A true hero... in training (Pokemon Gym Leader's apprentice quest)

[X][Positioning] She knows what she is doing. Each of your pokemon fights against one.

[X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
-[X] Maelstrom, using swift swim from being in the pond would help lauching a pretty powerfull bounce. Once high up, aqua-jet should add up to the momentum AND help with aim.
-[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang on the ones Maelstrom hits!
 
[X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
-[X] Maelstrom, using swift swim from being in the pond would help lauching a pretty powerfull bounce. Once high up, aqua-jet should add up to the momentum AND help with aim.
-[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang on the ones Maelstrom hits!
Is this allowed? We can only give 2 orders, and I THINK this is 2 orders to Maelstrom and 1 order to Fang.
 
[X][Positioning] She knows what she is doing. Each of your pokemon fights against one.

[X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
-[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet, hit the Houndour as much as you can!
-[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang on the ones Maelstrom hits!
"Can we wait until we are not going to die to kill each other?" Asked Alec as one of the Houndour got closer when Lily stopped paying attention. His Gligar using Sand Attack to make him back off for now.
This man speaks sense. Can he get the promotion instead? Or better yet, get a new job?
 
[X][Positioning] She knows what she is doing. Each of your pokemon fights against one.

[X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
-[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet, hit the Houndour as much as you can!
-[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang on the ones Maelstrom hits!
 
[X][Positioning] She knows what she is doing. Each of your pokemon fights against one.

[X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
-[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet, hit the Houndour as much as you can!
-[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang on the ones Maelstrom hits!
 
Is this allowed? We can only give 2 orders, and I THINK this is 2 orders to Maelstrom and 1 order to Fang.

Yes it is (without the 'use thunder fang' part tho) : do not forget, with the "leader of the paxk" trait, Fang can litterally strategize on his own (even if he is no genius yet). So for now, we could give 2 orders to maelstrom and let Fang work on his own, thus having "4 moves" instead of 2 (tho we cannot contro lwhat Fang does in this scenario)

However, I think the votes are pretty much all the same rn, so I doubt modifying one or two would change much for the outcome.
 
You realize you just combined the two different votes, right?
Aah, oops. Thanks, edited. I just combined the positioning orders with the other orders in my head ^^'.

Edit: I will also say that along with the worry I stated in my post, I share the worry that with
-[] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet, hit the Houndour as much as you can!
-[] Fang, use Thunder Fang on the ones Maelstrom hits!

Maelstrom just targets one Houndour, and Fang just targets the same one, and that leaves one Houndour not targeted by anyone. Unless "Houndour" is meant to be a plural here, but that is really unclear, especially to Maelstrom who has no way of knowing what exact number of Houndour(s) we mean. I mean, the positioning order states that each of our pokemon fight one Houndour, so Maelstrom wouldn't assume that he should fight two unless explicitly ordered to, right?
 
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I can see some confusion regarding the situation in combat. Makes sense because right now is a bit of a clusterfuck and I did a bad job at describing the situation. Let's see if I can do something about it...

Right now the battle is not a free-for-all. The battle is divided in different sub-battles. It's something like this:


Houndoom VS Lily


Houndour 1 VS Gligar


Houndour 2
VS Roselia​
Houndour 3


Houndour 4 VS Fang


Houndour 5 VS Maelstrom


These positions are not fixed. If you order Fang to help Maelstrom their battles might fuse for a 2 v 2 or Fang's rival might be free and Maelstrom's battle turns into a 2v1. Your allies and enemies have a mind on their own. Their own strategies and strengths. The enemies are too blinded by rage to make proper tactics but they still have their pack instincts. "Helping" Roselia with Fang for example means sending Fang to Roselia's battle and Roselia swapping positions with Fang, but that means that Fang's Houndour might follow him and turn the battle into a 3v2.

Remember. Battles are not about how much damage you can do or take. Specially if Haru wants to be a leader someday.
 
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[X][Positioning] She knows what she is doing. Each of your pokemon fights against one.

[X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
-[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet on the two Houndours closest to you.
-[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang and help Maelstrom.
 
