombs
-[] New Extract:
--[] 2nd Level: Restoration: Lesser

[] Roland's Warlordification
-[] Class: -2 Cavalier, +2 Warlord (Bannerman)
-[] Skill Retraining: -1 Survival, +1 Knowledge (Arcana)
-[] Bonus Feat: Bodyguard (Rather than Courageous Defense ability)
-[] Warlord's Gambits: Brave Gambit, Unbreakable Gambit
-[] Martial Stances Known:
--[] Golden Lion: Pride Leader's Stance
--[] Iron Tortoise: Stance of the Defending Shell
-[] Martial Maneuvers Known:
--[] Golden Lion: Encouraging Roar, Hunting Party, Pride Movement, Tactical Strike
--[] Iron Tortoise: Iron Shell
--[] Primal Fury: Crushing Blow, Panthera on the Hunt
 
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Wouldn't it be better to keep survival so we can track people by scent?
What do we do with animal handler anyways?
Edit: Oh well. I suppose we have Tom.
 
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You got the prince back. How much gratitude will be owed to you by Ohun and the prince?
Owed? Lots.

What we might actually get? I won't get my hopes up.

Right now I'm just hoping Ansefu is sane and hasn't been mind whammied by Lina's crazy mom.
 
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Wouldn't it be better to keep survival so we can track people by scent?
What do we do with animal handler anyways?
Roland can't track by scent. That's a special ability not common to Humans. Silver, however, does have Scent ability, so he can use make Survival checks for scent-based tracking.

Handle Animal is a niche skill, but still a good one to have for Roland. He can use it to train horses, guard dogs, etc. Since we're going to be helping with a horse breeding program in Orinilu, keeping Handle Animal intact makes sense for now.
 
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[X] Goldfish

Inge and Zaia should analyze Ansefu under the proverbial mis Roa open with their Heal skills. We need to know about any issues in regards to him.
 
Roland can't track by scent. That's a special ability not common to Humans. Silver, however, does have Scent ability, so he can use make Survival checks for scent-based tracking.
Ah, sorry. Wrong Primal Fury Stance.

How do we determine which disciplines we can take manoeuvres from? Just… any of them in the Warlord list?
 
[X] Plan Warlord Magician
-[X] You have battled beasts and spirits, you have walked the realms of the tinker fey and faces formless spirits upon the back of their great kin, though you are no wizard you are more than a knight (Lose Martial Training feat in exchange for retraining two level of Cavalier as Warlord)
--[X] Roland's Warlordification
-[X] Zaia has studied the tomes of the assasin you slew and found them filled with accounts of powers and decoctions that he might know use for his own (Level Up)
--[X] Zaia Level Up
 
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