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A Simple Transaction I

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[X] Seek Worthy Opponents
[X] Learn to Pilot
[X] Commune with Verschlengorge

I guess I've convinced myself. Honestly, opportunity for learning how to fight with mecha is too good to pass upon. With Hunger, the hardest part of grinding a skill is picking it up, so with this we can do mecha fighting once we get to Human Sphere to keep upgrading. Seek is there so we can get Hunger procs for our Mecha learning, obviously.

Not getting to talk with our companions is sad, but whatcha gonna do?
ReaderOfFate said:
The first is to get Gisena aware of our Curses, the second is to put Letrizia at ease so we can better cooperate. The third is to start setting up our legend here.
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Also, general PSA, spending two points to get option with requirement is roughly equal to three picks, so focusing is way more valuable than taking three unrelated options.
Rihaku said:
You can do this geas quest without ever gaining substantial mech piloting skill, but mech piloting has fairly decent synergy with Accretion and is a good lever for multiplying your power. It's also safer in the short term. Either path is viable.
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I think that piloting the mech is the quickest way to get a ton of combat tho.
 
If Gisena agrees to become our lackey and we maneuver her into become empress does that count as us controlling it for the purposes of our Geas? If so we could use devourer and enough strength to pose as the villan forcing the polities to unite against us while the valiant Gisena champions the cause of overturning our evil?
 
Wolfy said:
Also, general PSA, spending two points to get option with requirement is roughly equal to three picks, so focusing is way more valuable than taking three unrelated options.
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Good to know.

In that case, might as well do some mech piloting.

[X] Plan Your Trip
[X] Seek Worthy Opponents
[X] Learn to Pilot
[X] Commune with Verschlengorge
 
LordOfMurder said:
Oof does that mean that even if we somehow control the three governments we still won't be done because some of the systems are controlled by corporations instead?
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As long as the corporations are under the control of the government to a decent degree, no. You don't have to nationalize them or anything, just have the authority to do so if you wanted and have your orders carried out reasonably well.

Wolfy said:
[X] Seek Worthy Opponents
[X] Learn to Pilot
[X] Commune with Verschlengorge

I guess I've convinced myself. Honestly, opportunity for learning how to fight with mecha is too good to pass upon. With Hunger, the hardest part of grinding a skill is picking it up, so with this we can do mecha fighting once we get to Human Sphere to keep upgrading. Seek is there so we can get Hunger procs for our Mecha learning, obviously.
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A reasonably safe path to power! For yourself, if not for Verschlengorge... but is any path well and truly safe when one seeks danger under the auspice of the Apocryphal Curse?

Wolfy said:
Not getting to talk with our companions is sad, but whatcha gonna do?
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Sometimes needs must.

LordOfMurder said:
If Gisena agrees to become our lackey and we maneuver her into become empress does that count as us controlling it for the purposes of our Geas? If so we could use devourer and enough strength to pose as the villan forcing the polities to unite against us while the valiant Gisena champions the cause of overturning our evil?
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Hm... is Gisena anybody's lackey? But sure, if you control it from behind the scenes or whatever, that still counts as controlling it. The appearance of rule is not irrelevant, but the practicality of rule is paramount. Thus being a puppet emperor would not qualify, but the absolute power behind the throne (if you truly are such) certainly could.
 
If we go with communion is Zea going to be okay with us stealing her mecha? Presumably we'll have to return it at some point unless we murder her or something. If not is piloting going to be useful without a super mecha to drive around in? Or will we just attune to it with accretion and Zea won't be able to do anything about it?
 
LordOfMurder said:
If we go with communion is Zea going to be okay with us stealing her mecha? Presumably we'll have to return it at some point unless we murder her or something. If not is piloting going to be useful without a super mecha to drive around in? Or will we just attune to it with accretion and Zea won't be able to do anything about it?
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I mean... someone's got to pilot it while you're sleeping. Or maybe you can engineer a dual-piloting setup! Plenty of lateral ways around it with the power of Progression!

In fact, the latter could even be a useful project for improving your science skills, since there are actual stakes!

Thomasfoolery said:
I wonder if the Decimator curse is where the affinity is from, it's called a devourer after all.
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Hm...
 
Rihaku said:
A reasonably safe path to power! For yourself, if not for Verschlengorge... but is any path well and truly safe when one seeks danger under the auspice of the Apocryphal Curse?
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Same are safer than others. Being an Emperor is all well and good, but why depend on a Hero to come along and save the day when we could do it ourselves?
Thomasfoolery said:
I wonder if the Decimator curse is where the affinity is from, it's called a devourer after all.
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DECIMATION BEAM
PLUNDERING SLASH
DEVOURING PUNCH
 
Rihaku said:
I mean... someone's got to pilot it while you're sleeping. Or maybe you can engineer a dual-piloting setup! Plenty of lateral ways around it with the power of Progression!
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I meant more when we get out of the voyaging realm eventually and Zea returns to working for her government. Presumably we'll refuse because screw the man and all that so we'd lose access to the mecha. Maybe if we're charming enough along the way she'll mutiny to our side though and it won't be an issue.