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Since my edit was left hidden on the last page, I'll post the vote again:

[X][Positioning] She knows what she is doing. Each of your pokemon fights against one.

[X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
-[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet on the two Houndours closest to you.
-[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang and help Maelstrom.


The idea here is to turn our pokemons' fight into a 2v2, which will help Fang take full use of his teamwork boost (and possibly get some advantage with Thunder Fang against the doused opponents).
 
I think we should spend turn one on establishing general strategy (i.e. Mael attacks with water attacks, Fang finishes with Thunder Fang) and then in the second turn, we micro Mael for powerful comos, whule Fang continues on his own.
And i think we have better chances with 2v2 using team attacks than two 1vs1.
 
[X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
-[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet on the two Houndours closest to you.
-[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang and help Maelstrom.
 
[X][Positioning] She knows what she is doing. Each of your pokemon fights against one.

[X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
-[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet on the two Houndours closest to you.
-[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang and help Maelstrom.
 
[X][Positioning] She knows what she is doing. Each of your pokemon fights against one.

[X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
-[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet, hit the Houndour as much as you can!
-[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang on the ones Maelstrom hits!
 
Aaand closing the vote here. I will roll some dice and post the update when I'm done.
Adhoc vote count started by Luxicato on Feb 18, 2019 at 11:50 AM, finished with 37 posts and 21 votes.

  • [X][Positioning] She knows what she is doing. Each of your pokemon fights against one.
    [X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
    -[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet, hit the Houndour as much as you can!
    -[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang on the ones Maelstrom hits!
    [X] Orders :​
    [X][Positioning] Her pokemon is a Grass type. You can't let her fight against two of them. Make one of your pokemon take her place.
    -[X]Fang
    [X][Positioning] She knows what she is doing. Each of your pokemon fights against one.
    -[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet on the two Houndour closest to you.
    -[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang and help Maelstrom.
    [X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
    -[X] Maelstrom, use Aqua Jet on the two Houndours closest to you.
    -[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang and help Maelstrom.
    [X][Orders] Give orders to your pokemon. Remember that you can only give two orders even if you have two pokemon. You can only give orders to one and let the other fight on his own but most pokemon can't strategize.
    -[X] Maelstrom, using swift swim from being in the pond would help lauching a pretty powerfull bounce. Once high up, aqua-jet should add up to the momentum AND help with aim.
    -[X] Fang, use Thunder Fang on the ones Maelstrom hits!
 
The Houndour pack: Battle start


The battle started quickly. Both sides trading blows and trying to keep each other busy. From outside this situation probably looked like chaos, but inside the chaos each combatant had their own pocket of order. Plans were brewed, tested and discarded at lightning speed as the pokemon traded blows. Your two new allies looked sure of themselves, like this was normal for them. They are used to battling. You on the other hand… this is probably your third battle, maybe fourth if that Luxray counts.

But you can't back down.

Alec and his Gligar looked in a good position. His pokemon swept down from his head as soon as the Houndour rushed him. She knew that pokemon was a lot stronger than she was. But she had something he didn't. Strong pincers.

"Come on Pincers. Show that dog who's boss. Quick Attack and Bulldoze!" Her trainer shouted with a smile and pointing at the enemy. She smiled too. That was her favorite combination.

Her glide suddenly increased in speed. The Quick Attack turning her movement into a blinding dash in the Houndour's direction. The pokemon looked confused for a split-second until he saw the Gligar, now on top of him flying straight down. Like a purple lightning bolt of pure power. The Houndour tried to take a step back to dodge her.

Gligar (66) vs Houndour (24)

The Houndour jumped back and saw the Gligar drop in front of him pincers down in slow motion. He thought his opponent failed the attack, but the Gligar was smiling, her pincers bright with brown energy.

As soon as her pincers touched the ground, a wave of power combined with her speed caused the ground to give, creating a crater big enough to almost reach the other combatants. The Houndour was flung upwards by the strength of the move, confusing him as he didn't expect such a powerful move. He landed with a hard hit on the center of the now waist-deep hole. A trickle of water filtering from under the ground slowly filling it. On the edge of the crater stood the Gligar, smiling. When she had no high ground she had to make her own.

[Gligar 1/3 Battle Points. Houndour A 0/3, Slowed.]

…​

Flora the Roselia stood in front of two angry Houndour. That would scare any Grass pokemon, but she trusted her trainer enough to brush aside some of that fear. Like she always said, «The second before the performance begins is the most nerve-wracking moment of the day, but everything fades once the music starts». She was ready to give it all. Even in front of two fire breathing enemies.

"Come on Flora! Let's give them a show!" Her trainer said getting in position. She was ready to use potions or burn heals if something went wrong, but that was only a precaution. She had a plan. "Use our special combination! Sweet Scent and Attract!"

Flora twirled in place happily as the two enemies ran in her direction, jaws open. Her fragrance and beauty were some of the strongest amongst Roselia. She thought it was a waste when she got captured to be a fighting pokemon, but her trainer taught her how to use her skills to best anyone in battle.

A pinkish cloud emerged from her roses as she spun around. A cloud that moved in the approaching Houndour's direction, blocking their view of the little grass pokemon. The fire in their mouths was released and impacted with the cloud, trying to reach the pokemon but instead causing an explosion.

Roselia (98!) vs Houndour B (42) & Houndour C (17)

For a moment the explosion ignited the pink cloud, almost reaching the Roselia behind it, but it only served to make the leftovers of the cloud swirl in a pink tornado. The winds caused by the explosion flinging the scent into the two Houndour. Their noses absorbing the strongest pheromone cocktail they ever felt and, in an instant, their minds clouded with rage had something else in them. They both knew one truth in the deepest part of their heart. That Roselia was their mate. And with only that thought and rage fueling their actions, they started to fight each other for the right of mating with her.

The Roselia and her trainer smiled. A slightly darker smile at seeing their opponents tear each other apart. It would only last as long as they didn't shake off the effects but for now they would gladly enjoy the fight in front of them.

[Roselia 1/3 Battle points. Houndour B&C 0/3, Heavily Infatuated]

…​

Your side of the battle was going okay. Maelstrom had some trouble trying to hold back his enemy. He just wasn't strong enough to fight without moves. Of course that would change shortly. Fang on the other hand was doing a great job at keeping the other Houndour on his place. It was time for some strategy. Maelstrom had troubles but with a combination of your two pokemon… You could do a lot of damage. You remember how Maelstrom's Aqua Jet leaves the enemy wet and how Fang used it to freeze Gligar on your last battle. Time to use it in a different way.

"Maelstrom! Aqua Jet on the Houndour, try to hit them both! Fang, follow up with Thunder Fang!" You shouted and, as you did, your two pokemon started to move almost as one.

Fang got closer to Maelstrom to get ready leaving his Houndour behind so it would follow. Maelstrom then started to focus water energy all around him, a blue aura surrounding his golden body as his Houndour charged. When he was ready, he shot off in his direction, followed closely by electricity filled mouth Fang.

Maelstrom & Fang (89 & 64) vs Houndour D (21)

Maelstrom hit the Houndour square in the face, bouncing back over his companion as Fang used his move. Electricity coursing through the Houndour's wet body as Fang bit him. It was a powerful combination that made the enemy stagger back pretty hurt and unable to even try to counter attack. Maelstrom wanted to hit the other Houndour as he bounced back, but it wasn't close. Where was it?

[Maelstrom 1/3 & Fang 1/3 Battle Points. Houndour D 0/3]

…​

Lily was smiling. She hated to admit it but she loved fighting. She loved a challenge and a chance to show her power to her enemies. Around the Kirlia, water and rocks floated on her psychic hold. It wasn't how others usually used the move, but she liked it this way and it was the only option against a dark type like them if she wanted to use Psychic.

The Houndoom was looking for an opening around her shield, but no fire attack would pierce that combination of water and rocks. She was ready to launch everything to him when from the corner of her eye saw a Houndour approaching quickly. It was one of the weaker ones. He probably ran away from one of the other battles as soon as someone stopped paying attention to him for even a second. Probably Haru's fault, Lily thought to herself.