If the mecha does have an affinty with us because of the devourer's curse that seems pretty bad? What if it compounds the affects of the curse? Or if we awaken it's power perhaps it has a deleterious aura of it's own?
 
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Thomasfoolery said:
It seems like we can still make deals, it's just they can't be enforced by anything other than our own decision. So if we make an accommodation with the Duchess regarding the mech I don't think we'll be forced to steal it.
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I don't think we can make deals where we aren't in complete control. So we could make a deal to gain ownership of the mech but maybe not a deal to do something in return for being allowed to keep piloting it? The description of the curse does refer to diplomacy as a laughable dream after all. If it was that easy to get around it we wouldn't even need to mitigate it.
 
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I mean, you can always take over an insurgent or terrorist group and eventually work your way to stealing a mecha.

Given how powerful those things appear to be we have to have one at some point.
 
Wolfy said:
I mean, you can always take over an insurgent or terrorist group and eventually work your way to stealing a mecha.

Given how powerful those things appear to be we have to have one at some point.
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... no we don't? We can fight and progress without one and have skills that better transfer to other worlds
 
I suspect building an Legend will be easier without an Mech. People know about mechs and expect them to kick ass but an maimed human warrior with a broken sword? That's far more memorable.
 
LordOfMurder said:
The description of the curse does refer to diplomacy as a laughable dream after all.
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It could be he's wrong about being able to work as a mercenary perhaps, he seems to think it's possible though.

I don't think we need long term control of the mech in any case, simply using it for the next two months will be a great benefit for us.
 
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George said:
... no we don't? We can fight and progress without one and have skills that better transfer to other worlds
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Fighting your way through sci-fi universe is somewhat difficult. Remember how long Seram trained and he'd still get vaporized by a spaceship.

Accretion should take care of being able to take mecha along. Verse should be capable of dimensional travel of his own as well. Beside, turning Gisena into mecha mechanic would be funny.
 
[X] Speak with Gisena I
[X] Speak with Gisena II
[X] The Name of the Curse

[X] Letrizia

By WoG the II options are more effective/efficient that doing two I ones, so I'm gonna double up and then do a solo, what's a nice combo for that. Hmm. Oh HEY, double Gisena goes quite nicely with the Name of the Curse doesn't it?

that said, I REALLY want to avoid seeking out worthy opponents till 1) we have our third artifact, and 2) have done at least one II option for some security.
 
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LordOfMurder said:
I meant more when we get out of the voyaging realm eventually and Zea returns to working for her government. Presumably we'll refuse because screw the man and all that so we'd lose access to the mecha. Maybe if we're charming enough along the way she'll mutiny to our side though and it won't be an issue.
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Well, you did take the +Charisma option! There are certainly ways to manage that, or to delay the return to her employer so that you have more time to work with, such as by doing sidequests...

Thomasfoolery said:
It seems like we can still make deals, it's just they can't be enforced by anything other than our own decision. So if we make an accommodation with the Duchess regarding the mech I don't think we'll be forced to steal it.
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Hm... kind of. Something like working as a mercenary with extreme latitude is usually okay, though the number of employers willing to accept such conditions is of course finite. You can certainly impose deals upon others and enforce them yourself!

The real problems might arise when you get to civilization while carrying around a giant magic sword...

"Will you come quietly, sir?"

"...No."

But it's a great chance to level up with Hunger! At least eventually once they start sending worthy opponents...
 
How strong is the devourer compared to other mechs in the Human Sphere? Is it a super mech or just a run of the mill one? Or are there not very many of them and each one is a custom job?

Thomasfoolery said:
It could be he's wrong about being able to work as a mercenary perhaps, he seems to think it's possible though.

I don't think we need long term control of the mech in any case, simply using it for the next two months will be a great benefit for us.
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If we fight using the mech presumably we'll only level up our mech fighting skills. I mean I guess we'll get a little stronger over two months thanks to slumber and raise our accretion rank some but we won't have any better fighting skills outside of it than before.
 
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Thinking about Gisena, @Rihaku , how does her null powers work in the grand scheme of things?

Does she nullify what she considers supernatural, or what the "universe" considers supernatural? If, say, we go to a universe where the laws of physics are different, would nullify work according to it's laws? Does nullifying work in sufficiently advanced technology?

Thinking about it, an valid tactic for her long term would be to give her a very good gun. Nullify supernatural defences, then just blow up the enemy.
 
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