"Lily, take that one out first!" Violet shouted, surprising the pokemon. Was she actually giving her battle orders? It's been… a long time. Maybe it was the tension of the moment, or she was actually trying to be a trainer again. Doesn't matter. She trusted her.

The Kirlia made a fluid circular motion with her arms before pushing in the Houndour's direction. A violent push that sent all the water like a river coursing through the air. Of course the Houndoom took that chance to launch his attack, Lily's protection now weaker.

Lily (94) vs Houndour E (2…) & Houndoom (59)

The water impacted against the Houndour like a sudden flood, she even left some rocks out of her control so they were dragged by the water. That launched the Houndour back, making him fly through the air. Now waterlogged and hurt. His fire disabled for now. If he were a normal wild pokemon he would be running away now, but his internal fury made him stand up to keep fighting.

On the other hand, Houndoum launched his attack. A breath of red fire. It was a strange color, deep crimson instead of the usual orange and yellow. She tried to block with her rocks, but it wasn't enough. Some of that fire filtered through the cracks in her shield and clung to her body like napalm. It wasn't only a burning sensation. There was something more… Poison. She knew really well the feeling of being hit by her biggest weakness.

It hurt like hell.

She started screaming. A combination of pain and anger. "Stupid dog! Let's see if you like this!" She shouted to no one in particular, her psychic connection unable to enter his mind. But it made her feel better.

She teleported around in rapid succession. Looking for a weak point on the Houndoom defenses, trying to disorient him. When he looked in the wrong direction, she saw her chance. All the rocks floating around her started to pelt the enemy pokemon from all possible directions, exploiting any weak point possible. She punched the air and, with every punch, rocks flew against the exposed sides of the Houndoom. She even stomped on the ground using her Psychic to rise rocks from below him.

Violet looked at her pokemon worried. Maybe her order was a bad decision? Focusing on the small pokemon might've been a bad idea. The Kirlia now had a glob of fire literally clinging to her skin. Burning. She knew about Houndoom fire and how dangerous it was. It was a mixture of fire and fire-proof toxins, burning and infecting anything they touched. She had to treat that as soon as the combat was over. This was all her fault.

[Lily 1/3 Battle Points. Houndour E 0/3, fire disabled. Houndoom 1/3]​



Battles right now:

Gligar VS Houndour A [Huge crater in this zone]

Roselia VS Houndour B & C [Pheromones floating all around here.]

Maelstrom and Fang VS Houndour D

Lily VS Houndour E & Houndoom




[][Orders] Write-in your orders. Remember that you can only give at most two orders or perform two actions (Using items takes your whole turn). Your pokemon will try to fight even without your instructions but Maelstrom will perform poorly.
 
[X][Orders] Maelstrom, Use bounce to dodge the next move and get down empowering it with aqua-jet ! Fang, I trust you to do your best !

We should expose Maelstrom the less possible, he is our ace vs the fire types. Once again, Fang can do right by himself : be it helping maelstrom by a nearly overkill 2v1, or going to finish off the extinguished houndour WE let escape, wich ended up wounding Lily and maybe affecting Violet in a bad way ! Learn from your mistake, people :o
 
[X][Orders] Maelstrom, Use bounce to dodge the next move and get down empowering it with aqua-jet ! Fang, I trust you to do your best !
- [X] Shout encouragement to Violet. "Good call, Violet. One danger doused!"
 
[X][Orders] Maelstrom use Aqua Jet on the Houndour Lily hit! Fang, hit the Houndour you and Maelstrom were fighting with another Thunder Fang!
 
Hmm. I notice that the combat mechanic of "3 bouts, points for successfully buffing self or successfully debuffing/damaging opponent" does pretty poorly in this kind of freeform combat. Keeping ongoing "combat score" (instead of individual pokemon health and status scores) isn't very informative when pokemon can change combats freely.

To add another more specific note, the "3 bouts" system abstracts away Time completely, which kind of screws over the "stall" strategy here. We can never adopt a defensive strategy and play for time, if all combats end at the same time mechanically (without crits).


I can't really figure out any solutions to this problem other than expressing individual pokemon "HP" somehow. It could be just a number 0-10, which can also include narrative negatives, and some debuffs. It's also perfectly fine to assume that "HP" from can drop pretty easily from 10 to 9, but that getting a strong willed mon to drop from 1 to 0 could take a lot more effort.

Tracking buffs and narrative positive effects as a crude estimate multiplier of Pokemon effectiveness (strength), and keeping a list of conditions, should be everything else that is needed for allowing more varied combat in terms of the Time dimension, and changing opponents.

Example:
Houndour D is at 6 HP, with 1x strength, and no conditions.
Houndour E is at 3 HP, with 1x strength, and condition "fire disabled".
A theoretical Machop using Focus Energy could be at 10 HP, 1.5x strength, and condition "focused".

Edit: This is just a suggestion of course, its fine to continue with the system as it is now.


Okay, to the vote!
I think the most important thing here is to make sure that Lily gets a free 1v1 with the Houndoom. If the Houndoom gets to rampage, things could turn ugly, even if we win the matches against the Houndours. Also, the matches against the Houndours are going very well. Thus, re-aggroing Houndour E is priority number 1.

[X][Orders]
-[X] Maelstrom: Defensively keep Houndour D's attention, using AquaJet to dodge and harrass.
-[X] Fang: Thunder Fang on the soaked Houndour E.

This way Thunder Fang does combo damage, and we get to make sure that no Houndours distract Lily. Maelstrom will probably take some beating, but that's worth it and might even allow Fang to finish off Houndour E.
 
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[X][Orders]
-[X] Maelstrom: Defensively keep Houndour D's attention, using AquaJet to dodge and harrass.
-[X] Fang: Thunder Fang on the soaked Houndour E.
 
To add another more specific note, the "3 bouts" system abstracts away Time completely, which kind of screws over the "stall" strategy here. .

to be honest the stall strategy is just ... ugh to me. It sure is viable in the game, but narratively it would be sooo boring. "you wait, it hits you, you take few damages, then heal from it. yay ..." . Well, I am probably biased by this cancerous for the game strategy tho, niot gonna lie. But i'm glad we won't have fights that take a month to resolve just because someone decided to fight with a Chansey or a clefable.
 
to be honest the stall strategy is just ... ugh to me. It sure is viable in the game, but narratively it would be sooo boring. "you wait, it hits you, you take few damages, then heal from it. yay ..." . Well, I am probably biased by this cancerous for the game strategy tho, niot gonna lie. But i'm glad we won't have fights that take a month to resolve just because someone decided to fight with a Chansey or a clefable.

I'd argue there's a time and place for it but yeah it needs the right situation for the narrative. Tanking for a quest is done best when time is the enemy or legitimately the point of the exercise is to simply not lose.

Being the trainer standing the chokepoint as the injured and defeated are behind you, the last bastion of defense while you're waiting for help to arrive after wave after wave of opponents come. The question not being if you'll fall but when and all the same certainty that it cannot be now.

Or a titan standing before you - stalling. You'll win eventually but in time to stop the plot?

Admittedly I'm biased as I've been the tank when the gaming group had lost their collective minds and stopped a tpk.


DPS alchemist enraged the vampire knight and got two shotted.

Fighter in the buff (long story) got level drained back to level 1 and 16hp.

Bard and member's first ever game was at level 1 and 14 hp.

And that's how the cleric with light armor ended up being the tank. Because I had hp above 20 (30+). Loaded up with all my ac boosting spells I still was being hammered and I was running dry on healing options and spells to burn for heals when the other two rolled a 20 for called stake to the heart.

Stalling usually isn't exciting but when it's the only option to not lose and you're rapidly running out of the ability to stall and options it becomes very nerve wracking.
 
Stalling usually isn't exciting but when it's the only option to not lose and you're rapidly running out of the ability to stall and options it becomes very nerve wracking.

True, but I trust our squichy fairy to convey this feeling when it is needed (and I think the important battles are supposed to have more rounds in them anyway). I'm just ... because of my bias mostly ... relieved we won't have to deal with unending fights, be it from us or our enemy.
 
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